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MacBook, MacBook Pro To See Merom Upgrade Next Month?
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TangoCharlie said:One simlpe reason: Cost.
True, except Merom (64 bit) is suppossed to cost the same as Yonah (32 bit) so do you mean apple wouls raise prices as they have a newer processor?
I dont think they would, having followed this saga for some time i dont think they will raise prices and if the processor, motherboard, logicboard, etc cost the same as Yonah then where does your argument stand?
Now that Apple have acknowledged some technical hardware problems on the Yonah built MBP's and are trying to put these problems right I think that they may well hold of releasing the Merom chip in the MBP's until they are certain of its stability. Some people do say that they released the Yonah MBP's too soon.
I can't believe it. Yet another Tuesday, and still no new iMac or MBP. It really is painful waiting for something we know should have happened a month ago.
Maybe new iMacs next week??? After all, this shortage is on Merom, not Conroe.
Hopefully the iPod sweatshop debarkle will prompt Apple to crack down on its quality control for its next model, although I do believe the quality control now is far better than it was at the beginning of the Macbook / Pro life.
I believe this is my 100th post. "Regular" status 4 me!
Maybe new iMacs next week??? After all, this shortage is on Merom, not Conroe.
Hopefully the iPod sweatshop debarkle will prompt Apple to crack down on its quality control for its next model, although I do believe the quality control now is far better than it was at the beginning of the Macbook / Pro life.
I believe this is my 100th post. "Regular" status 4 me!
You May Return Unopened Macs From Apple For FREE Up To 10 Days After Receipt
I would definitely return it and wait for the new Merom model which should also be a redesign that will let us easily change HDs like in the MB.
If you open the box it will cost your parents 10% to return it. DO NOT OPEN THAT BOX AND RETURN IT.
You want a MBP that has an impossible to access HD or one that will let you easily change HDs? That's the #1 reason to wait. If the Merom MBP doesn't include a redesign to add that feature, I would wait and buy a Merom MacBook.
The prices will be the same and they are not going to delay putting Merom in MacBooks any longer than they have to wait for supply to match production volume.
If you do not open it you may return it at Apple's expense for up to 10 days and not pay any restocking fee. Moreover, you can call Apple and arrange to REFUSE it upon delivery. OR they may ask you to accept it and email you a PDF return label which you print out and will let you return it unopened at Apple's expense as soon as you receive it. If I were you, if you read this before it arrives, I would refuse it then call Apple to tell them you have done so. That would save you the hassle of having to reship back to them.I am 100% sure this is the policy just in case anyone else posts otherwise here.walshb6413 said:
I would definitely return it and wait for the new Merom model which should also be a redesign that will let us easily change HDs like in the MB.
I'm telling you not to open the box, phone Apple Sales 800-MY-APPLE and tell them you have changed your mind and want to return it and they will tell you how you can do that AT THEIR EXPENSE. You can even tell them you've decided to wait for Merom and your parents didn't know about waiting. They will understand and give your parents full credit. Won't cost you a dime to return it.walshb6413 said:
If you open the box it will cost your parents 10% to return it. DO NOT OPEN THAT BOX AND RETURN IT.
You want a MBP that has an impossible to access HD or one that will let you easily change HDs? That's the #1 reason to wait. If the Merom MBP doesn't include a redesign to add that feature, I would wait and buy a Merom MacBook.
The prices will be the same and they are not going to delay putting Merom in MacBooks any longer than they have to wait for supply to match production volume.
You can avoid all this by NOT OPENING THE BOX. Phone and get it arranged to return unopened. They will not argue with you. Happens all the time. They have to pay for unopened return shipping all the time for people who have changed their minds for any reason whatsoever.playaj82 said:
To the guy wanting to open the box.
Remember, if Apple gives you crap about a restocking fee or something along those lines, just tell them that you DO NOT AGREE with the software license, and if they try to charge you a restocking fee.......argue.
Remind Apple that you have to have a reasonable time to look at and decide on whether you agree with their license agreement, you don't agree, they can't assess you a penalty.
However, you still probably can't actually use the computer because the big sticker on the documentation says "READ FIRST" before you actually turn on the computer. And if you turn on the computer, you are implicitly agreeing to the terms.
Remember, if Apple gives you crap about a restocking fee or something along those lines, just tell them that you DO NOT AGREE with the software license, and if they try to charge you a restocking fee.......argue.
Remind Apple that you have to have a reasonable time to look at and decide on whether you agree with their license agreement, you don't agree, they can't assess you a penalty.
