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OP, where are you? There have been a lot of challenges to your post. Don't you want to defend it?
Been sleeping.
It's pretty clear most people on this thread are Mac enthusiasts who cannot stand to see constructive comments about Apples latest and greatest. I do wonder how many people getting aggressive on here actually have the computer in question.
Some comments are clearly insane and get personal to a point where their is no point in attempting to reply. These are serious concerns I have experienced with this new product and I am finding it a less productive machine. Why not share my views?
The OS is not optimized for the screen and the blurred results when wanting to use the higher resolution make the screen redundant when considering the extra costs. Apple have released the product without full support of its own OS. This is not acceptable.
One good point is that I can buy a different cable that keeps my USB ports open for other devices. But other manufactures have found a simple way to connect Ethernet and keep the computer thinner than this pro. This is not rocket science, it's a choice Apple have made to not support the 15 year industry standard network connection. Wifi is too slow when managing high volumes of data. Thunderbolt is not available and will not be available for many years as a standard for networking if ever. I will buy this cable and that will hopefully enable me to use the computer effectively, but it will wait until I visit the apple store again for something else. honestly, for the money this computer cost, this cable should be included and the functionality will be required by most.
I see the pro as a desktop laptop. High end processors, not very portable due to its weight and size. I understand the Air does not have a Ethernet and this is acceptable, it's key feature is portability. I didn't buy a pro to lug it around.
As for my research, I really didn't expect Apple to mess this up so badly. No Ethernet? Really!!! Not optimizing the screen to the full potential when using its own OS! Next they will sell me a computer without a HD.
Lesson learnt, Apple do not understand its user base and what we want. Finding work arounds is not a soloution or forward thinking.
I'll call my computer what I like to call it. It's called ownership.
everyone understood the computer in question. Get over it.Been sleeping.
It's pretty clear most people on this thread are Mac enthusiasts who cannot stand to see constructive comments about Apples latest and greatest. I do wonder how many people getting aggressive on here actually have the computer in question.
Some comments are clearly insane and get personal to a point where their is no point in attempting to reply. These are serious concerns I have experienced with this new product and I am finding it a less productive machine. Why not share my views?
The OS is not optimized for the screen and the blurred results when wanting to use the higher resolution make the screen redundant when considering the extra costs. Apple have released the product without full support of its own OS. This is not acceptable.
One good point is that I can buy a different cable that keeps my USB ports open for other devices. But other manufactures have found a simple way to connect Ethernet and keep the computer thinner than this pro. This is not rocket science, it's a choice Apple have made to not support the 15 year industry standard network connection. Wifi is too slow when managing high volumes of data. Thunderbolt is not available and will not be available for many years as a standard for networking if ever. I will buy this cable and that will hopefully enable me to use the computer effectively, but it will wait until I visit the apple store again for something else. honestly, for the money this computer cost, this cable should be included and the functionality will be required by most.
I see the pro as a desktop laptop. High end processors, not very portable due to its weight and size. I understand the Air does not have a Ethernet and this is acceptable, it's key feature is portability. I didn't buy a pro to lug it around.
As for my research, I really didn't expect Apple to mess this up so badly. No Ethernet? Really!!! Not optimizing the screen to the full potential when using its own OS! Next they will sell me a computer without a HD.
Lesson learnt, Apple do not understand its user base and what we want. Finding work arounds is not a soloution or forward thinking.
I'll call my computer what I like to call it. It's called ownership.
While I understand most of your concerns, the one I do not understand is the resolution issue. You never change resolution...it is ALWAYS 2880x1800. And it does NOT become blurry when scaled.
I've still got a mac pro, although my laptop was updated far more recently. The mac pro is hooked up to an Eizo display. I've got too many peripheral devices
. If I didn't need kind of a full computer when traveling and a few other times when away from my desk, I wouldn't even have a laptop. I'd just have a mac pro and an ipad. The imac can be a good option if you don't run into long term issues. Like the laptops, I'd go for applecare there. They have too many things that can fail especially with the tight thermals. I can deal with a few plugin items. A lot of it is miscellaneous such as backups and thumb drives or a graphics tablet if I have to take it along. I don't do wireless backups (wireless makes me nervous with critical operations). If thunderbolt docking solutions hit the $99 mark, they'd be immensely popular if these all eventually include 2x thunderbolt ports. Anyway I try to avoid extra dongles whenever possible regardless of what they hook up to due to consistently bad past experiences. As an example I would specifically buy a mini displayport to displayport cable as opposed to trying to use a mini displayport to displayport adapter at one end (I went through that recently as I wanted the ability to hook up my laptop to a larger display). Introducing extra intermediate connections is always a clunky solution.
