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Mac pro r display, disappointing

OP - you have every right not to like it. I don't know exactly what you expected with posting your opinions (not facts, opinions) of your dislike on a Mac enthusiasts website. That's like dissing the Big Mac on a McD's fan forum....c'mon now.

Your gripes, to most of us (me included) seem awfully petty...but you paid for it, if it doesn't meet your expectations, why not return it and buy/wait for something that does?
 
I don't understand the issue. If you don't care about portability then why didn't you either buy an imac or a cMBP? Apple made it pretty clear what they were trying to do here. All the power of the MBP with the portability of the air. They didn't release the cMBP update alongside it for no reason. The retina isn't for everyone. The fact that you hate the screen is even more reason for you to get a cMBP. it would have your precious ethernet port and wouldn't have the screen you hate.

If you understand the whole idea of the retina screen you would leave it at "best for retina" that makes the most sense. If you want a ton of screen real estate get a Thunderbolt Display. the whole purpose is to make everything crystal clear. I don't really get why they offered the other options because any other resolution on that screen is not retina.

I have no issue with a dongle because I know I wont need it all the time and when I don't need it I have a superthin laptop that packs one hell of a punch power wise. If you need ethernet at one specific place you always are like work or home then get a thunderbolt display. you get more screen real estate and ethernet. If you need it sporadicly then get the dongle and suck it up for the rare times you have to plug it in.

I don't understand the mentality that a "pro laptop has to have XYZ" No it doesn't. everyone works differently and most want the most power in the most portable package for a laptop. if you don't want portability then get a desktop!
 
Fiestaman said:
The MBPr physically could not be the thickness it is with an ethernet port. That's why it was removed. It would be impossible to fit any form of female connector. You would need some sort of adapter. Oh wait...
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Your wrong. Sony have done it 2 years ago.

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...ngId=-1&partNumber=VPCX111KX/B#specifications

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gentlefury said:
actually you are quite wrong. When you are using best for retina the OS is 2880x1800 and using icons that are 4x the normal size (1024x1024)...therefore NOTHING blurs. It is all native. Check any comparisons and you will see you are incorrect.
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You simply don't get it. If everything is scaled you loose the value expected from the high resolution. Like more screen space because everything is smaller and you have more desktop room to position multiple windows.

Seriously. Are you real? Do you not get it? If the setting is not on best for retina then the screen looks blurred. If you have it set to best for rentina everything is scaled. What the point in the hi res if everything is scaled. The OS is not optimized. Apple have recently stated as such...

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thejadedmonkey said:
To be fair though, I don't know anyone besides an Apple apologist who would think it's okay to sell a $2000 pro level computer with 2 USB ports and no ethernet. Heck, most $500 PC's have 4+ USB ports, esata, and ethernet.

And yes I know that Apple puts the "pro" in the macbook pro as marketing only, but when you market it as a "pro" laptop, shouldn't you expect at least some pro features?

This is just as much on Apple as it is on the OP, IMHO.
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I didn't realise that the "pro level" of a computer is judged by the number of USB ports. Interesting criteria.
 
Nutdotnet said:
OP - you have every right not to like it. I don't know exactly what you expected with posting your opinions (not facts, opinions) of your dislike on a Mac enthusiasts website. That's like dissing the Big Mac on a McD's fan forum....c'mon now.

Your gripes, to most of us (me included) seem awfully petty...but you paid for it, if it doesn't meet your expectations, why not return it and buy/wait for something that does?
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Your right, I do have the right. But many people who have opted for this computer have complained about the screen. It's simply not that good and cost allot of money. I think this should be discussed and what better forum to do so.

It's ok to have connecting cables that do the job of other ports if Apple have not included the needed standard ports in the first place. But at least they should come with the computer. The computer should also have more than 2 USB if this is how Apple want people to connect. USB is standard.

I do feel this computer is taking 1 step forward and 3 steps back. Why not let people know this. If it helps others to make an informed decision and consider then options then great. We all can make our own choice in the end.

If people are upset with me highlighting these problems. They have a bigger problem than my computer.

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Southernboyj said:
Also, everybody is quick to mention it lacks ethernet, but fails to acknowledge that the laptop is too thin to even fit it!
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Wrong.

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/st...ngId=-1&partNumber=VPCX111KX/B#specifications
 
LEARN2MAKE said:
Noted. Does gigabit ethernet actually run at 1000 megabits or is that a top end/theoretical spec too? I guess what I was saying is that if you have the right router, the wireless can be pretty fast. The ethernet with the thunderbolt works great for me. Not sure why this is such a bother to some. I've seen my wireless get up to 240 Mbps (30 MBs) but I haven't run any tests or benchmarked it. I just plug in the ethernet when at my desk and run it on wifi any where else in the house.
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Not quite at 1000 mbits but theoretical max of gigabit ethernet is up to 950-970 megabits. Real world can easily be in the 930-950 megabit range. The thing is that wireless is usually not even half of its 'sync' rate.
 
