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Guys, the leakers are WRONG just like they were with the Apple Watch. Apple is going to a 50% more rounded design and thicker front glass. Faster charging #m1x

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Have the bezel be just slim enough that you don’t need any notch. If other laptops can achieve this then Apple can. Shaving a few extra mm off just for the sake of having a tiny little less bezel is absurd to me.

This is Apple listening and caving to all the anti-bezel whiners but then compromising yet again with an ugly notch in its place. Not worth the couple millimetres of less “bezel” to me at all.

I would like to think this rumour isn’t true but this is 2021 Apple we’re talking about so it probably is.
 
Both screens have the same width, height, aspect ratio, and resolution. If the notch is 400px x 74px then the notch screen has 29,600 fewer pixels than the regular screen.

A different way of visualizing this is to take two sheets of 8 1/2” x 11” paper and cut a notch out of one of them. Nothing is added to the notch paper, but something has been removed.
And I am saying allow for a new aspect ratio and appreciate the extra pixels brought on by the tabs over the notch. It's a difference of perspective.
 
So people who are getting mad about the notch rather have a 1cm high border at the top? I mean a "forehead" is basically a notch that's stretching across the whole width of the screen. Definitely a bigger waste of space.
LOL, yes, I'll gladly take the "waste" of a few mm worth of space across the top to have a proper rectangular display as Macs and PC have had for several decades now.

You people with your "foreheads" and your "chins" -- you all only started complaing about this crap a few years ago when you read about it on the internet. Displays have always had bezels (gasp!) and nobody gave a rat's wet ass about it until a bunch of internet-minted "design experts" all started parroting the same words, like a tic: "bezel!" "chin!" "forehead!" I honestly can't wait to find out what you all find to get upset about next. The computer's "foot" (whatever that is)?

Here's an idea: maybe spend your time looking at the screen instead of fixating on the little sliver of material around it.
 
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I'm having bitter sweet feelings about that notch.

It's gonna ruin tons of games that has UI elements on the top of the screen.
 
Because there's stuff where the notch would supposedly be. It messes up the menubar and any fullscreen app. And if you push the menubar and any fullscreen app down and let the ears be new interactive screen area, it messes up using the normal screen borders as a mouse boundary.
 
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LOL, yes, I'll gladly take the "waste" of a few mm worth of space across the top to have a proper rectangular display as Macs and PC have had for several decades now.

You people with your "foreheads" and your "chins" -- you all only started complaing about this crap a few years ago when you read about it on the internet. Displays have always had bezels (gasp!) and nobody gave a rat's wet ass about it until a bunch of internet-minted "design experts" all started parroting the same words, like a tic: "bezel!" "chin!" "forehead!" I honestly can't wait to find out what you all find to get upset about next. The computer's "foot" (whatever that is)?

Here's an idea: maybe spend your time looking at the screen instead of fixating on the little sliver of material around it.

You will have your rectangular display, you are assuming the notch use wrong! just wait till tomorrow...

It will be a perfect 16:10 rectangular display without any curve on any corners, but there will be an area above that which the notch is placed, this isn't part of the usual macOS, it'll just display other customizable data with a black background.

I'm sure there will even be third party tools so you can turn it completely off (all black space) and get your beloved :rolleyes: bezel back, and since it is mini-led it'll turn off completely and you won't even notice it!

I also think in full screen mode (which you currently don't have a menubar), the menubar can optionally move to the notch area instead, again with a black background and you'll still have the uninterrupted screen below it.
 
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I've arranged to get a sticker manufacturer to create notch stickers for ALL-size screens, etc. So those who "love the notch" will soon have the opportunity to buy this revolutionary new product and ADD notches to your TV(s), existing monitor(s), all of your home and car windows, your microwave and oven windows, aquariums and any other rectangular panes you look at that are, unfortunately, lacking a notch now.

I'm working on a temp, Post-it-like version so you can temporarily add notches to windows that are not yours... like airplane, train, subway, taxi, uber windows, etc too. We're considering a revolutionary ROUND window version for submarines and certain ship windows. Why should round viewports be excluded?

Also working on a micro version for the inside of glasses to seem to put a notch on movie screens, stage shows and pretty much anything we look at in the world. Want a notch on the sunset view of the horizon? We can help you. Tired of looking at museum art that foolishly shows the upper 3% of the images without blocking a chunk of the center of that strip? We can help you without you having to risk trying to "improve" priceless art.

The mission is to bring notches to all shapes people look at that are lacking them now.

