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we demand everyone to turn on their cameras now because the teams from the UK and India always love to do other things on the side, not paying attention and then are like „oh sorry, I was on „mute“ or „yes, no problem“ without actually knowing what had been discussed. The worst is the throw away line „sure. I will get back to you“ (they won’t)

ANYWAY, we are taking about camera improvements here. It’s not that serious

LOL, that is the norm for everyone I work with, including me. A meeting is an opportunity to to get other, actual work done.
 
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It's sad that you sully the good name of Alan Turing with your bleatings. It's telling that you have no responses to anyone stating again and again normal reasons they might want better webcams. And the "I know you are but what am I" childish taunting is just really sad. Narcissism is a serious issue, go learn more before you throw it around as a term you don't know how to use.

(And you can save your breath, I've obviously ignored you now.)
 
Whilst I'd prefer a notchless all-screen display I understand their need to place a camera above the display. Whilst I do not personally need that feature I know many people do for their work from home, online classes and so forth.

I think the notch is a nice compromise if it results in a thinner bezel around the display and more screen real-estate. Looking at my 16" MacBook Pro right now that whole middle section where the notch would go on the menu-bar is empty as I don't have too many menu-bar icons.

If this 72 extra pixels is correct and that's the height of the menu-bar then it means our application windows won't intersect the notch and if anything we gain some real-estate as the menu-bar would be higher than it is on current models giving us an extra 72 pixels for application windows.

So again, sure I'd prefer no-notch but I think they've gone about it the right way if all these rumors are accurate. I'm in the market to buy and this is the least of my concerns about the new machine, I really would like 120Hz.
 
i really hope that this is a fake leak that was just used to flush out a leaker
TBH, its hard to tell if its an actual leak or just someone putting 2+2 together and getting 5.

FWIW, I think FaceID in Macs would be an absolute game changer - having used it with an iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard, it makes secure authentication utterly seamless. But at the cost of a notch?

That said, I'm posting this from a Mac and keep looking up and think "maybe I'd get used to a notch".

Dammit! I'm onboard with the notch! Its the notch-life for me. H8rs gonna h8.

BTW, narcissist or not, bad quality webcams are a PITA these days. I was incredibly skeptical about using video on meetings, but am a total convert to it and it would be nice to have a built-in Apple option which doesn't suck - the one on the new iMac is so much better than anything in their laptops at the moment.
 
It's sad that you sully the good name of Alan Turing with your bleatings. It's telling that you have no responses to anyone stating again and again normal reasons they might want better webcams. And the "I know you are but what am I" childish taunting is just really sad. Narcissism is a serious issue, go learn more before you throw it around as a term you don't know how to use.
It is you that should "go learn more". Again, there's a reason for you all being so defensive. It's very telling.
 
Yes it is. The folks who are in it for the selfish-ies are the absolute worst.
So what would fix it ? Should companies just stop investing any more money in cameras at this point ?

I mean, yes some people are narcissistic, but man, nothing's worse than an overexposed, grainy, low resolution webcam. It simply lacks professionalism.
 
TBH, its hard to tell if its an actual leak or just someone putting 2+2 together and getting 5.

FWIW, I think FaceID in Macs would be an absolute game changer - having used it with an iPad Pro and Magic Keyboard, it makes secure authentication utterly seamless. But at the cost of a notch?

That said, I'm posting this from a Mac and keep looking up and think "maybe I'd get used to a notch".

Dammit! I'm onboard with the notch! Its the notch-life for me. H8rs gonna h8.

BTW, narcissist or not, bad quality webcams are a PITA these days. I was incredibly skeptical about using video on meetings, but am a total convert to it and it would be nice to have a built-in Apple option which doesn't suck - the one on the new iMac is so much better than anything in their laptops at the moment.
faceid and high quality webcam isn't exclusive to the notch. you can have faceid and high quality webcam while also keeping it in the bezel
 
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The notch is actually a feature that will eventually interoperate with future Apple virtual reality gear. A small area of your visual field will be repurposed for communication with the hardware. See, for example, the "smart contact lens" in the image below. For users who don't wear contacts, there will be Apple's goggles, eyeglasses, and surgical options.

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However you have to rationalize this, in your mind. If your webcam is bad enough that you can't see non-verbal communication, you probably should've upgraded about 9 years ago.
Based on that logic m1 MBP need replacement webcams.
 
So what would fix it ? Should companies just stop investing any more money in cameras at this point ?

I mean, yes some people are narcissistic, but man, nothing's worse than an overexposed, grainy, low resolution webcam. It simply lacks professionalism.
If you have a webcam that isn't HD in 2021, that is another problem altogether. But the sad truth in a world where it's all about cameras, cameras, cameras, there are far more narcissists out there than those who just want to look more professional. That's a copout.
 
faceid and high quality webcam isn't exclusive to the notch. you can have faceid and high quality webcam while also keeping it in the bezel
Yes, but the challenge has been to get the size (depth) of the sensors small enough to fit in the incredibly thin lid of the Mac laptops. That's been cited as the main barrier for years now to the point where there were rumours they were looking at an alternative option in the main body of the laptop above the function keys.
 
