Mac pro r display, disappointing

[0000757]

If you don't want it and it's collecting dust then I will very happily take it off your hands. Hate for such a beautiful machine to go to waste wouldn't we?

If you did your research, you would have found that Apple made a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter right along side the rMBP for the exact reason of not taking up all the USB ports.

It also never hurts to have a USB hub.

 

[houkouonchi]

One cool thing I noticed about the rMBP- if you have a 3 band router you can get 450 Mbps over wireless. Pretty cool. That is almost half of the gigabit wired speeds (which I also use with the thunderbolt adapter). I just have a few $10 usb hubs on my desk and have no issues with usb connectivity and I plug in a usb 3.0 drive my one usb 3.0 enabled external HDD.

I agreed with quite a bit you said but just No to this.

It can sync @ 450 mbps all it wants but it will not do 450 megabits. I would be *astonished* if you even got 300 megabits which is 1/3rd of gigabit. In the 802.11g days I sync'd at 54 megabits all the time but you could never get above 32 and most routers/cards would not do even over 24 (and that is right next to the darn thing).

 

[DaffyDuck]

What a ridiculously stupid OP. so you spend all that money and do any research.

He also apparently didn't bother to learn the name of the > $2000 product he paid for.

For the OP, FYI this is the Mac Pro:

 

[thejadedmonkey]

1) There most definitely is an advantage over the standard screen at "Best for Retina". The same advantage you get on a retina iPhone or retina iPad. The iPad 3 doesn't let you fit more stuff on screen than the iPad 2, yet the retina display is still valuable.

Greater detail in apps, photos, and most of all text seems like a pretty nice advantage to me. Of course how much of an effect that will have will depend on your vision and preference, that is very different from person to person.

2) It sounds like you got the old USB to Ethernet adapter. Maybe they didn't have it yet at the Apple Store you went to, but Apple released a Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet adapter alongside the RMBP. It's $29 on the online Apple store.

It doesn't block a USB port and it supports full Gigabit speeds. This seems like a much better choice for you.

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Why not?

The USB drives goes in one of the USB ports.

The wireless mouse connects ... wirelessly! The MBP has bluetooth built in, no dongle required.

The Ethernet cable connects via a Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet adapter.

On the RMBP you would still have one Thunderbolt, one USB 3, and one HDMI port left over.

You're looking for a solution that doesn't exist. I don't need a new mouse, the mouse I have right now works just fine. But it's not bluetooth. But I guess I should upgrade to a bluetooth mouse, even though I don't need it, just so I don't have to deal with the 2-USB port limitation.

The fact that you're telling me how to work around a 2-USB port limitation only prooves that a limitation exists.

And a limitation that dumb shouldn't exist on a 2 grand machine.

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

After cracking open the box and spending the past 2 weeks working with the new fully loaded Mac pro with retina display, I have to say I'm really disappointed.

The my main gripe is with the intergration of the screen and OS. Apple have not revised the OS to display to the capabilities of this screen. The more screen realestate you attempt to gain, the more blurred the image becomes, the quicker I get a head-ache. Putting the screen to (best for Renina) provides no advantage over the standard screen. Spending the extra cash makes me feel that Apples marketing team have just cheated me.

My second main problem is with the lack of Ethernet connection. First I didn't realize that the computer did not have this connection port. It still is and has been for the past 10-15 years an industry standard for fast and reliable connectivity to any network. Being a pro labeled computer this should be standard. For my work I require transfer of data that runs into gigs every day. relying on wifi eventually frustrated me to the point of walking out the office and rushing down to the nearest Mac store to spend more money on a device that quite frankly should not be needed.

Then I wanted to transfer data from my network to my portable external drives. Something I've been doing for years. To my rage, I then realized, I only have one remaining USB port. How can I connect 2 drives through a standard USB at the same time and have access to my network. It's not possible.

As a result; I'm now back on my 2008 Mac pro, not having any headaches and transferring data as required. I'm still frustrated with my old computers screen res, and the new pro is collecting dust in the corner of the room, while I determine if I'm going to return it back to apple or spend more money trying to enable the computer to do what is expected of it.

