I was thinking the same thing. It does a lot of nice things, but it wouldn't condone a $129 price tag. At $29 (I like when the 1 jumped away during the keynote), it's worth it. It seems like a very solid upgrade on a lot of fronts.
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I was thinking the same thing. It does a lot of nice things, but it wouldn't condone a $129 price tag. At $29 (I like when the 1 jumped away during the keynote), it's worth it. It seems like a very solid upgrade on a lot of fronts.
Nobody said the 6GB savings is limited to a 64bit only install of Snow Leopard.
The savings come from other areas such as optimization and compression techniques. Perhaps even because they are no longer compiling for PPC systems too that may have muddied the install.
It would be nice if Apple listed the details, but to the end user it doesn't matter. I'll look at it as getting a free 6GB of disk space that I'll find uses for.
Go into your applications folder, and look at the very first application (Address Book). Select "Open Package Contents". You will find that the executable file is 1.1 MB. Danish resources are about 3 MB. Dutch resources are about 3 MB. English resources are about 3 MB. You can guess how that list goes on.
That's why people who think that having 32 and 64 bit and PowerPC and Intel versions takes up lots of space don't actually have a clue. The 1.1 MB executable is PPC 32 bit plus Intel 32 bit. If you add PPC 64 bit and Intel 64 bit and ARM then you still have less than the Danish language resources.
That is where Apple is saving more; all the language resource will be in some compressed format so they are still there if you need them, but take a lot less space.
Code doesn't take much space. If you compare it with graphics, audio and especially video, it takes no space at all.
And that is why I like my Hacintosh. For $100 (and probably less if I really wanted to) I can step into a new video card that does support it.
I do believe you can switch out the videocard on a Mac Pro. Mind you, I've never used one, but I always thought Mac Pros had greater expandability.
Exactly. I bought a Mac because I wanted a stable, solid computing experience, and I now have that. I was tired of the constant fiddling, and dealing with issues, so I went the Mac route and never looked back. It had nothing to do with the fact that I had to download and install free AV...
Yeah, I'm pretty jazzed up about Snow Leopard.
Here's a question though.. I'm honestly trying to figure out why they're charging $29. I was, as many of you were, ready to pay the $130 that I've paid in the past. So what happens in 2 years when they release the next OS? Will the price go up?
I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to figure out their rationale. I'm going to be at the
store day 1 anyway.
It might be to contrast the gigantic egg that AT&T laid yesterday. Just a thought.
Here's a question though.. I'm honestly trying to figure out why they're charging $29. I was, as many of you were, ready to pay the $130 that I've paid in the past. So what happens in 2 years when they release the next OS? Will the price go up?
I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to figure out their rationale. I'm going to be at the
store day 1 anyway. It might be to contrast the gigantic egg that AT&T laid yesterday. Just a thought.
Yeah, I'm pretty jazzed up about Snow Leopard.
Here's a question though.. I'm honestly trying to figure out why they're charging $29. I was, as many of you were, ready to pay the $130 that I've paid in the past. So what happens in 2 years when they release the next OS? Will the price go up?
I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to figure out their rationale. I'm going to be at the
It might be to contrast the gigantic egg that AT&T laid yesterday. Just a thought.
Probably because it's more like an 'extension' to Leopard (doesn't offer many new features), though I think that they also wanted to challenge Microsoft, since both SL and W7 'extensions' in the end, they take advantage of the fact that Microsoft is going to sell Win7 upgrades for a higher price.
Yeah, I'm pretty jazzed up about Snow Leopard.
Here's a question though.. I'm honestly trying to figure out why they're charging $29. I was, as many of you were, ready to pay the $130 that I've paid in the past. So what happens in 2 years when they release the next OS? Will the price go up?
I dunno. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. I'm just trying to figure out their rationale. I'm going to be at the
It might be to contrast the gigantic egg that AT&T laid yesterday. Just a thought.
Okay...not being an a$$ here; but how did AT&T lay an egg?
Of course it will. I can just hear the people whining when 10.7 comes out and it's $129
It's cheaper because it's not a full feature rich release and they realize it'll be a tough sell at $129.
about the opencl which help applications to fully work with dual core, I am wondering if Adobe will release a Photoshop CS4 update after Snow Leopard releases.
As a PowerPC user, I'm still angry...
As a PowerPC user, who's invested $10,000+ in Apple equipment over the last 5-6 years, I'm quite angry, honestly.