To pre-order, step right up! Step right up! ;)
 
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You can have a different perspective, but there are no extra pixels. Both sheets of paper (LCD panels) are the same size. One just has the notch removed.
Because there's stuff where the notch would supposedly be. It messes up the menubar and any fullscreen app. And if you push the menubar and any fullscreen app down and let the ears be new interactive screen area, it messes up using the normal screen borders as a mouse boundary.
Again, I don't follow. You increase the size of the screen and then you cut 5 mm off the long side, that is your new aspect ratio. Then you cut two tabs from the 5mm you just removed and reattach them. You have now added pixels to the screen. You have more pixels than previous generation devices, still have all the pixels of your new aspect ratio PLUS the tabs.

It's more.

Then you just update the OS to manage to move the menu bar to the tabs and you don't allow full-screen apps to use the menubar area. And finally, we can have menu bars always visible in full-screen apps instead of the annoying auto-hide solution they have now.

The MBAir is 13.3 inches. If they increase it to 14 and take a 'notch' you will still end up with more pixels.
 
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Again, I don't follow. You increase the size of the screen and then you cut 5 mm off the long side, that is your new aspect ratio. Then you cut two tabs from the 5mm you just removed and reattach them. You have now added pixels to the screen. You have more pixels than previous generation devices, still have all the pixels of your new aspect ratio PLUS the tabs.

It's more.

Then you just update the OS to manage to move the menu bar to the tabs and you don't allow full-screen apps to use the menubar area. And finally, we can have menu bars always visible in full-screen apps instead of the annoying auto-hide solution they have now.

Both sheets of paper are the same size. One has a notch cut out of it, the other has a thicker bezel outside of it, but the sheets of paper themselves are the same size and aspect ratio. The notch paper does not have extra paper added to it. Both screens are larger than the previous generation, but the notch screen has fewer pixels than the bezel screen. Comparing the new screens to the previous Macs is a different discussion and has nothing to to do with the notch.

The point of full screen apps is to devote as much of the screen as possible to the apps. Making the menu bar persistent means less screen space for the app, but its the only way to avoid the notch cutting into the app’s interface. At that point you could just hide the dock and maximize the app window.
 
Lots of people freaking out, but it all depends on the screen size BELOW the notch. If full 16:10 aspect ratio can be achieved with the pixels BELOW the notch, then it's all good. "Full screen" will still look normal as the pixels to the right/left of the notch are not used. Then in non-full screen mode, the pixels to the right/left of the notch can be used for the menu bar.

If it's anything other than that, we got a problem.
 
Both sheets of paper are the same size. One has a notch cut out of it, the other has a thicker bezel outside of it. The notch paper does not have extra paper added to it. Both screens are larger than the previous generation, but the notch screen has fewer pixels than the bezel screen.
So you are saying make the screen bigger and don't take away pixels for the notch. You want two things, and even though you would be getting more it's not enough? I only want the bigger screen. Tabs have the potential to make the device more functional.
The point of full screen apps is to devote as much of the screen as possible to the apps. Making the menu bar persistent means less screen space for the app.
Tabs mean a persistent menu bar doesn't make the app's screen smaller. Most apps don't use the entire menu bar, so all that space is wasted. As displays get wider that issue will just get worse. It would be much better to move it up and always dedicate the rectangle to the app and leave the menu bars to the tabs.

Lots of people freaking out, but it all depends on the screen size BELOW the notch. If full 16:10 aspect ratio can be achieved with the pixels BELOW the notch, then it's all good. "Full screen" will still look normal as the pixels to the right/left of the notch are not used. Then in non-full screen mode, the pixels to the right/left of the notch can be used for the menu bar.

If it's anything other than that, we got a problem.
Exactly!
 
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If Apple adds FaceID to the MBP line, and borrows the iPhone notch in order to minimize the bezels, I’m all for it. I think the notch just becomes part of the Apple aesthetic, at least until there are viable under-screen options that they can implement. Because you know if Apple hides the cameras in a slightly thicker bezel, the tech reviewers and crazy forum followers will absolutely loose their minds.
 
So you are saying make the screen bigger and don't take away pixels for the notch. You want two things, and even though you would be getting more it's not enough? I only want the bigger screen. Tabs have the potential to make the device more functional.

Tabs mean a persistent menu bar doesn't make the app's screen smaller. Most apps don't use the entire menu bar, so all that space is wasted. As displays get wider that issue will just get worse. It would be much better to move it up and always dedicate the rectangle to the app and leave the menu bars to the tabs.


Exactly!
The bezel screen will be the same larger screen as the notch screen so you would be getting the same larger screen either way; the only difference is that the bezel screen means the Mack would be slightly deeper, not enough to be noticeable. For full-screen apps, with a 2000px tall screen, the persistent menu bar means that the app only gets 1926 vertical pixels of the screen, while on the regular screen the app gets the full 2000 vertical pixels. So the notch means less screen space for the app.
 
A notch on a laptop screen would be pants-on-head stupid. This has to be deliberate misinformation on the part of Apple. If not, then Clown World will be confirmed for all to see.
 
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