I didnt buy an Air, I bought a Pro, that has the limitations of an Air.

Am I angry, yes. Have I lost trust with Apple, yes. Do I feel cheated, yes most defiantly.

I'm sure some people will feel different about some of my comments and thats ok. I'm logging these concerns as I think people should know the limitations I've experienced with Apples latest flag ship laptop. I've been an Apple user for years. But I'm convinced apple are now a marketing driven company, with little respect for the users who have adopted their tech and the challenges we face on a daily level.

All in its a very disappointing product. This is not innovation, it's misunderstanding what people need. 1 step forward = 3 steps back.

I guess ignorance is not bliss. BTW, why would you buy a laptop and not be prepared to use it on wi-fi? What's the point of the laptop then?

 

[Jiten]

OP, you felt disappointment, rage, cheated? A bit over dramatic don't you think? Next time do at least a few minutes worth of research before buying 2K worth of anything. You are a classic example of having more money then sense.

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

OP, you felt disappointment, rage, cheated? A bit over dramatic don't you think? Next time do at least a few minutes worth of research before buying 2K worth of anything. You are a classic example of having more money then sense.

Don't forget defiantly.

 

[marddin]

#1 OP doesn't even know the name of his new laptop....
#2 Shelled out over $2k before doing ANY research at all

Just as someone said towards the beginning of the thread. Not doing research before buying a laptop is no ones fault but your own...Stop b******* and google lol.

What an idiot....

 

[thekev]

I don't understand the no advantage at best for retina setting. The advantage is 2880x1800 resolution! Sure the icons are the same size, but they are 1024x1024 resolution! As for the ethernet port. That would have made the unit larger, and most people are very happy with the new form factor. They sell a TB adapter which will give you all the bandwidth you need. It is only $29 so it's not a huge expense.

It's kind of a juggling solution overall. There are quite a few people who only own a laptop these days. Many of them do that and just trade up often so that they don't have to deal with later problems such as dead batteries or chargers and Applecare. In some cases this can make sense. I've seen it quite a lot. Anyway juggling ports is annoying either way.

The 2880x1800 thing was a big step up, but it was a bigger step up for macs. 1920x1200 existed on Windows. Unfortunately they've gone to 16:9 so it's 1920x1080. It's mostly an issue of what is readily available. Apple uses 16:9 on the imacs, so they're clearly willing to use it. My point was that in terms of dpi, the step up from available laptops in general was less than the step up if you only examine the macbook pro. If you say it's still the best, well they're okay displays, but they're not significantly better than any other quality laptop display. At their price range, you shouldn't expect a low end display implementation regardless of panel type.

how does it negate how thin and light it is? Do you need ethernet connectivity away from home? Do you need to burn a DVD on the road? I never understand this argument. Just because you need to outwardly connect at home features...doesn't make it any less portable.

If you've stayed in hotels a lot, wifi can be patchy at times. It's a common complaint. You'll even see it if skimming reviews to see if there's anything disastrously wrong with a place. Most rooms do have ethernet available, and it's often much more reliable.

I don't really understand the problem tho. You don't need ethernet at starbucks. Only at home. And you can get Bluetooth mouse and keyboard if you really want to free up the data ports. I have a bluetooth keyboard that I take with me occasionally, when I know I will need it. And I have a Logitech mouse with a tiny dongle that is always plugged in. I never really need to plug more than one HDD in at a time. So it's not really an issue. I am currently using an 11" MBA, which has even less ports and I have never felt restricted.

That's the purpose of a laptop, to show off your computer at a coffee shop. Your problem is that you're examining what affects you and little else. Everyone has their own considerations. I have too many cords. I've had every port populated on a mac pro, and not the one mistakenly referred to by the OP. On the macbook pros, it can be annoying if you have to unplug something to plug in a thumb drive or something of that sort. It's not impossible, but you do have to give some thought to available ports on the machine at times.