$29 is obviously priced to sell for current Leopard users, but NOT FOR ME!
I cannot have these bug fixes and optimizations?
I almost feel like I got ripped off paying $129 for the original Leopard that Snow Leopard FIXES! Yet my Leopard will not get fixed or optimized? Grrrrrrrrr
There's lots of stuff in Snow Leopard that could easily be ported to PowerPC Macs.
Even if Apple sold it at $59 or $79 to upgrade, I'd probably buy it.
Obviously the overwhelming # of Leopard users, probably over 70% are quite happy and giddy over Snow Leopard, as so they should. It's priced appropriately for what it is...
BUG FIXES!
PowerPC users like me are bitter and angry and reconsidering new Apple purchases.
Apple is abandoning 20-25% of its user base.
In the current economic crisis, when people are not buying a lot of computers, that's just a bad marketing concept.
As a PowerPC user, who's invested $10,000+ in Apple equipment over the last 5-6 years, I'm quite angry, honestly.
$29 is obviously priced to sell for current Leopard users, but NOT FOR ME!
I cannot have these bug fixes and optimizations?
I almost feel like I got ripped off paying $129 for the original Leopard that Snow Leopard FIXES! Yet my Leopard will not get fixed or optimized? Grrrrrrrrr
There's lots of stuff in Snow Leopard that could easily be ported to PowerPC Macs.
Even if Apple sold it at $59 or $79 to upgrade, I'd probably buy it.
Obviously the overwhelming # of Leopard users, probably over 70% are quite happy and giddy over Snow Leopard, as so they should. It's priced appropriately for what it is...
BUG FIXES!
PowerPC users like me are bitter and angry and reconsidering new Apple purchases.
Apple is abandoning 20-25% of its user base.
In the current economic crisis, when people are not buying a lot of computers, that's just a bad marketing concept.
PowerPC users like me are bitter and angry and reconsidering new Apple purchases.
You can't have made any new Apple purchases in the last three years, as they haven't been selling PPC Macs.
Most of the Optimizations are for Intel hardware.
As a PowerPC user, who's invested $10,000+ in Apple equipment over the last 5-6 years, I'm quite angry, honestly.
$29 is obviously priced to sell for current Leopard users, but NOT FOR ME!
I cannot have these bug fixes and optimizations?
I almost feel like I got ripped off paying $129 for the original Leopard that Snow Leopard FIXES! Yet my Leopard will not get fixed or optimized? Grrrrrrrrr
There's lots of stuff in Snow Leopard that could easily be ported to PowerPC Macs.
Even if Apple sold it at $59 or $79 to upgrade, I'd probably buy it.
Obviously the overwhelming # of Leopard users, probably over 70% are quite happy and giddy over Snow Leopard, as so they should. It's priced appropriately for what it is...
BUG FIXES!
PowerPC users like me are bitter and angry and reconsidering new Apple purchases.
Apple is abandoning 20-25% of its user base.
In the current economic crisis, when people are not buying a lot of computers, that's just a bad marketing concept.
They had to get rid of PPC support eventually, and the speed improvements etc are mainly for Intel hardware!
Here's something I don't think I've seen in this thread (at 18 pages, sorry if I missed it). I didn't make the "jump" to MS Office 2008. Will Office 2004 show any signs of compatibility with Snow Leopard? I have and use the iWork apps, but my wife still has a need for the MS Office apps for work at home sometimes.
Since it's listed as a PowerPC app, I have my doubts as to if it will run or not. I'm hoping it still does, though.
Since it's listed as a PowerPC app, I have my doubts as to if it will run or not. I'm hoping it still does, though.
I don't have an answer to your question sorry, but you know you can save files in iWork to M$ Office format?
Does anyone know if this thing actually WORKS?
Mac's OS has been so stable now for so long that we forget that in the past when ground-breaking new OS's have come along, there have been all manner of crashing/freezing problems, 3rd party apps not working in the new OS, all kinds of issues.
I'd think with something as complex and new as Snow Leopard, we'll be looking at these kinds of problems galore.
Anyone have any info on that?
Mac's OS has been so stable now for so long that we forget that in the past when ground-breaking new OS's have come along, there have been all manner of crashing/freezing problems, 3rd party apps not working in the new OS, all kinds of issues.
