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MacBook Pro 2020 13" USER Reviews
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I am also living in Europe, but you have to compare apples to apples (pun intended). It only makes sense to compare prices without taxes, as those are not Apple's fault. (Btw, you didn't add the taxes for the U.S. price in your comparison)
So in Germany we pay 19% VAT. Adjusting the 2130 EUR, nets 1790 EUR without tax, which in USD is 1942, so about 150 USD more than in the U.S. Our product guarantee is also one year longer, I think.
If you configured a 13inch MBP i5/16/512 a few weeks ago, you would have paid close to 2500 EUR with taxes, i.e. the price dropped quite significantly.
So, it is not all bad.
I see now the Apple store US asks for a zipcode; probably tax differences in different states? New York zip-code selects 160 USD tax.
It was not my idea to blame Apple for the EU taxes on their products. In my opinion it makes sense to compare the retail prices US (1799 + tax 160 USD) vs. EU (2308 USD). Being the end-user and consumer, this is what we eventually have to pay for the exact same MBP. So a difference like +340 USD for the same MBP is not the best deal in the EU... 💰
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1799 is not the retail price, though. Sales tax in the U.S. store is added at checkout. It is lower than in the EU, though. If the residual between EU and US is too high to account for foreign exchange fluctuations and for one year more guarantee is another question.
Anyway, in general I am with you, but it is not as bad as it was made out to be. I have been waiting for this release for quite some time (still on 2012 15inch MBPr) but I am not going to buy this one and will wait for a redesign.
In Germany, there are already some discounts @ mactrade.de and shifter.shop
The US prices don’t include taxes.
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When you exclude taxes the AUD price is slightly less than the US price. It is US$1775 in Australia vs. US$1799 in the US.
Tbh tech is getting crazy expensive (thx Intel!). Dell XPS 13 with i7/16gb RAM/512gb SSD costs 1849€ without coupons here in the Netherlands. Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon with i7/16gb slow 2133mhz RAM/512gb SSD costs 1929€ euros without coupons. Sure, both Dell and Lenovo usually offer hefty discounts on many products on their websites but nevertheless, you gotta pay big bucks for these premium laptops nowadays.
Yeah and most of em without dGPU.
I mean at this price point you better off getting the 16" at 2.1k & 2.2k sales lol.
Looking to get a Air or a 13" so I can leave my 16" at home when I go to the coffee or something
I'd be shocked if it were because 1. it is not outlined in the Learn page and 2. it has identical text on the Tech Specs page as the previous model, where as with the MBA and MBP 16" when they upgraded the speakers they made sure to have it mentioned it was a clear improvement on both
He keeps posting the 2019 model numbers with nothing from this 'supposed' 2020 model he has ... very confusing. I'm in a conference atm so I've muted the volume, yet he should post the comparison visually.
I get that this is an expensive laptop but it's in the premium end of the market. Apple still tends to be a bit more than some of the Windows counterparts but they are also the only company here using a 28W CPU so the performance is likely to be higher also.
And the 8th gen is still a great chip and your getting more for your money. It's not like you'd likely buy that and it be too slow compared to the 10th gen unless maybe you are doing graphics heavy work. It'll still be a good speed 5+ years down the line as well.
And the 8th gen is still a great chip and your getting more for your money. It's not like you'd likely buy that and it be too slow compared to the 10th gen unless maybe you are doing graphics heavy work. It'll still be a good speed 5+ years down the line as well.
Don’t forget you get a longer standard warranty so that will add to your cost. US customers get 1 year parts & labor and 90 days technical support unless they buy AC/AC+.
The 10th Gen i5 sustains about 3GHz.
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It differs by state, county, city. There are something like 9000 different sales taxing jurisdictions in the U.S. A few states like Oregon, Delaware, and New Hampshire do not have a sales tax.
Price doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is that the 16 isnt remotely as portable, and since this is a laptop I need to carry with me the 16 will never be an option. Not sure why people are coming into a review thread for the 13 suggesting that people should go with the 16 instead. It's stupid.
Agreed. I’m not bothered by the price either, I’d buy a high end 16 instead of a high end 13 if I felt that worked better for me. However I much prefer my laptop to be light and portable.
Also when back at a desk I can use external screens or even an eGPU if I needed more graphics performance. Most of that time the laptop would be in clamshell mode so the size of the screen on it makes no difference.
You beat me to it, it's a good video. Also answers the question that the 10th gen model does have better speakers but the 8th gen model does not.
Ultimately for most people the 8th gen will be more than enough of course but you are getting a few nice overall improvements if you can afford the 10th gen.
Max Tech opened up both the base and the Ice Lake. The latter has woofers for better bass.
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Agreed. If you equalize the RAM and SSD, the 4TB model is $200 more. You get the faster CPU and GPU, ports on both sides, better speakers and better thermals.
That was the case last year as well though. I’m wondering if the speakers in the base unit are improved at all over last year, because to my ears the new Air speakers are better than the base 2019 MBP.
This over and over!! 🙌 It's not even comparing similar use-cases. The 16" can literally not fit into my backpack.
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Does anyone have any thoughts between the 8th gen and the 10th gen and battery life?