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is it a non-issue as outrageous pricing and luxury goods are the norm now?

Why are you mad that people are keeping them honest? Should we all applaud apple so that Tim gets more ideas and starts charging $400 for dongles?

If the Mac Pro had come with wheels default, they couldn’t be removed or locked and this was an unavoidable issue in normal everyday use, then yeah, I suppose a case could be made. The way I see it, people are jumping on the bandwagon to bash Apple and making a lot of noise over what is ultimately an optional accessory.

First off, why put wheels on your Mac Pro if you plan on keeping it on your desk?

Let’s say you want to roll it around on your desk, for argument’s sake. That’s where the handles come in.

If you are afraid that they might cause your Mac Pro to roll away due to a slanted floor, then don’t use them. The wheels are removable anyways.

The wheels are there, they are what they are, and having them installed only to complain that they lack locks despite knowing about this limitation way in advance says more about the user than it does about Apple, IMO.

This does beg the question as to what the wheels are good for exactly. I can’t really think of one (moving one around seems pretty inconvenient when you consider that there’s still an external monitor attached), but then again, this brings me back to my earlier point about the wheels being an optional (albeit expensive) accessory that people ultimately aren’t compelled to buy if they don’t see the need to.
 
Or they'd ensure that all the rest of your expensive equipment gets dragged along for the ride.

I still don’t understand where people think their Mac Pro is going to go?
If you’re processing film on a mountain perhaps remove the optional wheels.
If it’s on a desk don’t fit the optional wheels.
If it’s on an office floor it’s unlikely to go for a jog taking your monitor with it.
Aside the stupid price for a totally optional extra what exactly is the issue?
 
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If you are afraid that they might cause your Mac Pro to roll away due to a slanted floor, then don’t use them. The wheels are removable anyways.

No they are not, at least currently. The wheels are not a user-replaceable part and must be ordered with the system or installed by a service provider. If you ordered it with wheels, you didn't get the feet, so even if you tampered with it, you can't use the system especially since the mounting hardware for the feet is non-removable.

 
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No they are not, at least currently. The wheels are not a user-replaceable part and must be ordered with the system or installed by a service provider. If you ordered it with wheels, you didn't get the feet, so even if you tampered with it, you can't use the system.


The Mac Pro user guide seems to suggest otherwise, though I admit this isn’t written in the most accessible place, and I obviously am never going to buy one, so I don’t have first hand experience to go by.


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In fairness why would you put something that expensive and big on your desk permanently with wheels in the first place
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Might I Also add the fact that the cables wouldn’t be long enough for it roll away..
 
I picture my dog chasing this thing around the living room. Maybe somebody should sell a leash that plugs into one of the usb ports and which you can wrap around a table leg to keep the machine in place.

Don't give them ideas. Might just leverage their self driving tech and make a Mac Pro Drone that follows you around whenever you need more computing power.
 
This does beg the question as to what the wheels are good for exactly. I can’t really think of one (moving one around seems pretty inconvenient when you consider that there’s still an external monitor attached), but then again, this brings me back to my earlier point about the wheels being an optional (albeit expensive) accessory that people ultimately aren’t compelled to buy if they don’t see the need to.

Wondering that myself. A use case for wheels might be something like a mobile video/photo editing setup you can just roll out to the location being filmed but there are a lot better ways to achieve that like a flightcase with wheels.

Locking wheels are a pretty standard feature on anything you move but don't babysit to make sure it stays in place. It's a weird omission on the most expensive wheels you can put on a computer.
 
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$400 upgrade and no locks? Why does Apple continue to spit in the face of their consumers?

I honestly think it's because everyone in their executive team are worth upwards of 25 Million dollars. Some approaching 500 Million dollars. And that leaves them completely out of touch with reality.

It's like that time Bill Gates was on Ellen and they played a game where he guessed what common grocery items cost. He thought Pizza Rolls cost $20 (really cost, $8). And that a box of Rice cost $5 (actual cost, $1). He was even shocked that dip for potato chips would cost less than $10 (it was $3.66).

To these people of course $400 wheels are a thing. Makes perfect sense when you're so out of touch with average people and what they pay for things.
 
I still don’t understand where people think their Mac Pro is going to go?
If you’re processing film on a mountain perhaps remove the optional wheels.
If it’s on a desk don’t fit the optional wheels.
If it’s on an office floor it’s unlikely to go for a jog taking your monitor with it.
Aside the stupid price for a totally optional extra what exactly is the issue?
For the price they are asking and for what it its fitted to, no lock is a crappy oversight. Period. That's my opinion.
 
