MacBook Pro Display With Notch Shown in Alleged Photo Leak

[MobiusStrip]

Jony Ive was a pompous hack who degraded Apple's entire product line. Look at the disgraceful emoji bar and "butterfly" keyboards.

If Apple shìtcans the emoji bar but introduces a "notch," computing will have completed its circle and returned to the realm of hobbyists and scientists. That means Linux, because Windows and the Mac are done.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

Maybe I’m sadistic, but I hope this leak turns out to be true so I can witness the collective meltdown on these forums over a notched MacBook.

Don’t worry, you’re not the only one!

TC Monday evening:

 

[Steve121178]

Jony Ive was a pompous hack who degraded Apple's entire product line. Look at the disgraceful emoji bar and "butterfly" keyboards.

If Apple shìtcans the emoji bar but introduces a "notch," computing will have completed its circle and returned to the realm of hobbyists and scientists. That means Linux, because Windows and the Mac are done.

The butterfly keyboards were probably cheaper to make. Apple is run by bean counters, not designers. People need to understand this.

 

[AgentMcGeek]

Everybody is discussing whether or not notch. But ok, if there is a notch, how the heck is menubar going to be handled? Heh?

You mean, “whether or notch”. 😋

 

[skitidetdu]

Sort of hard to understand how big this notch would be from that picture. A notch would interfere with the menu bar, hidden or not.

 

[Ubuntu]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1449316362212438019

Whoah, that could be!

 

[boak]

Notch is there because under screen camera was not ready in 2017. Already back then it was quite controversial. After 4 years not much discussion cause people have moved on to something else rather than arguing about notch to no end.

If under screen camera was becoming a reality back in 2017 with a few iterations of android devices already perfecting it, notch might not even be required for iPhone X.

The whole point is, notch is a compromise rather than a deliberate choice of being “good and functional”, more so when other android phone manufacturers moving wild testing out tear drop, under screen camera and so on instead of sticking with notch.

“Testing out” lol. Thank God Apple is not using consumers as testers.

Under-screen cameras still suck because of haze effect. Apple will not use it because it’s still a very lossy process.

iPhones have at least 2 sensors at the front, even without Face ID, so a tear drop wouldn’t work. So it’s either a pill or a small notch, anyway.

 

[paulsydaus]

That’s awesome. They probably want to keep the design consistent throughout the generation and plan on adding FaceID into that area next year or the year after. I’m really unbothered by it - items will just wrap around it in the Menu Bar. NBD

Why not give us Face ID this year year?

 

[AgentMcGeek]

Because you can’t have a MBP screen as thick as an iPad Pro. Unless you want it to be like an old Surface.

 

[ThatsMeRight]

Why not give us Face ID this year year?

To save costs now and to get people to buy new MacBook Pros in the future.

 

[bobcomer]

but it doesn't make sense to get rid of it all at once.

I did. It only got more annoying to me as time went by and sometimes you have to just stop and do something else.

My top/bottom cue was always the charge port and where the buttons are.

 

[UBS28]

The M1 12.9 iPad Pro remains to be the best in terms of hardware over any Mac laptop then. It also has Face ID but without a notch.

If only Apple allowed the M1 12.9 iPad Pro to run OS X.

 

[ginkobiloba]

Exactly! So much energy is wasted complaining about things that don't matter in the long run, or completely miss the boat with understanding Apple! Don't people think that Apple has done their market research? Gotten feedback from a large test population? Sure, they mess up once in a while, but it's rare.

I say anti-notchers are the same as anti-maskers. Annoying noise and nothing more.

"Don't people think that Apple has done their market research? Gotten feedback from a large test population?"

Apple has NEVER ever done testing on large test population for any piece of hardware in its entire history. That is the polar opposite of what Apple is all about : secrecy.

As for the comparison between anti-maskers and anti-notchers , I'll just say this : One shouldn't post on the Internet while drunk or on heavy drugs.

 

[UBS28]

"Don't people think that Apple has done their market research? Gotten feedback from a large test population?"

Apple has NEVER ever done testing on large test population for any piece of hardware in its entire history. That is the polar opposite of what Apple is all about : secrecy.

As for the comparison between anti-maskers and anti-notchers , I'll just say this : One shouldn't post on the Internet while drunk or on heavy drugs.

It is just typical Apple sheeps here.

The 12.9 M1 iPad Pro also has Face ID but without a notch. So Apple knows a notch is bad.

Now maybe i should stop pointing out the M1 12.9 iPad Pro doesn't have a notch while having Face ID, because else Apple might add a notch on the iPad Pro too, just to be consistent with other Apple devices.

 

[femike]

They can't be serious

 

[Donoban]

A notch on a MacBook is horrible. It’s bad enough that we still have it on the iPhone.