Yeah I feel your pain OP. I once bought a $70K car only to find out at the gas station that it used some weird diesel fuel. The nozzle would NOT fit in the little hole. I pushed and pushed but they (some workers) had to stop me as apparently this fuel is dangerous as hell.

So just take it back and tell them never mind :)
 
OP, you can't have more than one main problem. Also, It seems you bought the rMBP on a whim and without reviewing specs? Its well known there is not ethernet port built in. An no CD/DVD, and memory is not upgradable...

Also, the ethernet dongle is now a TB port one. Sounds like you are reusing you USB one. Finally, get a USB 3.0 hub (see other thread about best one).

The biggest failure I see with the rMBP is the total lack of a dock. Why the hell would I want all these dongles hanging off my laptop. Just a stupid engineering approach.

And please don't tell me to buy a TB display. I should not have to spend $1000 on a port replicator.
 
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gentlefury said:
actually you are quite wrong. When you are using best for retina the OS is 2880x1800 and using icons that are 4x the normal size (1024x1024)...therefore NOTHING blurs. It is all native. Check any comparisons and you will see you are incorrect.
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You're not understanding his statement. What he's trying to say is that the best for retina setting gives you a 1440x900 workspace - no more usable space than a standard mbp.

And he claims that the two higher modes, which are scaled, add excessive blur. This is the first I've heard of that complaint though. I saw many claims of the scaled modes looking even better than the native resolutions on non-retina. I guess I will see in a couple days.

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Southernboyj said:
Also, everybody is quick to mention it lacks ethernet, but fails to acknowledge that the laptop is too thin to even fit it!
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I don't know about that. The Lenovo X300-series is almost as thin and manages to squeeze in an ethernet port (along with 3USBs). The screen was about as crappy as it can get though. I would have taken a .05" hit if it allowed a non-glued battery and a normal Ethernet.

Though I guess thunderbolt to Ethernet is okay. It really should have been bundled though.
 
CrAkD said:
do you really think apple would put a hole in their beautiful design to put in a plastic drop down ethernet jack? really?
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My point exactly. If it looks good it passes Apples approval. If it fails to do the job required... Hmmmmm, does it look good?

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terraphantm said:
You're not understanding his statement. What he's trying to say is that the best for retina setting gives you a 1440x900 workspace - no more usable space than a standard mbp.

And he claims that the two higher modes, which are scaled, add excessive blur. This is the first I've heard of that complaint though. I saw many claims of the scaled modes looking even better than the native resolutions on non-retina. I guess I will see in a couple days.

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I don't know about that. The Lenovo X300-series is almost as thin and manages to squeeze in an ethernet port (along with 3USBs). The screen was about as crappy as it can get though. I would have taken a .05%2r hit if it allowed a non-glued battery and a normal Ethernet.

Though I guess thunderbolt to Ethernet is okay. It really should have been bundled though.
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I believe we're on the same page. I'm curious to see when you get yours if you too are seeing a blurred image. I get massive headache when viewing longer than 3-4 hours in high res mode.
 
gentlefury said:
You do know this cable is about 3 inches long and weighs 1.6 ounces (I know if I don't have the exact figure I will be mocked)? So for both dongles you are at an extra 3.1 oz!!!! OMG! Back breaker! Even if you carry it with you, it is many times lighter than the extra pound the old MBP design gives you. Actually, carrying, the rMBP, a USB Super Drive, and an external drive would STILL weigh less!

BTW, where is the lack of storage? 512GB is a rather large mobile internal drive. For anything serious you should be using external storage anyway.
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It's another thing I have to remember and carry around. Also, I have a 512GB SSD and a 1TB HDD in my MBP. That internal drive is the same drive I'd have to carry around in an external enclosure with a rMBP. I prefer having all my functionality in one package instead it hanging off my laptop all the time.
 
ZipZap said:
OP, you can't have more than one main problem. Also, It seems you bought the rMBP on a whim and without reviewing specs? Its well known there is not ethernet port built in. An no CD/DVD, and memory is not upgradable...

Also, the ethernet dongle is now a TB port one. Sounds like you are reusing you USB one. Finally, get a USB 3.0 hub (see other thread about best one).

The biggest failure I see with the rMBP is the total lack of a dock. Why the hell would I want all these dongles hanging off my laptop. Just a stupid engineering approach.

