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What about a studio computer? One with no internet access that you need to load audio applications onto...like boxed versions of Ableton Live, Reason, Cubase, and large sound libraries...and on top of that, you need to import audio from CD constantly on an audio studio computer. Having a disc drive is ESSENTIAL and you cannot do without it. Some people just don't seem to understand this -- many Macs are used in applications in which they are NOT connected to the internet. They are studio machines for WORK -- and you NEED that OPTICAL DRIVE! YES!

Yup. And there are loads of options for that. If you're working in a studio you've already got loads of hardware peripherals connected to get your job done. No studio is every completely contained "in the box".
 
They need to think hard about how to make Mac OS X better. Maverics is an very small increment. SOme major software innovation is required. For example at least make "drives" go away, integrate NAS, DAS and Cloud and automat migration. We are still using a 1970's storage model.

Moving a mouse takes a long time on my 27" screen. Can we jump it like I can with a Wacom table

OK, those a tiny increments. The future is "Strong AI" like Adam in Heinlein's "The moon is a harsh mistress" not like Hal. What about using TWO webcams to see hand gestures in mid air. I don't want to touch the screen, but I can point from 2 feet away.

Search needs to be MUCH better. I want to be able to say, "Edit that the paper I had up last night." and it will figure out what to do (which app to load and which file to edit.)

What about a "writing assistant", not just spell check but real assistance.

Image editors need to understand the objects in the photo, people, cars, dogs and trees and work with objects and light and color not pixels.

Apple needs to offer a computer that does things other computers can't do.

None of that would improve sales at all

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Well, a few years ago I wrote about this.

People uses computers mostly for internet stuff where regular desktop computers are way over capable to manage that sort of data. You can take a Mac from 7 years ago and it can surf the web today as normal.

That means no need to get new computers for what 80% of the people do.

The rest of the people/ market may be working in the industry, video editing, graphic design... those are the ones getting a new computer each 3 to 4 years.

Basically only 3D animators and video editors still running slow in performance because the industry is sucking a lot with new resolutions, effects and softwares.Those are the only ones who needs a new computer.

Amen
 
They need to think hard about how to make Mac OS X better. Maverics is an very small increment. SOme major software innovation is required. For example at least make "drives" go away, integrate NAS, DAS and Cloud and automat migration. We are still using a 1970's storage model.

Perhaps when we have Fios everywhere. I suspect enterprise IT departments will be more hesitant there due to the recent and potentially legitimate concerns over data privacy.


Moving a mouse takes a long time on my 27" screen. Can we jump it like I can with a Wacom table

I never liked a Wacom mated to a 27" screen. It makes things way too jumpy. A cintiq type solution is nice, as the movement feels natural. Otherwise you're deciding between mouse acceleration vs scaled mapping.


OK, those a tiny increments. The future is "Strong AI" like Adam in Heinlein's "The moon is a harsh mistress" not like Hal. What about using TWO webcams to see hand gestures in mid air. I don't want to touch the screen, but I can point from 2 feet away.

Search needs to be MUCH better. I want to be able to say, "Edit that the paper I had up last night." and it will figure out what to do (which app to load and which file to edit.)

What about a "writing assistant", not just spell check but real assistance.

I hate spell check, and this is one of the few areas where I miss the analog version. No one consults a dictionary anymore. You would always find additional interesting words when searching for one.

Image editors need to understand the objects in the photo, people, cars, dogs and trees and work with objects and light and color not pixels.

3d scanners are expensive mmmkay... There is plenty of room for improvement to the paint and image processing applications. There are so many transformation functions and things that haven't been touched for years in the post apps where the real research has come out of 3d apps. Just saying "objects not pixels" sounds more like marketing mush though. When was the last time you really had to worry about manually anti-aliasing an illustration?
 
Apple, update those macs already! New MBA's, nothing else.

Want to see: updated haswell iMac, the new Mac Pro (so I can compare them both to see which one I will chose), and then the new rMBP! So pumped.

Then you'll see sales go up. We are all waiting for updates!
 
I know quite a few people suffering malware issues on Windows products. They must replace hard drives and are shut out of the computer for days. They all ask me why I use a Mac. Think it's too costly. They endure repair costs happily but consider the Mac excessive. These are often folks with adequate means. One in particular is a retired surgeon in early 70’s. wonder what he is saving for? His "kids" are middle age now.

Mindset, I guess

What varieties of malware require the hard drive to be replaced?

