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No, I'm a creative professional and therefore I have no concerns on the design of the magic mouse 2. It is quite logical to place the charging port on the bottom so not to spoil the iconic minimalistic design.
Unless you need to use it while it's charging, then it's useless, and you have to dig out a cabled mouse. Then you go buy a BT mouse that can be used while charging. Not being able to use it while charging seems like a design flaw to me.
 
Welcome to the world of the Macintosh turned into a iPhone/iPad. Love my 2019 MacBook Pro with a Intel i9, but is getting pushed back on use with a PC tower with Windows 11 AMD 5900x, Thunderbolt 4, WIFI 6e, 10gb ethernet and 32gb of ram and a Nvidia 3080 TI card. Everything I wanted on a Mac Pro Tower at half the cost of a current Mac Pro tower.
I use my Acer Spin 713 for mobile use with a 11th Gen i5, with gorilla glass, touchscreen and turns into a tablet with a USI pen that only cost $50 not $125, it does everything I need on the go and it only cost $619 with no notch.
I still have my 27" 5K iMac, but I did get rid of my MacBook Pro. I picked up an Acer Swift 7 (2019) and it is unbelievable for what I use it for. It is the thinnest, lightest, 14" laptop on the planet still to this day. And it has a 92% screen to body ratio with no notch. I upgraded it to Windows 11 on day one and haven't had any issues. I do prefer MacOS over Windows if I had to pick one but I do not like the direction Apple is going in right now. That 3080Ti is a beast by the way!!
 
Unless you need to use it while it's charging, then it's useless, and you have to dig out a cabled mouse. Then you go buy a BT mouse that can be used while charging. Not being able to use it while charging seems like a design flaw to me.
I agree with you 100%. Other than the charging issue, I have zero complaints. I have to believe there is a way to keep the minimalist design of the MM while still allowing it to be charged while in use.
 
Well, just for some fresh news...
The notch message went out faster on the Chinese web (besides, Weibo is in China), and a question about how to comment on the notch had already been on Zhihu (Chinese version of Quora) several days ago. Currently, several (>3) people are already posting anonymous posts stating that they are involved in processing new MBP and can confirm that there is a notch without Face ID. Just pick one post and translated it: (published several days ago)

In addition, in the comments, he explained why the machine is heavy:

BTW, another anonymous person also mentioned that the machine seems to be facing production problems as the new manufacturer procedure is not very stable...
The battery part is definitely fake, the 16” MacBook already has the biggest battery allowed on a plane.
 
Notch is there because under screen camera was not ready in 2017. Already back then it was quite controversial. After 4 years not much discussion cause people have moved on to something else rather than arguing about notch to no end.

If under screen camera was becoming a reality back in 2017 with a few iterations of android devices already perfecting it, notch might not even be required for iPhone X.

The whole point is, notch is a compromise rather than a deliberate choice of being “good and functional”, more so when other android phone manufacturers moving wild testing out tear drop, under screen camera and so on instead of sticking with notch.
There was value to the notch because it would have been confusing to lose the home button and not give other visual cues to the user. The notch replaced the home button and helped introduces location based gestures.
Alright I’ll bite. That entire notification-control panel bifurcation sucks ass. It’s ****. Awful.
Swiping from the left sucks on larger phones and disabling the in-app control panel option in order to enable the Notification Center to be accessed from either direction also sucks, because then I cannot access the control panel from an App. In Android, accessing both is quite simple - with one swipe from either left or right.

What’s worse is that I cannot swipe from halfway the distance to the top of the display as a shortcut to swiping down & accessing the Notification Center like on the Home Screen with Android. This is invaluable in the age of larger phones and really is practical even in a world of their absence.


Finally, the whole Lock Screen = stylistically homomorphic to the swipe down Notification Center of sorts is ****ing asinine, it frequently renders text illegible and marred by the background. I don’t want to see my background again, I want to view and manage (delete, take me to their respective applications) separable notifications. Craig Federighi is a moron and of the reasons to prefer a notch embedded in the display this whole “it gives the users a UI affordance for notifications and control panel gestures!” is not only asinine in and of itself but elides a larger issue with said UX to begin with. As I did. It only got more annoying to me as time went by and sometimes you have to just stop and do something else.
All your issues seem to be due to you forcing the device to adapt instead of adapting to the needs of the device. It works fine if you stop trying to change everything.
My top/bottom cue was always the charge port and where the buttons are.
That’s my point. They removed the home button.
 
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Hardly comparable. The worst is you can’t even tape over the notch to disable the camera. Epic fail.

A fail, no, hold on a second, a FAIL of EPIC PROPORTIONS. For YOU.


For others, the result will be an amazing laptop helping to generate record sales and financials for Apple! Again!
 
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Looks like notch has taken over the Mac!