However, you still probably can't actually use the computer because the big sticker on the documentation says "READ FIRST" before you actually turn on the computer. And if you turn on the computer, you are implicitly agreeing to the terms.
thanks!
Wow,
Thanks guys for all the suggestions! Multimedia, thanks for your great reply... I am off to the post office now to see if it is here. You had great suggestions, my specific situation is that my parents had it shipped to them and then my Dad forgot to bring it when I saw him yesterday so he had his office ship it up to me. (we live 400 miles apart) So I cant refuse shipment or anything like that.
Will the apple store do the same thing as calling Apple or should I call them only?
Wow,
Thanks guys for all the suggestions! Multimedia, thanks for your great reply... I am off to the post office now to see if it is here. You had great suggestions, my specific situation is that my parents had it shipped to them and then my Dad forgot to bring it when I saw him yesterday so he had his office ship it up to me. (we live 400 miles apart) So I cant refuse shipment or anything like that.
Will the apple store do the same thing as calling Apple or should I call them only?
Call Apple 800 My-APPLE For Return Instructions Only Store Is Out Of The Loop
Call Apple and tell them the truth and they will send you a label to return it with at their expense.walshb6413 said:
Macbook shipment delay
I ordered my Macbook Sunday afternoon Aug. 20th, and they said it would be shipped out of the factory in 3-5 days. Yesterday I got this e-mail from Apple saying:
To Our Valued Apple Customer:
Thank you for your recent order with the Apple Store online.
We are unable to ship your MacBook by the date given when you placed the
order. It is expected to ship on or before 8/31/06.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this delay may cause.
If you would like, you may visit our self-service website at
<http://www.apple.com/orderstatus> to change or cancel your order anytime
before it is shipped.
You may check the status of your order at any time by visiting our online
order status website at http://www.apple.com/orderstatus. Tracking information
will be emailed to you as soon as your order has been shipped.
We appreciate your business and your patience. Thank you for shopping at the
Apple Store.
Sincerely,
Apple Store Customer Support
AND another e-mail saying:
Due to an unexpectedly high demand, we are unable to ship the following item(s) by the date that you were originally quoted:
Z0D5, MB 13/2.0 CTO WHITE will now ship on or before 8/31/06.
I ordered my Macbook Sunday afternoon Aug. 20th, and they said it would be shipped out of the factory in 3-5 days. Yesterday I got this e-mail from Apple saying:
To Our Valued Apple Customer:
Thank you for your recent order with the Apple Store online.
We are unable to ship your MacBook by the date given when you placed the
order. It is expected to ship on or before 8/31/06.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this delay may cause.
If you would like, you may visit our self-service website at
<http://www.apple.com/orderstatus> to change or cancel your order anytime
before it is shipped.
You may check the status of your order at any time by visiting our online
order status website at http://www.apple.com/orderstatus. Tracking information
will be emailed to you as soon as your order has been shipped.
We appreciate your business and your patience. Thank you for shopping at the
Apple Store.
Sincerely,
Apple Store Customer Support
AND another e-mail saying:
Due to an unexpectedly high demand, we are unable to ship the following item(s) by the date that you were originally quoted:
Z0D5, MB 13/2.0 CTO WHITE will now ship on or before 8/31/06.
Could Mean Apple's Just-In-Time Processor Shipments Are Switching To Core 2 Duo Now
Let's all cross our fingers and say a little prayer.
Weel I can imagine a lot of annoyed college students who find out later this Fall that they bought the last of the 32-bit Macs if you're right - which I agree you probably are.
Well it isn't likely a Yonah shortage since it's been shipping for 8-9 months already. So this may be very good news. Since Apple no doubt uses a Just-In-Time method of receiving processors and probably has a contract that automatically switches supply to the latest greatest ASAP, it Could Mean Apple's Just-In-Time Processor Shipments Are Switching To Core 2 Duo right away - like NOW.sixth said:
Let's all cross our fingers and say a little prayer.
Touché.myke323 said:
Weel I can imagine a lot of annoyed college students who find out later this Fall that they bought the last of the 32-bit Macs if you're right - which I agree you probably are.
Multimedia said:Well it isn't likely a Yonah shortage since it's been shipping for 8-9 months already. So this may be very good news. Since Apple no doubt uses a Just-In-Time method of receiving processors and probably has a contract that automatically switches supply to the latest greatest ASAP, it Could Mean Apple's Just-In-Time Processor Shipments Are Switching To Core 2 Duo right away - like NOW.