The super fans never stop making excuses. If you think that a notch on any device is better than not having a notch, I've got a number you can call to get the help you need.
Why yes, I do like my iPhone 12 mini with a notch more than my old iPhone 8+ without one.
with my old phone, I had a 5.5 inch screen in a much, much bigger and more cumbersome body.
With this one, I have a 5.4 inch screen in a much, much smaller body.
Win win, if I can get a 14 inch screen in the same body as a 13.3, and the only trade-off is that there’s a little gap between the left side of my menu bar in the right side of my menu bar, which there already is, then I really, really don’t care.
 
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Why yes, I do like my iPhone 12 mini with a notch more than my old iPhone 8+ without one.
with my old phone, I had a 5.5 inch screen in a much, much bigger and more cumbersome body.
With this one, I have a 5.4 inch screen in a much, much smaller body.
Win win, if I can get a 14 inch screen in the same body as a 13.3, and the only trade-off is that there’s a little gap between the left side of my menu bar in the right side of my menu bar, which there already is, then I really, really don’t care.
So you'd buy an iPhone 12 Mini with the notch, over a notchless version if one was offered and the overall specs and functionality were the same? Nope, no you wouldn't.
 
I need a better webcam. My therapy practice is now almost entirely virtual. Even as the pandemic (hopefully slows down), many of my clients now aren't even local, so it will continue virtual. I use my iPad Pro in portrait mode, which is weird for most of my clients, but when I rotate it, it's hard to look at the camera because I'm also trying to look at my client. My 2018 MacBook Pro, which is obviously landscape mode, just looks really rough. It matters to me because it's my business. Even if people don't consciously consider it, it can feel like it cheapens the experience if they have a grainy therapist. We're a pretty visual species. Looks matter. Appearance matters. First impressions matter. :) I'm looking forward to HD landscape sessions. I've been exclusively Mac for over 20 years and I'd like to keep it that way, so I'm looking forward to this (even if the camera, from a total lay perspective, probably could have been upgraded ages ago).
 
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Following a sketchy rumor that claimed the next MacBook Pro models could feature a notch at the top of the display, an alleged photo of a MacBook Pro with a notch was shared today by Weibo account AnyTurtle999, as spotted by Twitter account DuanRui.

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A close-up view of the alleged notch at the top of the image appears to show a FaceTime camera, microphone, and an ambient light sensor for True Tone. Earlier this week, a Reddit user claimed that the next MacBook Pro will not feature Face ID despite having a notch, with a Touch ID sensor expected to remain above the keyboard for authentication.

The photo is blurry and it's unclear if it's authentic, so some skepticism is warranted here. If the photo proves to be real, however, it suggests that the next MacBook Pro models could feature very thin bezels around the display.

In the macOS Monterey beta, MacRumors discovered potential display resolutions of 3024x1964 and 3456x2234 for the rumored 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models. When subtracting 74 pixels from the height of both, the resulting 3024x1890 and 3456x2160 resolutions work out to an aspect ratio of 16:10. All of Apple's current MacBooks feature a 16:10 aspect ratio, leading to speculation that the extra 74 pixels could be for a notch.

Apple is hosting a virtual event on Monday at 10 a.m. Pacific Time, with rumors widely suggesting the event will be focused on redesigned 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with a faster version of the M1 chip and brighter mini-LED displays. The notebooks are also expected to feature an HDMI port, an SD card reader, and a magnetic power cable, while ditching the Touch Bar in favor of a return to physical Fn keys.

Article Link: MacBook Pro Display With Notch Shown in Alleged Photo Leak
This would lead to a zero bezel screen this would be a pretty awesome addition. I’ve been wondering why MacBook doesn’t have FaceTime.
 
The funny thing is a notch is way more bothersome to me on the iPhone than it would be on a laptop since because the Macbooks are likely sticking to more square-ish aspect ratios like 16:10 there's going to be letterbox-bars top and bottom when watching video on it anyways since it's usually running at 16:9 or wider. It's only annoying on the iPhone because if you blow up video on there like I like to do with youtube especially it's noticeably cutting off some of the video footage itself beyond what the zoom already did.
 
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Omfg please no. it will totally Bork the menu ux. maybe For full screen mode, but full screen mode sucks...so circa 1984.

right up there with the touch bar....
 
So what would fix it ? Should companies just stop investing any more money in cameras at this point ?

I mean, yes some people are narcissistic, but man, nothing's worse than an overexposed, grainy, low resolution webcam. It simply lacks professionalism.
Exactly. Referring to narcissism when talking about work meetings where the quality of your work/presentations/equipment (e.g. camera) plays a big part is just him missing the point entirely. As if anyone is going to use the MBP webcam to post on Instagram or record Tiktoks.
 
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