I guess ignorance is not bliss. BTW, why would you buy a laptop and not be prepared to use it on wi-fi? What's the point of the laptop then?

I mentioned this in the post already, but wifi isn't always reliable. Note some of the recent macbook air complaints with wifi not working. Ethernet is pretty much solid every time, and it rarely drops out. Whether you've experienced wifi issues is irrelevant. A quick search will show that others have been affected by them.

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

It's kind of a juggling solution overall. There are quite a few people who only own a laptop these days. Many of them do that and just trade up often so that they don't have to deal with later problems such as dead batteries or chargers and Applecare. In some cases this can make sense. I've seen it quite a lot. Anyway juggling ports is annoying either way.

The 2880x1800 thing was a big step up, but it was a bigger step up for macs. 1920x1200 existed on Windows. Unfortunately they've gone to 16:9 so it's 1920x1080. It's mostly an issue of what is readily available. Apple uses 16:9 on the imacs, so they're clearly willing to use it. My point was that in terms of dpi, the step up from available laptops in general was less than the step up if you only examine the macbook pro. If you say it's still the best, well they're okay displays, but they're not significantly better than any other quality laptop display. At their price range, you shouldn't expect a low end display implementation regardless of panel type.



If you've stayed in hotels a lot, wifi can be patchy at times. It's a common complaint. You'll even see it if skimming reviews to see if there's anything disastrously wrong with a place. Most rooms do have ethernet available, and it's often much more reliable.



That's the purpose of a laptop, to show off your computer at a coffee shop. Your problem is that you're examining what affects you and little else. Everyone has their own considerations. I have too many cords. I've had every port populated on a mac pro, and not the one mistakenly referred to by the OP. On the macbook pros, it can be annoying if you have to unplug something to plug in a thumb drive or something of that sort. It's not impossible, but you do have to give some thought to available ports on the machine at times.



I mentioned this in the post already, but wifi isn't always reliable. Note some of the recent macbook air complaints with wifi not working. Ethernet is pretty much solid every time, and it rarely drops out. Whether you've experienced wifi issues is irrelevant. A quick search will show that others have been affected by them.

A quick search will show the tech specs of the rMBP.

 

[Angus9541]

This forum had how many pages on the rumored rMBP loosing the ethernet and OD for the 4 months leading up to the release! Why would douche come here to whinge over it disappearing! Will he come back and whine that his iPhone 5's headphone jack is on the wrong end and that bigger screen has no more apps in the dock than his 4s did

 

[marddin]

this forum had how many pages on the rumored rmbp loosing the ethernet and od for the 4 months leading up to the release! Why would douche come here to whinge over it disappearing! Will he come back when he finds out his iphone 5's headphone jack is on the wrong end and that bigger screen is a waste of time :d

haha

 

[avalys]

The my main gripe is with the intergration of the screen and OS. Apple have not revised the OS to display to the capabilities of this screen. The more screen realestate you attempt to gain, the more blurred the image becomes, the quicker I get a head-ache. Putting the screen to (best for Renina) provides no advantage over the standard screen. Spending the extra cash makes me feel that Apples marketing team have just cheated me.

There is something wrong with your eyes if you do not see the difference between "Best for Retina" and a conventional 1440x900 screen. I mean that literally. Go see an ophthalmologist.

My second main problem is with the lack of Ethernet connection. First I didn't realize that the computer did not have this connection port. It still is and has been for the past 10-15 years an industry standard for fast and reliable connectivity to any network. Being a pro labeled computer this should be standard. For my work I require transfer of data that runs into gigs every day. relying on wifi eventually frustrated me to the point of walking out the office and rushing down to the nearest Mac store to spend more money on a device that quite frankly should not be needed.

So you spent $2,200 without reading any of the news coverage, without, reading a single review, looking at pictures, looking at the specs online, etc.?

Not everyone needs an Ethernet port, even "Pro" users. If you do, you can get the Thunderbolt dongle.

