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MacBook Pro Display With Notch Shown in Alleged Photo Leak

kerplunknet said:
It’s going to stand out so much against a white menubar. It will literally be staring you in the face. Terrible decision. I don’t need 0 bezels. What is the obsession with no bezel?
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The menubar isn't white anymore
 
LarrySW said:
Doubt Apple is going to change their plans based on what we say here.
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"FUUUUUUU stop the assembly line and throw all those away, the MacRumors crowd found out about the notch early and they do NOT like it" 😂
 
LarrySW said:
Even though I am one of the "brain dead" people according to you, my brain just came up with a thought. The apps could simply wrap their menus around the notch if there is too much content in their menu bar to all fit on the left of the notch. I've yet to use an app that took up the entire menu bar but I am brain dead apparently so I may be forgetting it.
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There is definitely some brain dead people around who haven’t used many apps.

Photoshop’s menus cover over half the width of the menu bar on the 13” M1.

If people with poorer vision choose the display resolutions lower than default then Photoshop’s menus cover the whole menu bar. That would also apply to a bigger display such as 14-16”.

Put Safari in full screen mode.

The URL bar would be covered by a notch.

You won’t be able to insert a web address.

There won’t be an iOS like notch on macOS otherwise it breaks the menus and things like URL bars on many apps.
 
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Alan Turing said:
One minute, you all are defending the notch to the death. The next minute, you all are complaining about it. At least be consistent. The notch has always been trash, and it will always be trash. It doesn't matter what device it is on. I appreciate all of the super fans who have actually admitted this. Good on you!!
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Different people have different opinions, e.g. its not _all_ of us going from one position to another, but groups that consistently have a particular opinion.

For me, I've never minded the notch. I understand how Apple could now think it is iconic for the phone and is in no hurry to replace it with some hole punch design or the like.

Having it on the MBP would be... interesting. The menu bar grows from both directions, and I have a feeling this would impact professional apps as well as people who just load up information display menu extras (or just install a lot of third party drivers and other software that want to throw stuff in the equivalent of the Windows Tray aka Junk Drawer).

The developer impacting parts of this haven't really surfaced in Monterey, which really is the only reason I have for doubting the pro notch. We'll know for sure in 36 hours anyway.

I will go ahead and put my money in the pool for Apple calling such a bezel-free notched screen the "infinity display"
 
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Not a big deal for regular desktop work. Looking at that area right now and there's nothing there. Just the empty grey gap between the menus on the left and the icons on the right.

Full screen video though.. hmm..
 
rukia said:
Many teams at big tech (aka "FAANG") companies require cameras to be on during meetings for security purposes. Spies sneaking into online meetings has become a major problem and meeting procedures constantly evolve to crack down on this. Meeting participants who cannot be positively identified are immediately dropped. That being said, most people hate having the camera on and will cut the video feed ASAP. This use case doesn't require image quality as anything recognizable will do. This also applies to online education where the main purpose is to see that students are paying attention.
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but wouldn’t you prefer to look better if you had the option? I always look like I am a ghost on my dell laptop from work as it turns everything super pale
 
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contacos said:
but wouldn’t you prefer to look better if you had the option? I always look like I am a ghost on my dell laptop from work as it turns everything super pale
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Of course but looking better is inversely proportional to resolution. The Dell issue is due to poor ISP algos and color science. As an enthusiast photographer I've found that people complain more about their appearance as detail is increased leading to more effort in post to clean up the portrait. The most important component for looking good on camera is the soft lighting which decreases detail and contrast to hide facial flaws. Increased resolution and lens sharpness is going the wrong way. Now if the new MBP includes a large pop-out softbox we would head in the right direction :)
 
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4jasontv said:
It also made it clear where to run your fingers for the notification and control center gestures, moves status icons out of the way, and makes it easier to tell which side is 'up'.

it was a good design and people rely on these cues. There might be an evolution for it, but it doesn't make sense to get rid of it all at once.
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Or more like people are forced to rely on these cues. Those ain’t exist in a vacuum and compromise has been made. Again, just because most people go with one direction doesn’t make that direction correct.
ellsworth said:
Wow. 34 pages in and we're still talking about this notch? This sketchy last-minute rumor is really making it's rounds.
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Because there are few if any laptop that features such “notch” that protrude downwards into display, effectively eating screen real estate, while potentially weakening screen structural integrity.
 
Shirasaki said:
Or more like people are forced to rely on these cues. Those ain’t exist in a vacuum and compromise has been made. Again, just because most people go with one direction doesn’t make that direction correct.
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Huh???? If you removed the notch they wouldn't have those cues, so what cues would they have?
 
Lounge vibes 05 said:
I swear.
Some people act like Apple is stupid.
Spoiler alert: they’re not.
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Really?
 
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4jasontv said:
Huh???? If you removed the notch they wouldn't have those cues, so what cues would they have?
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Notch is there because under screen camera was not ready in 2017. Already back then it was quite controversial. After 4 years not much discussion cause people have moved on to something else rather than arguing about notch to no end.

If under screen camera was becoming a reality back in 2017 with a few iterations of android devices already perfecting it, notch might not even be required for iPhone X.

The whole point is, notch is a compromise rather than a deliberate choice of being “good and functional”, more so when other android phone manufacturers moving wild testing out tear drop, under screen camera and so on instead of sticking with notch.
 
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The most delusional response I'm seeing is that Apple ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to stand out from the rest of the laptop crowd, so the solution? Add an objectively awful design feature to the screen???

Apple tried to stand out with the trash can Mac Pro.
Apple tried to stand out with the 12" single port MacBook
Apple tried to stand out with the ultra thin, butterfly keyboard, touchbar MacBook Pros

and the result? Apple had to come out and reassure Mac users that they hadn't given up on the Mac, backtracked on a lot of their mistakes and made the unprecedented move of APOLOGIZING for the failure of the Mac Pro.

This isn't the time for gimmicks or "STANDING OUT". Just make a solid product with no compromises. Which I'm feeling certain Apple is focused on doing.

Also as Apple is in the process of trying to minimize the notch as much as possible from the iPhone, with that rumored hole punch in 1-2 years. why would Apple add it to their laptops, which keep their designs for 4-5 years??
 
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I wonder if the event today will get more pages then this one , probably around the same amount which is just sad.
 
4jasontv said:
It also made it clear where to run your fingers for the notification and control center gestures, moves status icons out of the way, and makes it easier to tell which side is 'up'.

it was a good design and people rely on these cues. There might be an evolution for it, but it doesn't make sense to get rid of it all at once.
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Alright I’ll bite. That entire notification-control panel bifurcation sucks ass. It’s ****. Awful.
Swiping from the left sucks on larger phones and disabling the in-app control panel option in order to enable the Notification Center to be accessed from either direction also sucks, because then I cannot access the control panel from an App. In Android, accessing both is quite simple - with one swipe from either left or right.

What’s worse is that I cannot swipe from halfway the distance to the top of the display as a shortcut to swiping down & accessing the Notification Center like on the Home Screen with Android. This is invaluable in the age of larger phones and really is practical even in a world of their absence.


Finally, the whole Lock Screen = stylistically homomorphic to the swipe down Notification Center of sorts is ****ing asinine, it frequently renders text illegible and marred by the background. I don’t want to see my background again, I want to view and manage (delete, take me to their respective applications) separable notifications. Craig Federighi is a moron and of the reasons to prefer a notch embedded in the display this whole “it gives the users a UI affordance for notifications and control panel gestures!” is not only asinine in and of itself but elides a larger issue with said UX to begin with.
 
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