I'd think with something as complex and new as Snow Leopard, we'll be looking at these kinds of problems galore.
Anyone have any info on that?
But you don't speak for all PPC users though. Apple had to make the break sooner or later. Sure, I'm a little bummed that my G5 won't run SL, and that I won't be able to upgrade the OS X Server on my G4, but it had to end sooner or later ... and they still work! When I need to, I'll upgrade to new and shiny!
That's been proven untrue time and time again, well unless you consider optimization as ridding OSX of the PPC code, and obviously that's a bad argument to make your case in the first place.
I really don't see a whole lot here that couldn't be implemented in PowerPC, which is also 64bit btw.
And if PowerPC users don't get Quicktime X, I think I'll even be madder.
At $29, obviously Snow Leopard will be a success and declared so by Steve Jobs because any Intel Mac user would be stupid to not want these BUG FIXES so cheaply.
But that doesn't change the fact that it screws over around 20% of the Mac user base or more. And in a bad economy, that's obviously going to leave a bad taste in some peoples' mouths for a long time to come.
Even if Apple sold some of these PowerPC-compatible updates that are in Snow Leopard for more money, I think that would stop people like me from complaining.
It's the FU attitude of Apple that makes me mad.
For now, I'm holding off many purchases, like most people are on lots of things and Apple keeps reinforcing my decision, both with the iPhone upgrade pricing, the lack of an affordable Mac mid-range priced desktop that has some expandability, and now Snow Leopard.
Sorry, I don't think these are good business strategies in troubled times.
I guess we'll see in a years time.
Anybody else think that iTunes might be getting a big overhaul with 10.6, and that's why we haven't seen it yet?
And I'm hoping Adobe is quick to getting Photoshop CS5 out, preferably taking advantage of Grand Central and OpenCL. To a previous poster, you aren't going to see OpenCL support expanded in a CS4 update. They're completely rewriting PS CS5's code for Cocoa support, so along with SL, they've got a real chance to debloat Photoshop.
And I'm hoping Adobe is quick to getting Photoshop CS5 out, preferably taking advantage of Grand Central and OpenCL. To a previous poster, you aren't going to see OpenCL support expanded in a CS4 update. They're completely rewriting PS CS5's code for Cocoa support, so along with SL, they've got a real chance to debloat Photoshop.
At last a use for those proof of purchase flyers apple have been putting in with the documentation for years. Wonder if they'll just change the $ to a £ for the uk pricing model.
what a sweet deal, $29?!!
Man, I was prepared to pay the usual $129 for Snow Leopard, but $29??? That made me decide to go ahead and buy a new MacBook Pro later this summer, and go stand in line for Snow Leopard at the local Apple Store. you know that's going to tick off Bill Gates and Ballmer, "now they're giving it away, and weeks before we can get Windows 7 out!"
Man, I was prepared to pay the usual $129 for Snow Leopard, but $29??? That made me decide to go ahead and buy a new MacBook Pro later this summer, and go stand in line for Snow Leopard at the local Apple Store. you know that's going to tick off Bill Gates and Ballmer, "now they're giving it away, and weeks before we can get Windows 7 out!"
As a PowerPC user, who's invested $10,000+ in Apple equipment over the last 5-6 years, I'm quite angry, honestly.
$29 is obviously priced to sell for current Leopard users, but NOT FOR ME!
I cannot have these bug fixes and optimizations?
I almost feel like I got ripped off paying $129 for the original Leopard that Snow Leopard FIXES! Yet my Leopard will not get fixed or optimized? Grrrrrrrrr
There's lots of stuff in Snow Leopard that could easily be ported to PowerPC Macs.
Even if Apple sold it at $59 or $79 to upgrade, I'd probably buy it.
Obviously the overwhelming # of Leopard users, probably over 70% are quite happy and giddy over Snow Leopard, as so they should. It's priced appropriately for what it is...
BUG FIXES!
PowerPC users like me are bitter and angry and reconsidering new Apple purchases.
Apple is abandoning 20-25% of its user base.
In the current economic crisis, when people are not buying a lot of computers, that's just a bad marketing concept.
All the bug fixes you'll need are in the latest patch to Leopard. Leopard as it stands now is a solid OS.
Apple phased out PowerPC around late '05 and January '06. I think by now they'd like to push their Intel-based Macs. It's 2009. If your setup works fine, then keep using it. Apple needs to move forward. You don't.