He's a troll, pretty much a guarantee. You can always tell because the first post is filled with irrational statements, then a few posts later they've suddenly become indignant and completely rational while repeating the same lie in the end.
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Wait... After the huge diatribe about what a horrible disappointment this machine is, how it has nearly crippled you in your ability to do your job, and how your lack of attention to what you are spending money on is not your fault, you are keeping it? And buying more stuff to use with it?
<extra ginormous eye roll>
<extra ginormous eye roll>
The best for retina settings scales the OS and provides you the similar result as a standard 1300x900 screen (estimate numbers). If you use the 2 higher res settings the screen blurs to an unacceptable level. These top 2 settings set the screen to enable a better use of screen space, but with the text blurring to a point where everything looks like its in Bold type, its not an acceptable soloution for long periods.
I've had many people look at the screen in these modes, all have found it unacceptable. It is a problem. You cannot take advantage of the retina capabilities because the OS has not been optimized in time for the release.
Actually your statement here is trolling? Your post is irelivent to all comments outlined in the original post. Do you even own a retina pro? My guess is probably not.
Do you normally post with no opinion on the subject in question? Try being more valid with a thought process so others can find either something constructive or weight full in your comment. You don't need to agree with me on my original post, but at least try to keep on subject.
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This sounds like a fan boy!
Don't listen to the trolls and warlocks that plague MacRumors, OP. Your concerns are valid and understandable. Professionals require an ethernet port and well more than two USB ports. Apple should have publicly stated the MBPr is not for serious use and is a beta product.
Been sleeping.
It's pretty clear most people on this thread are Mac enthusiasts who cannot stand to see constructive comments about Apples latest and greatest. I do wonder how many people getting aggressive on here actually have the computer in question.
As for my research, I really didn't expect Apple to mess this up so badly. No Ethernet? Really!!! Not optimizing the screen to the full potential when using its own OS! Next they will sell me a computer without a HD.
Lesson learnt, Apple do not understand its user base and what we want. Finding work arounds is not a soloution or forward thinking.
Just because someone defends Apple in this situation, it does not mean they're a fanboy. It's ridiculous to even suggest that. YOU didn't research the computer. Your concerns are valid, and I won't argue with that. There are certain things that you need from a computer, and the retina MBP apparently doesn't meet your needs...but you're the one that bought it. A few minutes of research on your part and you wouldn't be in the position you're in now.
The retina MBP is a great computer for a lot of people. Just because it isn't right for you doesn't mean that Apple screwed up. You trusted that they would make a product to fit your exact needs. You spent $2000 without doing research. You can be annoyed that the computer doesn't have more USB ports or whatever, but you have no right to feel ripped off by Apple. You should have researched before spending so much money, and you should have returned it immediately if you weren't happy with it. People here aren't saying that the computer is perfect for you; they're saying that it was up to you to find out whether or not it was before you purchased it. You're the one that failed in this situation, not Apple.
The ethernet port whining is silly. Just buy the damn adapter and move on with your life. It's $29. Oh, and unless you're really dumb, you knew before you bought the machine that you would need it to utilize ethernet if you bought the machine. Then you have the stones to whine about it. Gimme a break.
I'm not the one who is clinging to an Apple product that isn't meeting my standards, now, am I?
I'm also not a boy... There's that lack of attention to detail again. That will be $2,000 please.
actually you are quite wrong. When you are using best for retina the OS is 2880x1800 and using icons that are 4x the normal size (1024x1024)...therefore NOTHING blurs. It is all native. Check any comparisons and you will see you are incorrect.
You bought the rMBP without doing your research--I'll give you that one :roll eyes:
But hey, I'm somewhat in the same predicament with the lack of ports issue. I had been debating between the TB-Ethernet adapter or the USB 100Base-T adapter.
