Mac OS X Lion: 'Classic' Mail View Available, New Finder on Video

[Dr McKay]

What a pointless rant. U comment on any corner resize as being copied from windows! Is that all u can come up with?! How is the quick look function in windoze? Oh yes, there isn't one. How about cover flow, expose, spotlight, built in cloud computing, easy networking, app store, FaceTime, time machine, not having to deal with constant pop ups from the os, the bundled iLife suite, the complete lack of viruses ( shall I go on? )

Manipulative? How about having to buy and subscribe to services just to be able to protect the os from viruses, or an operating system that costs five times more to upgrade?

I know it was a pointless hateful rant, but using 'Windoze' really, you're just sinking to his level. You could have a fully logical and reasoned arguement and I'd just take you as a fanboy from seeing that word.

Itd be like me using Crapple and such. Its silly and immature name calling.

 

[jowie]

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Why would anyone want Classic Mail? It's been crying out for an overhaul for ages. I'm just hoping they release it for Snow Leopard eventually... My newest Mac is only Core Duo, so as of June I'm officially obsolete :-(

 

[BillyBobBongo]

I dislike hidden scrollbars very, very much.

I spend many hours arguing about 'The Fold' with my boss when it comes to website design. One of my strongest points has always been that the clear scrollbar on the right makes it easy for the user to see that there's more content. Most people when you observe them do tend to automatically scroll a web page when they land on it, but from a usabilty stand point I'm not sure about these new scrollbars.

 

[Manderby]

All-Corner-Resizing: Photoshop on Mac has this already for some time. Had a lot of accidental resizes and am still not used to it. But I think this is just subjective. I am used to the bottom right corner at this will stick till I'm dead.

But I was hoping that the horizontal scrollbar in Finder would be eliminated. I'ts not too hard to make the content fitting the width of the window, or is it?

Categorizing of files. Err... no thanks.

Scrollbars: It's ok. Will be hard to point with a tablet but it's ok.

Sliding control: I just think it looks wrong. Anti-intuitive. Buttons usually are pressed or unpressed. This is... something inverted but with a button style?

 

[Jim Campbell]

Can anybody confirm that the reversal of scrolling direction is optional?

I work on my Mac as my primary source of income, I won't be installing any update which changes the default behaviour of document scrolling and will force me to re-learn document navigation.

Cheers

Jim

 

[baryon]

Yeah, "Devices" should be at the top, there is no question about that. Devices has all the hard drives and USB drives that you plug in, you really need that all the time. Also, everything that's top level should be at the top, so root directories should NOT be at the bottom. I mean "All My Files" is at the top, which I'm guessing is the new name for "My Mac", and that's as general as you can get.

It should be a downward transition from General to Specific folders.

 

[Orre]

Did you notice the colors, or better yet the lack thereof?

It's just like iTunes: no ****ing colors. I want some colors in my OS. Not all this gray, dull stuff.
Hey Steve, I am sorry you're sick man, and I hope you get better soon. But ****, don't work out your depression on us. Give us back our colors!

Edit: WTF? What is with the censoring? Is this a site for 5 year olds, or what?

I totally agree with you! With the gray menu icons one has to read every line instead of recognizing the icon. Plus it's only depressing and not cool design at all.

 

[ghostlines]

I also don't like the greyed out icons in the sidebar. Somehow I think you can distinguish different folders quicker if they are colored. The new coverflow options are a nice addition. The invisible scrollbars are also cool more screen real estate for us! But like someone else said the little con of this is that you can't tell how deep you're in a a file or folder. But a touch of the magicmouse or trackpad can reveal this.

Lion is looking good so far.

 

[skyhawkmatthew]

Can anybody confirm that the reversal of scrolling direction is optional?

I work on my Mac as my primary source of income, I won't be installing any update which changes the default behaviour of document scrolling and will force me to re-learn document navigation.

Cheers

Jim

Yes, there is an option to disable it at the top of Mouse preferences.

 

[Yamcha]

I actually quite like the new look, although I was hoping to see revamped icons, because they haven't really changed since Leopard 10.5.. The other thing I don't like is where is the support for OpenGL 4.0? Windows has support for both Direct X11 aswell as OpenGL 4.0 so I don't see why OSX Lion hasn't adopted this yet..

Overall though I'm happy with the way things are going so far.. Hope to see some more improvements soon, and I do hope that the wallpaper on final release is better, because this doesn't look that great..

 

[Steve Ballmer]

I kinda like the one corner resizing. It seems better and less easy to accidentally resize a window. Anyone with me on that one? Plus you don't get those ugly double arrowed cursors.

although, maybe it is just because I am used to it.

I hardly find it any easier to resize a window accidentally. You're still require to actually click on the window and resize it, just like before. It's just that now you can do it from any side or corner.

I dislike hidden scrollbars very, very much.



I'm with you.

Then go into Appearance and change the default behavior to "always visible."

I feel like Apple is holding back on the UI. They will probably do something with that old style aluminum interface. Shouldn't we be seeing Marble now that it slipped from Snow Leopard? Or was that scrapped?

People are still talking about Marble? It never existed, period. There was never any new UI coming in Snow Leopard, and there isn't one coming in Lion. Aqua gets changed, refined, revised, etc, but it's not and never will be a "marble" interface (what does that even mean?)