And please don't tell me to buy a TB display. I should not have to spend $1000 on a port replicator.
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I did review specs. But the excitement of ordering over came the harsh reality that they really are lacking industry standard ports. My old mac was on its last legs and ive been holding out for some time. The screen may be fixed over time, but it really does beg to ask, apple is a marketing driven company.
 
OP, I can't quote what you said to me because one of the mods is doing some cleanup on this thread, but I want to address a couple things...

First, yes I own a Nano. I take it to the gym and out jogging, on bike rides etc. That somehow invalidates what I know about computers? The list of products in my signature is there so that people know which products I own in case they have questions that relate to them. It's pretty standard. I also own a lot of non-Apple products, but I don't bother to list them here because it's an Apple focused website.

And by the way...I'm not a fanboy. I'm a female that generally likes Apple products, but I by no means think Apple is perfect. Your only comeback to people has been to call them fanboys; are you feeling a bit defensive about the fact that you didn't do the research you should have? Because that's really what the issue is here. You didn't post that you think Apple should have reconsidered their design. You posted that you were disappointed and angry and felt ripped off...but you wouldn't have felt that way if you researched the way you should have.

At this point it really is like beating a dead horse. You just don't want to admit that you made an unwise decision and want to blame it on Apple. Fine. Continue on being unhappy.
 
the read said:
The screen may be fixed over time, but it really does beg to ask, apple is a marketing driven company.
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And this surprises you? What company isn't? We don't exactly live in a socialist paradise. And, I'm sorry to say, Apple has always been about profits. There's no such thing as a non-profit capitalist corporation, no matter how it's disguised.

I cannot speak to your specific health issues, but it seems strange to me that you're getting headaches on the highest resolution setting. For one, it might be that the UI elements and text are too small for you and your eyes are straining too hard. However, if you're implying that using the rMBP in the highest scaled setting is blurrier than a low-resolution standard MacBook Pro, that's pretty shocking. I had to use my wife's 2010 MacBook yesterday and I thought I had a cataract. Back on the rMBP in 1920x1200 and all's normal. I prefer the 'best for retina' more generally, but the added blur to the other resolutions is minimal - almost imperceptible.

Good luck with your computer.
 
Did you even do your research?? You could have found all that out before spending the cash on it lol. Also if you can't see the difference in OSX with the retina display you must be blind.
 
I do love it when people use the "pro" label as an argument. I'm a professional photographer and graphic designer and I'm in the process of replacing my 2006 MP with a RMBP.

The ethernet ports on my MP are there to gather dust.
usb ports were replaced with using FW800 & eSata drives 5 years ago.

now in 2012 the RMBP fits all my needs with more RAM and better expandability through TB and a better GFX card. All my storage (24 TBs) will be attached via a single thunderbolt port and the lacie and belkin docks when I'm at the studio and a usb3 SSD portable drive when i'm on the road.
 
the read said:
I did review specs. But the excitement of ordering over came the harsh reality that they really are lacking industry standard ports. My old mac was on its last legs and ive been holding out for some time. The screen may be fixed over time, but it really does beg to ask, apple is a marketing driven company.
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can you please state, which industry standard ports do you need to use. Read carefully... NEED to use.
I mean if it is LAN or display port, just buy the adapters.

If you ask again why a 'pro' label does not have any of those adapters -> design

Apple most important strategy is design strategy. If something makes it ugly, they will surely remove it.
 
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the read said:
I've been an Apple user for years. But I'm convinced apple are now a marketing driven company, with little respect for the users who have adopted their tech and the challenges we face on a daily level...

Am I angry, yes. Have I lost trust with Apple, yes. Do I feel cheated, yes most defiantly...

All in its a very disappointing product. This is not innovation, it's misunderstanding what people need. 1 step forward = 3 steps back...
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You're visibly very upset at Apple, so I suggest that you take 1 step forward and no steps backwards: just return the rMBP and buy a cMBP (or whatever other Apple product suites your needs). I think you'll feel much better after that. :)
 
I don't mean to be horrible, but how can you spend £3000 on a computer and not know which ports it has? Surely that's something you research first? People confuse me.
 
AirThis said:
You're visibly very upset at Apple, so I suggest that you take 1 step forward and no steps backwards: just return the rMBP and buy a cMBP (or whatever other Apple product suites your needs). I think you'll feel much better after that. :)
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Yes. This is sound advice. Or perhaps we should recommend that Sony Vaio the OP linked to earlier. I wouldn't call that a step forward, but perhaps the OP might! =)
 
flipnap said:
this isnt a comparison. if the vaio had to power a screen like retina theyd need a SUBSTANTIALLY larger battery, and wouldnt be able to fit many of those ports.. the same way apple had to make room..
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Screen or battery was not the point in question. Ethernet
 
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