You are correct Multimedia, Apple does indeed use a JIT inventory system. It's the same system that bit them in the ass when the new iMacs were scheduled for release a couple years ago - remember that fiasco? Apple publicly stating on their website that they sold out of G4 iMacs and that customers had to wait for G5 iMacs in the fall? Ah yes, good times...
udelly12 said:
Appleinsider has a story that states Apple is having difficulties keeping up with demand because of the busy back-to-school season.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1984
It would be fantastic if they were delaying because they wanted to include merom, but I somehow doubt it. No reason. I just doubt it. I would love to be shown otherwise though, because I really want my 17" merom MBP now.
Multimedia said:it Could Mean Apple's Just-In-Time Processor Shipments Are Switching To Core 2 Duo right away - like NOW.
Oooorrrrr.... it could mean that:
Due to an unexpectedly high demand, we are unable to ship the following item(s) by the date that you were originally quoted.
A fantasized MacBook Pro .... I sure do wish
I am the owner of a custom built Clevo under the marketed name of Xtreme Notebook, Nova 906V. Description below, but continue to the end of this post for a mouth watering idea.
* AMD Athlon 64 FX 60
* 1024KB On-Die L2 Cache
* Chipset: VIA K8T890 + VT8237A
* Socket 939 Mainboard
* 2048MB 400MHz DDR Memory
* Dual-Channel capable for full 800 MHz FSB
* 3.5" 3-mode 1.44MB FDD External Floppy
* Dual Dedicated HDD Bays for RAID 0 or 1 Array
* Dual Dedicated Optical Drive Bays Combo 8X DVD/24x10x24 CD-RW Drive w/Software and NEC® 8x Dual Layer DVD±R/RW 16x10x24 w/Software
* Built-In 2.5" Serial ATA 133 Hard Disk Drive Up to 100GB/7200 SATA HDD Now Available!.
* Promise Raid Controller PDC20265R
* Built-in 7-in-1 memory card reader: CompactFlash Type I and II, SD/MMC, MemoryStick, MSPro, and SmartMedia
* NVIDIA® GeFORCE Go 6800 Ultra, with 256MB DDR 3 VideoRAM
* External DVI (with VGA Adapter) and S-Video TV Out Support
* Supports Dual Monitors and Extended Monitor modes utilizing a second CRT or LCD display to seamlessly allow mousing between both monitors for twice the display area!
* 17.0" WUXGA+Wide Angle (1920 X 1200) LG LP171W02
* High Contrast and Super Crisp Glossy Panel Surface for XTREME Color Saturation!
* Built-in USB Real Time Video Camera with video capture software - great for web chat and video mail.
* Built-in Avermedia NTSC TV Tuner w/Remote and limited Video Capture Software
* Infrared transfer: 115.2K bps SIR/4M bps FIR,1cm~1M operating distance, IrDA 1.1compliant
* Built in Ethernet 10/100/1000BaseT Network (Realtek RTL8110S-32)
* 802.11G 54Mbps(MSI EI50630 94V-O)
* SmartLink 56K Modem with V.90&V.92 compliant
* 1 x External DVI Digital Video with VGA Adapter
* 1 x Parallel port (LPT1)
* 1 x Serial Port
* 1 External PS2 Keyboard Connection
* 4 x USB 2.0 ports
* 1 x Headphone, MIC & Line-in jack
* 1 x RJ45 for 10/100/1000Mb LAN Realtek RTL8110SBL
* 1 x RJ11 Jack for Smartlink 56K (V.92) Modem
* 2 x 4-pin 1394 FireWire® port
(TI TSB 22AEJKT/43AB21A) OHCI compliant
* 1 x SP/DIF Jack
* 1 x infrared file transfer, IrDA 1.1
* 1 x S-Video jack for TV output to HDTV and S-Video input with TV Tuner
* 1 x serial port
* Cable Coaxial Connection at TV Tuner card
* Integrated Bluetooth for wireless connectivity of mouse, keyboards, cell phones and other devices (some third party products may not be compatible)
* 1 Type II PCMCIA TI PCI1410PGE
* RealTek HD Audio w/AudioDJ Front Panel & MP3 Playback
* Stereo enhanced 7.1 Channel Output
* SoundBlaster PRO® compatible with SRS WOW Support
* S/PDIF Digital output
* 4 Integrated Stereo Speakers + Subwoofer
* 11.75" Deep x 15.48" Wide x 2.0" Thin (Mac would be thinner)
* Auto Switching 110/220V 150W 20V AC Adapter
* 12 Cell Battery - Approximately 1.5 hours of runtime
* Only 11.3 lbs with battery
* Keyboard with 99 Full Size Keys including 10-key numeric keypad.