Then I wanted to transfer data from my network to my portable external drives. Something I've been doing for years. To my rage, I then realized, I only have one remaining USB port. How can I connect 2 drives through a standard USB at the same time and have access to my network. It's not possible.

So, once again you failed to any research and did not purchase the Thunderbolt<->Ethernet adapter that Apple released with the rMBP. And have you never heard of a USB hub?

As a result; I'm now back on my 2008 Mac pro, not having any headaches and transferring data as required. I'm still frustrated with my old computers screen res, and the new pro is collecting dust in the corner of the room, while I determine if I'm going to return it back to apple or spend more money trying to enable the computer to do what is expected of it.

I didnt buy an Air, I bought a Pro, that has the limitations of an Air.

If you are such a Pro, and can afford $2,200 on the laptop itself, you can afford an extra $30 for the dongle.

Am I angry, yes. Have I lost trust with Apple, yes. Do I feel cheated, yes most defiantly.

This is the most ridiculous part, of your completely ridiculous post. Apple posts all the specs for the rMBP on the website. They have been in the stores for almost a month, for you to look at and play with. How did Apple "cheat" you and betray your trust by simply shipping you exactly what they advertise?

I'm sure some people will feel different about some of my comments and thats ok. I'm logging these concerns as I think people should know the limitations I've experienced with Apples latest flag ship laptop. I've been an Apple user for years. But I'm convinced apple are now a marketing driven company, with little respect for the users who have adopted their tech and the challenges we face on a daily level.

All in its a very disappointing product. This is not innovation, it's misunderstanding what people need. 1 step forward = 3 steps back.

They are the first company to ship a 2880x1800 display in a laptop, and you call them a marketing company? WTF?

 

[GoreVidal]

how does it negate how thin and light it is? Do you need ethernet connectivity away from home? Do you need to burn a DVD on the road? I never understand this argument. Just because you need to outwardly connect at home features...doesn't make it any less portable.

I move my MBP from home to office where I deal with very high storage capacities. I need to connect to the central server to move GBs of data around a day. if I have to carry around additional weight in the form 2 dongles (GB ethernet and FW800) as well as an additional hard drive to compensate for the capacity I lose in my current MBP, then "thin and light" becomes "thin, but dangling with dongles and a hard drive and not light given the extra accessories i have to travel with."

Maybe you can understand THAT.

 

[tillsbury]

OP, you felt disappointment, rage, cheated? A bit over dramatic don't you think? Next time do at least a few minutes worth of research before buying 2K worth of anything. You are a classic example of having more money then sense.

Not necessarily. He may have less sense than money.

 

[greytmom]

What kind of pro drops over $2000 on a computer and doesn't at least read the specs first? Or buys a laptop and doesn't want to use wifi? Or takes two whole weeks to determine that the machine doesn't have Ethernet and not enough USB ports?

Weird.

 

[Southernboyj]

>Spends $2,000+ dollars on computer.
>Doesn't research anything about it.
>Doesn't even know the name of said product.

>>HMG APPLE CHEATED ME.

 

[Retina MacBook]

You are annoying in many ways. First of all, STOP CALLING THE MACBOOK PRO AS THE MAC PRO. It confuses a lot of people.

Then, do your research. Why on earth would you spend thousands of dollars on a machine you don't even know about?

 

[thekev]

A quick search will show the tech specs of the rMBP.

Your reply conveys very little information. I never suggested that it lacks a spec sheet. I was responding on how some people might feel it falls short as a good solution to their problems because Apple considers them to be in the minority. Part of the minority reason is that if certain features are deal breaking issues, this person may have passed over the idea of a Mac long ago. The dongles aren't that great of a solution for anything. They're quite unreliable, but you don't hear as many complaints because fewer people use them. Even in the case of thunderbolt/mini displayport, I wasn't willing to touch it prior to mini displayport to displayport cable availability as the adapters suck.