That's crazy talk.
 
You don't think there is a market for 17" laptops? Almost all other manufacturers offer 17+ inch models. I once had a 20" Dell XPS M2010 laptop, now that was certainly way too big. :)

There is indeed a huge and viable market for a 17" laptop in the Mac lineup. Apple really dropped the ball by discontinuing this model. The added screen real estate was essential for video editors and photographers, and enjoyed by anyone who wanted the higher resolution it offered. Don't throw me the BS of Retina giving more resolution...Apple has GOOFED on their system where the default resolution on a Retina 15" only gives you 1440x900 of workable space on the screen. The 1920x1200 resolution on the 17" is the SAME as a 23" Cinema Display's native resolution, and ideal for photo work and side-by-side video editing. It is simply cramped and tiny to try to do the same video work on a 15" model....and working with Logic is even worse.

Apple is on a kick of SLIM, MICRO, NANO, SHRINKING things...everything has to be thin and tiny...and that does not always equate to maximizing the workable functionality of the product....that is what Apple is missing and they don't understand. Four internal drive bays will be missed, optical drives will be missed, PCIe slots will be missed, and yes, 17 screens will be missed too.

Oh, and did I mention? No more 30" Cinema display, or Matte Cinema displays at all, for that matter. This will be missed too. Great display...Apple just keeps doing stuff that doesn't make sense, in the sake of SLEEK FASHIONABLE ELEGANT SVELTE ERGONOMIC AESTHETIC DESIGN!! Bah Apple! Bah!!
 
Not at those prices. :eek:

Let's wait and see what those prices are going to be.

Cook and Ive should run the company together. That's the closest combo I can imagine to get even close to Jobs. Otherwise... I'm not feeling good about things.

Ive is a genius in the design dept, but I don't know if he has any supply-chain savvy. Besides, two captains on a ship, is usually not a good idea.

…..Based on the data, he maintains his outlook of a 5% year over year drop in Mac sales for the September quarter and continues to note that Mac sales are becoming less significant in light of iPhone and iPad sales, representing just 15% of Apple's total revenue.

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As with his previous reports, Munster notes that it remains difficult to extrapolate NPD data to Apple's global sales performance, but he views the July data as "neutral to slight positive," down from slightly negative in a June report…..

Article Link: Mac Sales Remain Flat in July, 5% Year Over Year Drop Expected for September Quarter

Nothing in all those figures is alarming, or even unexpected, considering the continuing fragile state of the economy, as well as more people turning to iPhones and iPads for simple day-to-day computing needs. Add to that the fact that four of those five computer categories are expected to receive imminent updates/redesigns. Considering all that, I think Apple has done quite well.

If most of Apple's planned new products are rolled out fairly early in the quarter, and they can avoid the supply issues they had last year, their Q1 (Oct-Dec) figures could be spectacular.
 
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There is indeed a huge and viable market for a 17" laptop in the Mac lineup. Apple really dropped the ball by discontinuing this model. The added screen real estate was essential for video editors and photographers, and enjoyed by anyone who wanted the higher resolution it offered. Don't throw me the BS of Retina giving more resolution...Apple has GOOFED on their system where the default resolution on a Retina 15" only gives you 1440x900 of workable space on the screen. The 1920x1200 resolution on the 17" is the SAME as a 23" Cinema Display's native resolution, and ideal for photo work and side-by-side video editing. It is simply cramped and tiny to try to do the same video work on a 15" model....and working with Logic is even worse.

Apple is on a kick of SLIM, MICRO, NANO, SHRINKING things...everything has to be thin and tiny...and that does not always equate to maximizing the workable functionality of the product....that is what Apple is missing and they don't understand. Four internal drive bays will be missed, optical drives will be missed, PCIe slots will be missed, and yes, 17 screens will be missed too.

Oh, and did I mention? No more 30" Cinema display, or Matte Cinema displays at all, for that matter. This will be missed too. Great display...Apple just keeps doing stuff that doesn't make sense, in the sake of SLEEK FASHIONABLE ELEGANT SVELTE ERGONOMIC AESTHETIC DESIGN!! Bah Apple! Bah!!

I agree. Actually, I the fact that the 17" MBP had a 1920*1200 resolution was awesome as it gave a little bit more room in the Y direction. For serious work, we need screen size as well as resolution.
 