* Synaptics Programmable Touchpad
* 2-way scroll function (up and down).
NOW ... Imagine all of this in a MacBook Pro with the Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 gigs of RAM installed. All of the above too in Mac version...including RAID 0 configuration and 2 super drives too. WOW
This is just a dream I had while chomping at the bits for a new MacBook Pro 17inch.
I am the owner of a custom built Clevo under the marketed name of Xtreme Notebook, Nova 906V. Description below, but continue to the end of this post for a mouth watering idea.
* AMD Athlon 64 FX 60
* 1024KB On-Die L2 Cache
* Chipset: VIA K8T890 + VT8237A
* Socket 939 Mainboard
* 2048MB 400MHz DDR Memory
* Dual-Channel capable for full 800 MHz FSB
* 3.5" 3-mode 1.44MB FDD External Floppy
* Dual Dedicated HDD Bays for RAID 0 or 1 Array
* Dual Dedicated Optical Drive Bays Combo 8X DVD/24x10x24 CD-RW Drive w/Software and NEC® 8x Dual Layer DVD±R/RW 16x10x24 w/Software
* Built-In 2.5" Serial ATA 133 Hard Disk Drive Up to 100GB/7200 SATA HDD Now Available!.
* Promise Raid Controller PDC20265R
* Built-in 7-in-1 memory card reader: CompactFlash Type I and II, SD/MMC, MemoryStick, MSPro, and SmartMedia
* NVIDIA® GeFORCE Go 6800 Ultra, with 256MB DDR 3 VideoRAM
* External DVI (with VGA Adapter) and S-Video TV Out Support
* Supports Dual Monitors and Extended Monitor modes utilizing a second CRT or LCD display to seamlessly allow mousing between both monitors for twice the display area!
* 17.0" WUXGA+Wide Angle (1920 X 1200) LG LP171W02
* High Contrast and Super Crisp Glossy Panel Surface for XTREME Color Saturation!
* Built-in USB Real Time Video Camera with video capture software - great for web chat and video mail.
* Built-in Avermedia NTSC TV Tuner w/Remote and limited Video Capture Software
* Infrared transfer: 115.2K bps SIR/4M bps FIR,1cm~1M operating distance, IrDA 1.1compliant
* Built in Ethernet 10/100/1000BaseT Network (Realtek RTL8110S-32)
* 802.11G 54Mbps(MSI EI50630 94V-O)
* SmartLink 56K Modem with V.90&V.92 compliant
* 1 x External DVI Digital Video with VGA Adapter
* 1 x Parallel port (LPT1)
* 1 x Serial Port
* 1 External PS2 Keyboard Connection
* 4 x USB 2.0 ports
* 1 x Headphone, MIC & Line-in jack
* 1 x RJ45 for 10/100/1000Mb LAN Realtek RTL8110SBL
* 1 x RJ11 Jack for Smartlink 56K (V.92) Modem
* 2 x 4-pin 1394 FireWire® port
(TI TSB 22AEJKT/43AB21A) OHCI compliant
* 1 x SP/DIF Jack
* 1 x infrared file transfer, IrDA 1.1
* 1 x S-Video jack for TV output to HDTV and S-Video input with TV Tuner
* 1 x serial port
* Cable Coaxial Connection at TV Tuner card
* Integrated Bluetooth for wireless connectivity of mouse, keyboards, cell phones and other devices (some third party products may not be compatible)
* 1 Type II PCMCIA TI PCI1410PGE
* RealTek HD Audio w/AudioDJ Front Panel & MP3 Playback
* Stereo enhanced 7.1 Channel Output
* SoundBlaster PRO® compatible with SRS WOW Support
* S/PDIF Digital output
* 4 Integrated Stereo Speakers + Subwoofer
* 11.75" Deep x 15.48" Wide x 2.0" Thin (Mac would be thinner)
* Auto Switching 110/220V 150W 20V AC Adapter
* 12 Cell Battery - Approximately 1.5 hours of runtime
* Only 11.3 lbs with battery
* Keyboard with 99 Full Size Keys including 10-key numeric keypad.
* Synaptics Programmable Touchpad
* 2-way scroll function (up and down).