What a pointless rant. U comment on any corner resize as being copied from windows! Is that all u can come up with?! How is the quick look function in windoze? Oh yes, there isn't one. How about cover flow, expose, spotlight, built in cloud computing, easy networking, app store, FaceTime, time machine, not having to deal with constant pop ups from the os, the bundled iLife suite, the complete lack of viruses ( shall I go on? )

Manipulative? How about having to buy and subscribe to services just to be able to protect the os from viruses, or an operating system that costs five times more to upgrade?

This is a horrible, horrible post. First off, it's "Windows," not "Windoze." Secondly, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. "Built-in cloud computing?" Do you even know what cloud computing is and what it does? You speak as if it's something Apple invented and only exists in Mac OS X.

And Windows costs five times as much to upgrade? Did you not pass grade school math? If you're going to respond to an idiotic post, try making sure your comments are actually intelligent, and not full of misinformation and FUD.

Can anybody confirm that the reversal of scrolling direction is optional?

I work on my Mac as my primary source of income, I won't be installing any update which changes the default behaviour of document scrolling and will force me to re-learn document navigation.

Cheers

Jim

The default behavior is iOS-like scrolling, but as long as you have a multi-touch trackpad on your notebook, you can go into Mouse/Trackpad and uncheck the topmost option to revert to traditional scrolling. (I imagine all desktop models have a similar option, too.)

 

[MrSmith]

I'm still waiting for automatic column width resizing in column view. Up to Lion, and that's still a pain in the arse.

 

[vancexxx]

Mail

I was just complaining the other day how i would hate to have to use the new Mail app, because i simply hate threaded mails, Gmail style. I send and receive more than 50 very complex mails each day and i tell you, i cannot do with threaded emails. I need to have each mail in its separate thread.

So, i'm really thankful for the "Classic" option on Lion, i was even thinking about staying with SL just for Mail.

Otherwise, updates are nice, hoping for a slight redesign.

 

[GordonShumway]

Can't believe Finder still doesn't come with tabs.

 

[Steve Ballmer]

I was just complaining the other day how i would hate to have to use the new Mail app, because i simply hate threaded mails, Gmail style. I send and receive more than 50 very complex mails each day and i tell you, i cannot do with threaded emails. I need to have each mail in its separate thread.

So, i'm really thankful for the "Classic" option on Lion, i was even thinking about staying with SL just for Mail.

Otherwise, updates are nice, hoping for a slight redesign.

Classic layout simply repositions the mail messages below the individual e-mail content, just like on Snow Leopard. It doesn't actually change any functionality. Besides, Mail has always let you toggle threads on and off. They're off by default, anyway.

Can't believe Finder still doesn't come with tabs.

I know, it's something I wish would finally be a part of Finder. Oh well, guess I'll have to wait for TotalFinder to get an update.

 

[Jim Campbell]

Yes, there is an option to disable it at the top of Mouse preferences.

The default behavior is iOS-like scrolling, but as long as you have a multi-touch trackpad on your notebook, you can go into Mouse/Trackpad and uncheck the topmost option to revert to traditional scrolling. (I imagine all desktop models have a similar option, too.)

Thanks to both of you -- that had the potential to be a deal-breaker for me, so it's a substantial weight off what passes for my mind!

Cheers

Jim

 

[Cougarcat]

Is the "classic" Finder window style gone? (I'm not sure of its official name.) After all, the capsule-shaped control in the upper right that toggled it before isn't there...

I use that style on all my windows. This could be bad.

It's still there. View-->Hide Toolbar, or opt-cmd-T.

 

[Weepul]

It's still there. View-->Hide Toolbar, or opt-cmd-T.

Thanks for the info.

 

[jadot]

Are we likely to see tabs in Mail?

Developers; does anybody know if we're likely to see tabs in mail? A bit like Thunderbird. It's a killer feature, and saves having to open separate windows when I want to keep a message open.
It would complete the program for me...

 

[roadbloc]

I'm not that impressed I hate to say. Just looks like a new theme rather than new features.

 

[Steve Ballmer]

I'm not that impressed I hate to say. Just looks like a new theme rather than new features.

That's because most of the new features are largely improvements upon what was already there. Versions, for example, is largely a companion to Time Machine. Resume and Auto Save are pretty self-explanatory.

 

[hfletcher]

Grey icons like iTunes? Yuck.. It's like a scene out of 1984.

Colour LCD's exist for a reason

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

That's because most of the new features are largely improvements upon what was already there. Versions, for example, is largely a companion to Time Machine. Resume and Auto Save are pretty self-explanatory.

Since I heard that Lion includes 'Versions', I have always wondered how this works out with these guys: http://versionsapp.com/ ?

 

[Steve Ballmer]

Since I heard that Lion includes 'Versions', I have always wondered how this works out with these guys: http://versionsapp.com/ ?

That's for Subversion, something completely different from Apple's app. Unless you are talking about the similar name.

 

[Detektiv-Pinky]

That's for Subversion, something completely different from Apple's app. Unless you are talking about the similar name.

It still is the same name and application domain: version control software

PS: I hope Apple simply buys their name and does not try to squeeze them out of it...