 

[gentlefury]

I move my MBP from home to office where I deal with very high storage capacities. I need to connect to the central server to move GBs of data around a day. if I have to carry around additional weight in the form 2 dongles (GB ethernet and FW800) as well as an additional hard drive to compensate for the capacity I lose in my current MBP, then "thin and light" becomes "thin, but dangling with dongles and a hard drive and not light given the extra accessories i have to travel with."

Maybe you can understand THAT.

You do know this cable is about 3 inches long and weighs 1.6 ounces (I know if I don't have the exact figure I will be mocked)? So for both dongles you are at an extra 3.1 oz!!!! OMG! Back breaker! Even if you carry it with you, it is many times lighter than the extra pound the old MBP design gives you. Actually, carrying, the rMBP, a USB Super Drive, and an external drive would STILL weigh less!

BTW, where is the lack of storage? 512GB is a rather large mobile internal drive. For anything serious you should be using external storage anyway.

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Your reply conveys very little information. I never suggested that it lacks a spec sheet. I was responding on how some people might feel it falls short as a good solution to their problems because Apple considers them to be in the minority. Part of the minority reason is that if certain features are deal breaking issues, this person may have passed over the idea of a Mac long ago. The dongles aren't that great of a solution for anything. They're quite unreliable, but you don't hear as many complaints because fewer people use them. Even in the case of thunderbolt/mini displayport, I wasn't willing to touch it prior to mini displayport to displayport cable availability as the adapters suck.

My original comment was directed to the OP, not you. You took it on your behalf, to answer for him. My feeling, as well as many others in this thread, is that the OP should have done better research before buying the product he bought.

Your response, on his behalf, to me, was that if I were to do a quick search, I would find that there are many problems with Lion and connecting to wifi.

My response to you, on my behalf, is that, a quick search of the rMBP tech specs would have shown the OP there is no ethernet port.

I hope that my point is more clearly conveyed to OP, and now to you.

 

[thekev]

My original comment was directed to the OP, not you. You took it on your behalf, to answer for him. My feeling, as well as many others in this thread, is that the OP should have done better research before buying the product he bought.

You're response, on his behalf, to me, was that if I were to do a quick search, I would find that there are many problems with Lion and connecting to wifi.

My response to you, on my behalf, is that, a quick search of the rMBP tech specs would have shown the OP there is no ethernet port.

I hope that my point is more clearly conveyed to OP, and now to you.

Now you sound angry. There's no reason to be angry. I was just saying a lack of readily available stable wifi at times makes me nervous about living without an ethernet port. In terms of the OP, yeah he could have done better research. Personally I consider the max number of devices I might hook up prior to a machine purchase. If it's a desk only kind of setup (which doesn't apply as I've always owned a desktop) I would consider what can be applied via a dock configuration when I'm there for better cord management. I would be very happy if cord clutter was a relic of the past.

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Now you sound angry. There's no reason to be angry. I was just saying a lack of readily available stable wifi at times makes me nervous about living without an ethernet port. In terms of the OP, yeah he could have done better research. Personally I consider the max number of devices I might hook up prior to a machine purchase. If it's a desk only kind of setup (which doesn't apply as I've always owned a desktop) I would consider what can be applied via a dock configuration when I'm there for better cord management. I would be very happy if cord clutter was a relic of the past.

Getting angry in a forum or on the net is silly.

I cut cords a long time ago. I love having an iPad that only has to be plugged in over night every 2-3 days, and a MBP that I can unplug from the the power cord anytime I want and be mobile. Every once in awhile, I will plug in an external HDD for cloning. I also back up to time machine wirelessly.

IMO, having anything more than 2-3 peripherals plugged in, and you might as well buy an iMac. The laptop loses the portability if you're constantly plugging and unplugging. At any rate, I knew what I was buying when I bought it.

 

[JohnDoe98]

There is something wrong with your eyes if you do not see the difference between "Best for Retina" and a conventional 1440x900 screen. I mean that literally. Go see an ophthalmologist.

That's a little extreme. Surely an optometrist would be good enough at this point.

 

[Pipper99]

OP, where are you? There have been a lot of challenges to your post. Don't you want to defend it?