NOW ... Imagine all of this in a MacBook Pro with the Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 gigs of RAM installed. All of the above too in Mac version...including RAID 0 configuration and 2 super drives too. WOW
This is just a dream I had while chomping at the bits for a new MacBook Pro 17inch.
myke323 said:
I gotta go with Myke323 on this one. Apple still estimates 24 hour shipping on the MBP, which will certainly get Merom before MB does. Despite my wishes for speedy trasition to Merom, I think Apple is just having supply problems for MB in the back to school rush.
So, I haven't been reading the latest rumors. Is the MBP still due by mid September at latest? Or are we looking at waiting even longer then that?
I reformated my computer and gained like 7GB, so I guess I can wait a little longer, I just WANT it now.
I reformated my computer and gained like 7GB, so I guess I can wait a little longer, I just WANT it now.
so Multimedia
I guess this means that I'm going to wait until say... Sept 14th. Hopefully by that date I can get the Merom and the iPod nano. in all honesty.... my mouth is salivating. Good idea guys? I need to figure out how to get my hands on some sort of Coupon. I'm a poor medical student with too much in loans. but my dell was getting "ehhh" so I sold it!
I guess this means that I'm going to wait until say... Sept 14th. Hopefully by that date I can get the Merom and the iPod nano. in all honesty.... my mouth is salivating. Good idea guys? I need to figure out how to get my hands on some sort of Coupon. I'm a poor medical student with too much in loans. but my dell was getting "ehhh" so I sold it!
Maybe a confirmed date on the Merom!!!
Hi,
Ive recently looked into purchasing a MBP and was looking into the dual booting into XP as im an avid XP user for many years. Although the new macs with intel duo are looking very nice and also as a music producer im looking into purchasing a MBP with Logic Pro 7. Also with the ability to use my beloved XP.
So while browsing about the forums ive noticed that apple are hoping to bump up the MBP to an intel duo 2 codename "merom". Now a bit of luck on my part i have a friend who works for intel!! Havent managed to speak to him about this subject yet as i "normally" dnt have anything to say about intel (Im a AMD FX-60 64-Bit User) But when he comes online or i can catch him on the phone ill ask him as hes involved with the developement of these new duo chips!! See if i can get some inside information!!
Although the real reason while im posting is i rang up a very well known UK based laptop building company which allows you to make your own laptop AMD/Intel. I questioned the man about these new duo chips and apple osx ... and what replied with was a little intresting!! He said along the lines of ...
"Im not sure for definate about the shipping and future plans with these chips but by the sounds of it August the 28th is when its all kicking off as we have a meeting with intel"
Didnt think he meant to have said that as he paused at the end of the call lol!!
Some more info for definate will be posted when i get a chance to chat with my m8!!
So hold tight august 28th!! Ill be ringin the man back to find out the situation!!
Hi,
Ive recently looked into purchasing a MBP and was looking into the dual booting into XP as im an avid XP user for many years. Although the new macs with intel duo are looking very nice and also as a music producer im looking into purchasing a MBP with Logic Pro 7. Also with the ability to use my beloved XP.
So while browsing about the forums ive noticed that apple are hoping to bump up the MBP to an intel duo 2 codename "merom". Now a bit of luck on my part i have a friend who works for intel!! Havent managed to speak to him about this subject yet as i "normally" dnt have anything to say about intel (Im a AMD FX-60 64-Bit User) But when he comes online or i can catch him on the phone ill ask him as hes involved with the developement of these new duo chips!! See if i can get some inside information!!
Although the real reason while im posting is i rang up a very well known UK based laptop building company which allows you to make your own laptop AMD/Intel. I questioned the man about these new duo chips and apple osx ... and what replied with was a little intresting!! He said along the lines of ...
"Im not sure for definate about the shipping and future plans with these chips but by the sounds of it August the 28th is when its all kicking off as we have a meeting with intel"
Didnt think he meant to have said that as he paused at the end of the call lol!!
Some more info for definate will be posted when i get a chance to chat with my m8!!
So hold tight august 28th!! Ill be ringin the man back to find out the situation!!
Please!! release the Merom MBP by the end of the month!! I sold my 1.67 17" PowerBook today, so I'm ready to spend all my cash!!
I'm going to be in NYC the first 6 days of september, so I hope I'll find it by then.
ahhhhhh, keep dreami'n.......
I'm going to be in NYC the first 6 days of september, so I hope I'll find it by then.
ahhhhhh, keep dreami'n.......
beatalliance said:
That wouldn't be to hard to belive, because the 29th is a Tuesday, it's 2 weeks untill Paris and 3 weeks has passed from WWDC. I think it's a perfect day.