I guess welcome to the new 💻 with a notch!!

Bring back the old Apple team, please. I know they would not have allowed it. Apple look, the Mac in the picture has no notch. Why do you love the notch so much? Just slim down on the bezels… Problem
Solved.

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The classic Steve Jobs days. I miss those times :(
 
There was value to the notch because it would have been confusing to lose the home button and not give other visual cues to the user. The notch replaced the home button and helped introduces location based gestures.
So, based on this, had apple gone under the screen camera, where would the “visual cue” be? iPad Pro doesn’t have such visual cue like a notch, yet we don’t see hundreds of people complaining the lack of the notch, but wonder why MacBook can’t do the same just like iPad Pro.

Yeah yeah we need to hold the iPad and minimum bezel is required otherwise It’s just an accidental touch paradise, but still.
 
So, based on this, had apple gone under the screen camera, where would the “visual cue” be? iPad Pro doesn’t have such visual cue like a notch, yet we don’t see hundreds of people complaining the lack of the notch, but wonder why MacBook can’t do the same just like iPad Pro.

Yeah yeah we need to hold the iPad and minimum bezel is required otherwise It’s just an accidental touch paradise, but still.
I suspect the need for a visual cue is reduced because the width of the display decreases confusion about left and right gestures.
 
933 comments and counting…tomorrow is going to be like Christmas AND the Apocalypse all rolled together. Making extra 🍿🍿🍿 for this one!

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You might need extra butter too!
 
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I don't like the notch in the iPhone at all and have made it imperceptible since introducing this ugliness by adding a black border to the top of the background image.

On the other hand, macOS Finder already has a border: If the camera is really small and seamlessly integrated, it could even fit well in the center.
Nevertheless, the Face ID module is still too big, of course, and would look gross.

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I am also waiting for a camera that is integrated at about eye level of the conversation partner *behind* the screen for FaceTime, so eye contact can always be maintained during FaceTime. Otherwise, people continue to look past each other and never into each other's eyes. Kind of real everyday life ;) After all, one can already see patents from Apple that deal with exactly this topic. A lot of technology will still have to be developed before it can be built into our Macs.
 
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Unless you need to use it while it's charging, then it's useless, and you have to dig out a cabled mouse. Then you go buy a BT mouse that can be used while charging. Not being able to use it while charging seems like a design flaw to me.
It takes two minutes of charging to get nine hours of use and two hours of charging will get you a month. At some point you will stop working… charge it then.

‘If you don’t charge it sometimes the battery eventually drains’ is a silly complaint.
 
I don't like the notch in the phone at all, and made it invisible by adding a black border to the top of the wallpaper.

On the other hand, macOS Finder already has a border: if the camera is really small, this might even fit well in the middle.
But without Face ID, it only makes sense for FaceTime. And the Face ID module is still too big, of course, and would look gross.

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And you get a hole when using apps in full screen?
 
I don't like the notch in the phone at all, and made it invisible by adding a black border to the top of the wallpaper.

On the other hand, macOS Finder already has a border: if the camera is really small, this might even fit well in the middle.
But without Face ID, it only makes sense for FaceTime. And the Face ID module is still too big, of course, and would look gross.

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If you make the entire background black it is easier to see the icons and widgets while increasing battery life.

The punch hole menu bar isn’t a terrible idea since it could also be the menu for camera settings. If the screen was oled you can disable the whole menu bar while apps are in full screen and you would never notice the hole.
 
And you get a hole when using apps in full screen?
Yes, that's the compromise. Personally, I rarely work in full screen even in the creative field, I know PC users do it exclusively.
BTW: In Monterey, in full screen, the menu bar is always visible.
 
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If you make the entire background black it is easier to see the icons and widgets while increasing battery life.

The punch hole menu bar isn’t a terrible idea since it could also be the menu for camera settings. If the screen was oled you can disable the whole menu bar while apps are in full screen and you would never notice the hole.
Yep
 
I suspect the need for a visual cue is reduced because the width of the display decreases confusion about left and right gestures.
But iPhone shares the same shape as iPad yet iPhone somehow need a notch, now MacBook Pro, but magically not iPad Pro. Plus, camera is protruding, so touching camera while holding means you hold it upside down.

Wonder what apple designer is doing here. Just weird.
 
There was value to the notch because it would have been confusing to lose the home button and not give other visual cues to the user. The notch replaced the home button and helped introduces location based gestures.

All your issues seem to be due to you forcing the device to adapt instead of adapting to the needs of the device. It works fine if you stop trying to change everything.

That’s my point. They removed the home button.
I never liked the home button either, but it wasn't annoying. I really don't think the notch is as much a visual cue as you think especially for those like myself that can't stand it. I can't think of anything I did by looking at the notch on my old iPhone.
 
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