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Mac OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A432 Designated 'Golden Master'

avidmacuser said:
Isn't one of the stars of the show to use the 64 bit kernel .... and another accompanying 64bit kernel extensions. curious, roughly how many third party software developers use kernel extensions, and therefore how many of those software packages will no longer function partially or completely due to what I understand to be 64 bit requirements of all kexts in order to use the 64 bit kernel. please correct me if I am mistaken but if i understand that correctly if even one kext is 32 bit then the kernel will only function in 32 bit mode compromising one of the main stars of the show?!?

By the way, how is switching of the kernel from 32 to 64 bit and vise-versa accomplished? And will it be a natural user interface option during the boot / restart process or perhaps automatic non verbose where you have to check current system config to know if your kernel is running in which mode. sigh.
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Whoa... take a breather! It's 64-bit kernel and every included app is 64-bit. Finder, iTunes, Mail, Safari, Dashboard, etc. iLife and iWork excluded. But there is 32-bit mode for compatibility, just like Windows 7's XP mode. And there is optional Rosetta, which lets you use Office 08 (yes, I know) which is surprising a Rosetta app still.
 
avidmacuser said:
Isn't one of the stars of the show to use the 64 bit kernel .... and another accompanying 64bit kernel extensions. curious, roughly how many third party software developers use kernel extensions, and therefore how many of those software packages will no longer function partially or completely due to what I understand to be 64 bit requirements of all kexts in order to use the 64 bit kernel. please correct me if I am mistaken but if i understand that correctly if even one kext is 32 bit then the kernel will only function in 32 bit mode compromising one of the main stars of the show?!?

By the way, how is switching of the kernel from 32 to 64 bit and vise-versa accomplished? And will it be a natural user interface option during the boot / restart process or perhaps automatic non verbose where you have to check current system config to know if your kernel is running in which mode. sigh.
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Yes, but not all systems support 64bit. The early Macs with Core Duos do not have a 64bit CPU, so it will only run 32bit. There are some Macs with 64bit cpu but with 32bit chipset that could hinder the ability to run 64bit kernel.

It depends on which kext it is, all the essentials kext must be 64bit in order to boot in 64bit mode, however if it is something that's not important like your printer, scanner, airport possible, it'll still boot with those 32bit kext, just disabled at running them or they can still run as 32bit via emulation. There are apps like fusion and little snitch that can't be emulated and must be recompiled as 64 bit kexts.

The switching used to be by pressing 3 2 on boot up for 32bit and 6 4 for 64bit and modifying the boots.plist could force whichever kernel you want to boot. System Profiler will tell you which mode you're in.

We don't know what Apple has done for the GM build, it could be different in how it's booting for either 32bit or 64bit.


SnowLeopard2008 said:
Whoa... take a breather! It's 64-bit kernel and every included app is 64-bit. Finder, iTunes, Mail, Safari, Dashboard, etc. iLife and iWork excluded. But there is 32-bit mode for compatibility, just like Windows 7's XP mode. And there is optional Rosetta, which lets you use Office 08 (yes, I know) which is surprising a Rosetta app still.
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Office 2008 uses Rosetta for the installer, the applications themselves are not running via Rosetta.

Also Windows 7's XP mode is an virtual machine that's integrated with W7 Professional only, it is nothing like the 32bit mode nor it has to do with anything related to 32/64bit kernel. Snow Leopard has both 32 bit kernel and 64 bit kernel for all Intel Macs with 32bit CPUs and 64bit CPUs.
 
MikhailT said:
Yes, but not all systems support 64bit. The early Macs with Core Duos do not have a 64bit CPU, so it will only run 32bit. There are some Macs with 64bit cpu but with 32bit chipset that could hinder the ability to run 64bit kernel.

It depends on which kext it is, all the essentials kext must be 64bit in order to boot in 64bit mode, however if it is something that's not important like your printer, scanner, airport possible, it'll still boot with those 32bit kext, just disabled at running them or they can still run as 32bit via emulation. There are apps like fusion and little snitch that can't be emulated and must be recompiled as 64 bit kexts.

The switching used to be by pressing 3 2 on boot up for 32bit and 6 4 for 64bit and modifying the boots.plist could force whichever kernel you want to boot. System Profiler will tell you which mode you're in.

We don't know what Apple has done for the GM build, it could be different in how it's booting for either 32bit or 64bit.
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Just to be safe, are the new MBP's chipset 64-bit (like mine in my sig)? I know for a fact that the CPU is 64-bit.
 
davegregoire said:
I have issues in 421 with all adobe products, Billings (some has been resolved in 421) Safari, Fontcase, my HP scanning software, picturesque, and defaultfolderX and in general on 421 the save dialog boxes have been giving me sporadic problems with or without defaultfolder installed with reverting back to the starting folder when I click save instead of where I navigated to save the file.
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Aren't those all 3rd party software? They'll be compatible soon enough..All the primary apps work like they should.
 
thedonga said:
I was eligible for the $9.95 upgrade so I placed my order on June 16th. My visa card shows apple just submitted the charge on August 7th. Read into that as you like, but companies usually don't charge until they are ready to ship
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I've heard from others who apparently had their credit cards be charged for this right away weeks ago, so I don't think this means anything.
 