How many of these mac pros are they going to sell? I have no idea but I'm guessing not too many.
And there is the problem right there.
Take something like a car, any car, lest's take the Ford Fiesta for example starting at about $14000 in the USA.
Now that's a car that's going to sell millions round the world and every part of it will be made in the millions.
But just imagine if they were only ever going to make 200 of them.
The costs of R&D, tooling, setting up the line, internal resources etc, are then not divided by millions of examples but by 200 so something like a gear knob if it's custom leaps from $10 to $10,000.
That's why Ferarris are so expensive not because they are 20x better and it's why a computer part where they are probably making only about 1000 sets of wheels is way more expensive than something generic you can buy on the local store for $20
 
What Studio do they have? My goodness! I'd consider to change the place rather than compaining about missing locks on the wheels. But hey, it's cooler to blame Apple and get more followers on Twitter.
 
For the price they are asking and for what it its fitted to, no lock is a crappy oversight. Period. That's my opinion.

Is it an oversight or simply not needed?
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I honestly think it's because everyone in their executive team are worth upwards of 25 Million dollars. Some approaching 500 Million dollars. And that leaves them completely out of touch with reality.

It's like that time Bill Gates was on Ellen and they played a game where he guessed what common grocery items cost. He thought Pizza Rolls cost $20 (really cost, $8). And that a box of Rice cost $5 (actual cost, $1). He was even shocked that dip for potato chips would cost less than $10 (it was $3.66).

To these people of course $400 wheels are a thing. Makes perfect sense when you're so out of touch with average people and what they pay for things.

stupid analogy, average people aren’t buying a Mac Pro.
 
How many of these mac pros are they going to sell? I have no idea but I'm guessing not too many.

Clue: an order of magnitude more than 200 or it wouldn't exist.... Nobody has the figures, but you can use the Fermi approach: annual Mac sales are in the tens of millions, so if only one in a thousand Mac users gets a Mac Pro, then you're still talking about tens of thousands.

But just imagine if they were only ever going to make 200 of them.

...so you find some nice-looking mass-produced wheels rather than designing your own from scratch. Ikea have some reasonable looking ones for £15 (retail - so that includes a profit margin for everybody in the chain) and if Apple phones up Ikea or their (probably) Chinese supplier I'm sure they could get 10,000 or so in aluminium finish at a similar price.

That's why Ferarris are so expensive not because they are 20x better and it's why a computer part where they are probably making only about 1000 sets of wheels is way more expensive than something generic you can buy on the local store for $20

Supercars are more expensive because they're designed to extract money from multi-millionaires, who want them to look good in the country club parking lot. How much of that cost is justified by the bill-of-materials, how much is excessive profit margin (and whether the engine is actually a regular Ford one with 'Supercar Corp'-branded rocker covers) is irrelevant. Oh, and the reason the extras are ridiculously expensive is that its a wheeze for keeping the sticker price of the base model merely huge and raking in pure profit on the extras*.

Plus, if you decide that you don't want to pay $10,000 for a Ferrari car radio or insure your tyres for $5000 each, you can go out and buy a Ford pickup without having to re-take your driving test and plan a new route to the shops using only Ford-compatible roads. Apple don't make affordable pickups (i.e. a mini tower with a couple of PCIe slots) and switching to PC can mean a major upheaval to your workflow - which they're exploiting by making the only full-size desktop system they offer so expensive.

Thing is (if you want to keep to the silly car analogy) Apple have never been Ford, but for most of the 2000s and into the 2010s they didn't used to be Ferrari, either. Toyota, maybe? They've always been "premium" but this "if you need to ask the price you can't afford it" attitude with the Mac Pro is a turn for the worse (the wheels and the XDR display stand are inconsequential in themselves but really show up Apple's greed). Long term problem is - the PC world is laughing at them while they concentrate on seeing how much they can squeeze from users locked-in to MacOS. Eventually, that could kill the platform.


* Go look at Apple's prices for RAM and SSD upgrades c.f. third party M.2 and SODIMM prices (remembering to account for the price of the memory that the upgrade would be replacing and that any prices you find online will already include profit for the retailer) or even the $200 VESA adapter which simply provides the 4 boltholes that every other mid- to high-end display has built into the housing.
 
Apple has become such a sad and pathetic company. I've been a die hard Mac user since the Centris/Quadra 650 and recently I'm seriously contemplating moving off the platform. I'm so tired of waiting just one more year until they take Mac users seriously again. All the apps I'm using are available on Windows, too, and some even on Linux. I deeply, deeply hate Windows, but considering the current total rip-off that Apple is pulling on us it's just too much.
 
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