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I actually stopped some of my friends who wanted to buy the rMBP (not knowing that it was released in 2012). Fortunately Apple updated the MacBook Air this year, otherwise I would have recommended a PC laptop.
 
I agree. Actually, I think the 17" MBP had a 1920*1200 resolution which is awesome as it gives a little bit more room in the Y direction. For serious work, we need screen size as well as resolution.

I did say 1920x1200 on the 17" MacBook Pro. The 15" Retina is 2800x1800 Total pixel resolution on the display, it is super-high DPI...but the way it is setup to work with workable screen space in Mac OS X uses pixel-doubling to give you a simulated workspace resolution of 1440x900 by default on that model. You can adjust it to 1920x1200 in the settings, however, like you said, it's making the screen elements too tiny on a 15" to really work with a 1920x1200 workspace size. The native resolution of the 17" is 1920x1200, and the display is large enough that the resolution is ideal to use.
 
I did say 1920x1200 on the 17" MacBook Pro. The 15" Retina is 2800x1800 Total pixel resolution on the display, it is super-high DPI...but the way it is setup to work with workable screen space in Mac OS X uses pixel-doubling to give you a simulated workspace resolution of 1440x900 by default on that model. You can adjust it to 1920x1200 in the settings, however, like you said, it's making the screen elements too tiny on a 15" to really work with a 1920x1200 workspace size. The native resolution of the 17" is 1920x1200, and the display is large enough that the resolution is ideal to use.

Yes, I noticed that I read you wrong. I corrected my comment but wasn't fast enough.
 
Exactly my thinking, they used to update products twice a year, some haven't even been updated yearly now, so this is just funny books. We can show you sales are down, because they are... but we all know the cause of that.

I don't even understand the reasoning behind forgetting about mac users, I'll always be more mac than iOS, and when iOS falls if there's no mac line because they've slowed the updates even more it's going to be bye bye Apple, unfortunately.

Perhaps they've been caught in their own "halo" and think iOS, and only iOS, is the way forward, at the expense of the mac that kept them floating for so long, and the users that bought the mac. They seem to have forgotten that.

My question is if they get rid of the mac line, who will code apps for them? They can't do it on Windows, even if they ported Xcode, cause they would keep losing their work to the blue screen.
 
Stopped at Best Buy today. Haven't been there in a year. I couldn't believe the cool pc designs. Almost all the laptops had touch screens, the montitors flipped over and back, my favorite was the DELL XPS 18 Portable All-in-One. That is one awesome computer and it was only $950. I love my macs but I was really tempted to get this one. Almost every computer there was under $999. You can really get a nice computer for under a G. Then I walked over to the mac section and it was really sad. Double the price for the cheapest computer. No touch screens. No flip flop screens, nothing. Hell not even disc drives anymore. Lame. Not a single person over there either. It was really sad.
 
Comparisons Please

What are the similar numbers for the rest of the companies that sell similar equipment, both in terms of numbers and profit? The world economy is changing and it is necessary to see how Apple is doing in relation to the others.
 
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Then I walked over to the mac section and it was really sad. Double the price for the cheapest computer. No touch screens. No flip flop screens, nothing. Hell not even disc drives anymore. Lame. Not a single person over there either. It was really sad.

Oh I see you took some time to see the beautiful palace of decay called "Ive's Paradise" - I am sure Siri was glad to see you :)
 
Well I've been waiting to buy a damn mac for months. It's Apple's own fault they aren't making money since they don't put out products. And if there is no dgpu on the retina macbook pros then I'll laugh when they won't sell much of those. It's the price they pay for their arrogance.
 
I think Apple needs to evolve how they approach their market. The "casual user" it seems is shrinking, moving more towards tablets just to get their consumption habits met.

The user that actually needs to produce are the folks that are still looking forward to and buying new models regularly. These are the business casual to pro users that make money with these things.

And frankly, as one of these people (and knowing others that are mac enthusiasts as well as windows people), a lot of people I talk to just want to know what to expect. At the end of the day they'd rather build/buy a PC they know about than to wait for a Mac they have no clue about. Likely they'll keep using Mac for person household uses and perhaps they'll buy another Mac down the road. But Apple is making it too easy to make the decision NOT to stay in their playground.
 
I know quite a few people suffering malware issues on Windows products. They must replace hard drives and are shut out of the computer for days.

Replace hard drives for malware? No way, you could just reformat the drive. I think half the problem there is a dishonest serviceman, but that is bundled with the Windows experience I guess.
 
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