I decided to go with the USB-Ethernet adapter due to the fact that I work for a small business and our infrastructure has yet to have transfers rates of 1GigE. Also, when unplugging everything, I can connect the USB-Ethernet to my monitor's USB hub which also houses my office mouse (that stays put) which means I'm only unplugging a single USB from the rMBP. At home, 100Base-T is plenty for what I need.
As far as tied up if using external mouse, I bit the bullet and bought a Logitech bluetooth mouse that stays in my travel bag so then I can still use a USB drive device if ever having to have wired ethernet at the same time. Like the others mentioned, most of the time, you'd be on Wifi when traveling which nixes the Ethernet dongle.
But hey, I'm somewhat in the same predicament with the lack of ports issue. I had been debating between the TB-Ethernet adapter or the USB 100Base-T adapter.
I decided to go with the USB-Ethernet adapter due to the fact that I work for a small business and our infrastructure has yet to have transfers rates of 1GigE. Also, when unplugging everything, I can connect the USB-Ethernet to my monitor's USB hub which also houses my office mouse (that stays put) which means I'm only unplugging a single USB from the rMBP. At home, 100Base-T is plenty for what I need.
As far as tied up if using external mouse, I bit the bullet and bought a Logitech bluetooth mouse that stays in my travel bag so then I can still use a USB drive device if ever having to have wired ethernet at the same time. Like the others mentioned, most of the time, you'd be on Wifi when traveling which nixes the Ethernet dongle.
You have to unplug ethernet from your computer anyway, so how is unplugging ethernet from your thunderbolt port any different?
If I were your boss I'd fire you for purchasing a $3k computer without first reading the specifications. What are you - 12?
At work, I run Windows for AutoCAD and other windows-based apps so I need to use a mouse. Before I purchased a bluetooth mouse, I'd have to use a USB receiver which takes up a USB port. With the hub from the monitor, I'm able to unplug 1 USB cable when removing the laptop instead of both the receiver and the Ethernet dongle.
Well this got pretty nasty... MY TURN!
First, to the original poster:
To other poster's points:
First, to the original poster:
- You really should do your homework before buying any kind of consumer electronics; especially computers.
- I agree that ethernet is a common standard, so I understand assuming that it would be there. But this is hardly the first time that Apple dropped a standard because they didn't like it. Do your homework.
- As for screen quality; that's a subjective issue. What looks good to you may look bad to someone else and vice versa. It's possible that Mountain Lion will have higher resolution icons.
- A lot of people confuse MacPro with MacBook Pro. I've even had to correct people working at the Apple store. Don't feel too bad.
- I'm sorry that you're not happy with your purchase.
To other poster's points:
- Professional simply means that you get paid for what you do. If you can do your job with a MacBook Air, then it meets the definition of professional.
- Apple includes "pro" as a marketing gimmick. They had 1 pro machine and it didn't have 'pro' in the title (RIP xserver). If my work required redundant power supplies and storage attached via fibre, then Apple doesn't make a product for me.
- There are a lot of things you CAN do to make a computer work, but that doesn't mean you should have to. Adding dongles, adapters, and hubs is a work around and it DOES impact portability.
- If you're worried about portability, then all you really want is a laptop and a charged battery. On the go, you wouldn't care if it has 1 port or 100 because 1 device or 100 will slow you down.
- Of course the OP should have looked up the computer's specs before buying one. Perhaps even try one at a store to see if he liked the screen. The point has been made and there is no point in beating him with a dead horse.
IMO, it sounds like there's something wrong with his screen (assuming anything he says is true). The icons on my rMBP running Lion are incredible.
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Aside from the Ivy Bridge CPU, overclocked 650M GPU, 16GB of memory, 512GB SSD, you're spot on, good call bud!
Noted. Does gigabit ethernet actually run at 1000 megabits or is that a top end/theoretical spec too? I guess what I was saying is that if you have the right router, the wireless can be pretty fast. The ethernet with the thunderbolt works great for me. Not sure why this is such a bother to some. I've seen my wireless get up to 240 Mbps (30 MBs) but I haven't run any tests or benchmarked it. I just plug in the ethernet when at my desk and run it on wifi any where else in the house.
What image is "The Image"? Can you be more specific, can you take a picture, can you provide one iota of proof or even actually sound remotely like you know what you're talking about?