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Apple delved too greedily and too thinly. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Cupertin-dum... shadow and fire... camera and notch.

Apple has awoken the Bezelrog.
 
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You can't do a significantly better camera without compromising on some other end either. You can add a camera bump, put the camera on the bottom (making for terrible perspective distortion), etc. Or have a mediocre camera.
Yep but when i said this, I was told by someone here to do some research and find the many devices that exist that already do this. Continuing the great tradition of making a claim and then telling someone else to do the research.
 
It'll be embarrassing if Apple goes through all this trouble but doesn't include Face ID. Mac cameras aren't used as often as iPhone cameras, so you'd have this big black spot on your screen all day for no reason.
 
Yeah, but Apple can either anger one or the other. You can't minimize the bezel and still have a good sensor array without doing something strange like a notch, hole punch, etc.

You can't do a significantly better camera without compromising on some other end either. You can add a camera bump, put the camera on the bottom (making for terrible perspective distortion), etc. Or have a mediocre camera.
Actually, they CAN minimize (but not eliminate) the bezel and still have a good sensor array. Taking the sensor array of the iPhone you can see just how slim the bezel could be on the Macbook Pro without a notch. No one would complain about that... well, there could be complaints but they wouldn't be intellectually honest about it.
 
less than 48 hours to find out if the notch is going to get in the way of my full screen porn Parmesan cheese photos
 
It'll be embarrassing if Apple goes through all this trouble but doesn't include Face ID. Mac cameras aren't used as often as iPhone cameras, so you'd have this big black spot on your screen all day for no reason.
If the menu bar is black and locked, you’d not have that black spot visible since the screen will have pure black
 
It's no big deal as long as it means a nicer bigger screen, with very thin bezels, and it fits well in the center of menu bar (usually an unused area of screen). And hopefully it includes FaceID.
 
Why a MacBook needs a notch? The screen is already large enough. Even the iPad mini hasn’t the notch, so why a MBP should need it? It has only sense on iPhones where the screen is small compared to the other devices so you need to optimise space on it, but on a 16 inches MacBook makes no difference at all. FAKE NEWS!!
They need it for Face ID.
 
smartphones for the most part have your biometric data, voice, text, typing patterns, faceID, your thumbprint. heck amazon now offers a roaming bot with camera in roaming throughout your house. TV's, homepods, and other smart devices have google assistant/siri on at all times. amazon was even caught listening even when supposedly turned off. why do you think batteries are non swappable now? its to prevent phones from fully turning off. even now apple has the find my network still enabled even when the phone is off.

nah but im the crazy one..

You're generalizing.

Amazon isn't Apple. An iPhone doesn't have your biometric data. An iPhone's secure enclave does; iOS cannot access that.
 
smartphones for the most part have your biometric data, voice, text, typing patterns, faceID, your thumbprint. heck amazon now offers a roaming bot with camera in roaming throughout your house. TV's, homepods, and other smart devices have google assistant/siri on at all times. amazon was even caught listening even when supposedly turned off. why do you think batteries are non swappable now? its to prevent phones from fully turning off. even now apple has the find my network still enabled even when the phone is off.

nah but im the crazy one..
You are indeed. Trust me, you’re not as important or interesting as you think you are.
 
A notch on a MacBook is horrible. It’s bad enough that we still have it on the iPhone.

It’s not bad at all, it‘s a necessary compromise on the phone to have FaceID, and it even gives the phome a recognizable look. Certainly nicer than a punch hole or the whole top part being cut off. All the other alternatives are worse.

As for MacBooks, we’ll have to see. But if they put the notch there, it must be for good reason, just like with the iPhone.
 
It'll be embarrassing if Apple goes through all this trouble but doesn't include Face ID. Mac cameras aren't used as often as iPhone cameras, so you'd have this big black spot on your screen all day for no reason.
dont worry, it will have faceID but not this generation
Apple wants to have some features next generation as well..since this generation will get a lot lot of new stuff its like unlike Apple
Redesign, new internals, new architecture, new ports, new mini-Led Promotion display
 
smartphones for the most part have your biometric data, voice, text, typing patterns, faceID, your thumbprint. heck amazon now offers a roaming bot with camera in roaming throughout your house. TV's, homepods, and other smart devices have google assistant/siri on at all times. amazon was even caught listening even when supposedly turned off. why do you think batteries are non swappable now? its to prevent phones from fully turning off. even now apple has the find my network still enabled even when the phone is off.

nah but im the crazy one..

I would use the term “deluded” instead.
 
I think it bears repeating:

The rumoured resolutions of the new MacBook Pros:

14": 3024 x 1964 - 257.56 ppi
16": 3456 x 2234 - 257.2 ppi

As others have suggested, this is a bit of an odd choice of resolution, because it deviates from the usual MacBook Pro 16:10 aspect ratio. However, the deviation is the same number of vertical pixels between both the 14" and 16" models, and not a ratio between the two, despite the fact they are different sizes.

If we were take to the screen sizes at face value, the 14" would be 15.4:10, and the 16" would be 15.5:10, slightly different from each other, and both off from the usual 16:10 aspect ratio.

OTOH, again as others have indicated, if we subtract 74 pixels from the above vertical resolutions for both models, we get the exact 16:10 aspect ratios:

14": 3024 x 1890
16": 3456 x 2160

So, from a math perspective, the idea of the notch has support, with the height of that notch being 74 pixels. The dot pitches are 0.0986 mm and 0.0988 mm respectively, meaning that 74 pixels would be a height of 7.3 mm. The only thing strange here though would be that 7.3 mm is too tall for a menu bar, unless they increase the size for these models in Monterey.

BTW, if you exclude the top 74 pixels, then the screen sizes are:

14" --> 13.9"
16" --> 15.8"

As for the pixel density, I think the differences here are not real. It's more likely that the 14" and 16" pixel densities are exactly the same, and those screen sizes are close approximations. eg. The 16" is actually 16", but the 14" is slightly larger than 14".

tl;dr:

I don't know if the notch rumour is real or not, but the math certainly supports the idea. However, the math also suggests a notch height of 7.3 mm, which seems tall for a menu bar, unless something has changed in Monterey.
 
Actually, they CAN minimize (but not eliminate) the bezel and still have a good sensor array. Taking the sensor array of the iPhone you can see just how slim the bezel could be on the Macbook Pro without a notch. No one would complain about that... well, there could be complaints but they wouldn't be intellectually honest about it.
So you can either have a notch-depth black bar across the top of the display, or turn 90% of that bar into active screen area, why not the latter?
 
Not that I am concerned with. So yes, this is a fair comparison. Apple is behind the curve. The iPad Mini 6's "all screen" design has an 80% screen to body ratio. That is pathetic.
Erm, with an iPad, that’s about the screen to body ratio you want. You still need to have place for your thumbs to be able to hold the thing.
Imagine holding your iPad and it just randomly starts flip-flopping between apps because you’re holding it.
So yeah, not pathetic at all when it’s functional.
 
It'll be embarrassing if Apple goes through all this trouble but doesn't include Face ID. Mac cameras aren't used as often as iPhone cameras, so you'd have this big black spot on your screen all day for no reason.


uh, since work from home, i used my macbook camera a lot more often than iphone camera.
 
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