Gawd - strong troll?

 

[applemanit]

I read people saying “if it will have Face ID then it will have a notch”. Why? iPad Pro has faceID and normal bezels.

 

[PsykX]

The screen ratio of the new MBP is not supposed to be 16:9. It's supposed to have more height than this. Maybe the notch is the reason. In other words : a notch wouldn't bother video content at all.

And if the macOS menu bar becomes black (like it already did in Monterey's fullscreen mode), even better. You'll never really see it. I just don't know if an app has many menus, how the ones in the center will fit.

And if it has a notch, it'll 100% have Face ID. A webcam doesn't require a notch, Face ID does. It's also the only possible reason why users accept that the iPhone still has a notch instead of punch holes. And yes I heard it was going to have Touch ID for sure. Maybe both ?

 

[Donoban]

So close to the event! Apple must be pissed if true.

Why post if you don't read or care about replies?

 

[Donoban]

A notch on a MacBook is horrible. It’s bad enough that we still have it on the iPhone.

Look at you fan boy - you're still gonna get one through right? lolz!

Your argument completely ignores the iterative nature of human progress.

Why don't we go straight to intergalactic space travel, it's bad enough that cars and electricity are using fossil fuels.

If this rumour is true, it will occupy part of the toolbar, just like the iPhone, which means more space for user content.

To your post, I don't think you really care - otherwise you wouldn't have bought an iPhone 13.

 

[UBS28]

The screen ratio of the new MBP is not supposed to be 16:9. It's supposed to have more height than this. Maybe the notch is the reason. In other words : a notch wouldn't bother video content at all.

And if the macOS menu bar becomes black, even better. You'll never really see it. I just don't know if an app has many menus, how the ones in the center will fit.

And if it has a notch, it'll 100% have Face ID. A webcam doesn't require a notch, Face ID does. It's also the only possible reason why users accept that the iPhone still has a notch instead of punch holes. And yes I heard it was going to have Touch ID for sure. Maybe both ?

Apple users accept the notch because of the Apple logo on the back.

Apple users even accept the lack of touch ID in the time of a COVID pandemic.

If the iPhone had a Xiaomi sticker on it, the iPhone would not sell that well.

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[fpnc]

At first I thought the concept of a notch was a bad idea. Then, the more I thought about it the more I liked it. I don't know whether the new MacBooks will have a notch, but I now hope that they do and I can even see this coming to the iMac in the future.

There are, however, a few user interface issues. First, they can't allow a simple mouse over or move to enter into the notched area. There should be a virtual top of screen that will align with the normal menu bar so that any mouse gesture toward the top ends up just as it would today, stopped at the top of the menu bar.

So, they will need to implement some kind of modifier key or special mouse action to enable the user to move into the notch area on either side of the camera (if they want to, otherwise mouse behavior and menus would be exactly as they are today). Then, if the user commands to enter the notch area it might even be possible that a drop-down area will appear to cover the normal menu bar which would also allow more room to display items/information. But, once the user moves out of this area with their mouse the normal menu bar will reappear.

As for items that could be placed in the notch, those would likely be system functions like date/time, user name, keyboard selection, sound volume, network/WiFi status, and notifications -- basically everything that currently appears on the far right side of the standard menu bar of today. There would also probably be room to show more specific notification text or reminders (like telling you that you have a meeting scheduled in another ten minutes).

The dimming of the notch area would have to be under the control of the system. It would automatically be blocked out whenever an app requests full screen, so movies would play full screen (but not into the area of the notch, the display area for all apps will still be a perfect rectangle). Not sure what they might do with this area when the system is in sleep mode, but it might remain illuminated to display status and notifications (an option that could be turned on or off by the user).

I think Apple could make this work and it's probably a feature that would be very difficult for anyone else since you really have to control both the hardware and the software to make this work.

So, I'm now a definite "thumbs up" for the notch.

 

[PsykX]

I read people saying “if it will have Face ID then it will have a notch”. Why? iPad Pro has faceID and normal bezels.

Because only Face ID requires a notch. Otherwise a punch hole is fine.

The iPad has great bezels IMO. They're thin, and yet Face ID fits in them.

The pictures shown with a notched MBP has almost no bezels at all.
They could go half way and make a notch that has absolutely no impact at all if there's a small bezel up top and a black menu bar.

 

[boak]

Aren’t the thicker-than-required bezels on the iPad Pro deliberate? They could have easily made the bezel as thin as the iPhone notch height. Not good evidence to argue that Apple knows the notch is bad.

 

[UBS28]

Please don't point out to Apple that the iPad Pro has a Face ID without a notch. I don't want Apple to "fix" the iPad Pro, to make the iPad Pro hideous like their iPhone's (and maybe Mac's too).