Anybody parsing the GM for tablet related strings?

Not that I think or want a tablet based on Mac OS/X just that well I don't know what Apple is up to. The right tablet would have a lot of appeal to me but to realize what I want it would have to be more of an iPhone OS derived beast.

Just curious you understand.

Dave
 
MikhailT said:
Office 2008 uses Rosetta for the installer, the applications themselves are not running via Rosetta.

Also Windows 7's XP mode is an virtual machine that's integrated with W7 Professional only, it is nothing like the 32bit mode nor it has to do with anything related to 32/64bit kernel. Snow Leopard has both 32 bit kernel and 64 bit kernel for all Intel Macs with 32bit CPUs and 64bit CPUs.
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Why is the installer Rosetta but not the apps? Surely, the installer is easier to port than the apps? And I was citing XP mode as an example for compatibility, just like SL's Rosetta mode and 32/64-bit modes for compatibility.
 
from a business standpoint, you release it two weeks after the end of the iPod Education Discount period.....they dont want a crapload of people getting free ipods AND $9.99 upgrades in early september
 
dr. shdw said:
Aren't those all 3rd party software? They'll be compatible soon enough..All the primary apps work like they should.
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Yes, All third party. I said in a previous post I was having issues in 421 with quite a few third party apps and then was asked which apps.
 
thedonga said:
I was eligible for the $9.95 upgrade so I placed my order on June 16th. My visa card shows apple just submitted the charge on August 7th. Read into that as you like, but companies usually don't charge until they are ready to ship

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that's 9.95 + 0.70 tax
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I pre-ordered mine on August 2nd and have not been charged yet.
 
Online chat with an Apple rep concerning the error online with 9.95 SL

Just had an online chat and asked why my shopping cart is always empty when I try to take advantage of their $9.95 hardware up-to-date program. If anyone was wondering what they said to me, heres a copy/paste transcription just taken 5 minutes ago....

Apple: Hello!

Me: Hi, I just had a quick question about Snow Leopard. I know its not in your store yet. I qualify for the $9.95 hardware up-to-date deal but whenever I click the link, it says there are no items in my cart

Apple: I am sorry you are having an issue.
It is a known issue.
Please print the form and fax/mail it in.

Me: is that the only way to do it right now?

Apple: Yes this is the only way. I am sorry for any inconvenience

So theres that. Quite inconvenient....I mean, paper? stamps? Who does this anymore?
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Why is the installer Rosetta but not the apps? Surely, the installer is easier to port than the apps? And I was citing XP mode as an example for compatibility, just like SL's Rosetta mode and 32/64-bit modes for compatibility.
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Don't ask me, ask MS. They have done strangest things for no reason.

Yes, but it isn't an accurate comparison to compare W7's XP Mode to 32bit mode since you can actually run XP Mode on top of W7. You can't do that with a 32bit kernel mode. Rosetta is more like it.
 
Icaras said:
Just had an online chat and asked why my shopping cart is always empty when I try to take advantage of their $9.95 hardware up-to-date program. If anyone was wondering what they said to me, heres a copy/paste transcription just taken 5 minutes ago....

Apple: Hello!

Me: Hi, I just had a quick question about Snow Leopard. I know its not in your store yet. I qualify for the $9.95 hardware up-to-date deal but whenever I click the link, it says there are no items in my cart

Apple: I am sorry you are having an issue.
It is a known issue.
Please print the form and fax/mail it in.

Me: is that the only way to do it right now?

Apple: Yes this is the only way. I am sorry for any inconvenience

So theres that. Quite inconvenient....I mean, paper? stamps? Who does this anymore?
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The Amish people! Not everyone is high-tech :eek:

Eidorian said:
Some of us waited for months to get Santa Rosa...
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Sorry, I remember how people were focused on Leopard and not the processor that night. The Apple Store employees were offering to show you new features of Leopard.
 
Versions and bits.

Anybody have a list of versions and bits. That is what is the version numbers of the open source packages supplied and are they built as 32 bit or 64 bit binaries. For example:

Java
Python
Ruby
Curl
Bash
and the list goes on.



Dave
 
wizard said:
Anybody have a list of versions and bits. That is what is the version numbers of the open source packages supplied and are they built as 32 bit or 64 bit binaries. For example:

Java
Python
Ruby
Curl
Bash
and the list goes on.



Dave
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I'd love an answer to this too.
 
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