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In Monterey, in full screen, the menu bar is always visible.
Therefore, if there is a notch, if you go into full screen, your full screen app will not go into the notch, because that is where the menu bar is. So you’ll have Notch with menu bar, and then a regular display with your full screen apps beneath that.
So basically, you’ll have the regular MacBook Pro 16/10 Display that we have had for years, and then “on top of that” you’ll have extra display.
The notch Area is an *addition* to the regular area, it’s not part of the regular area.
Good clarification!
 
The only problem that I have with the camera hardware: The camera status LED is then probably done by software, and is no longer triggered with the supply voltage of the camera.

This is an innovation for spies, who might now record not just single images (below the perception threshold of the LED), but also video sequences.
 
Dont think you read the post I was replying to
Oh I read it, and you are just wrong.
If these rumors are to be believed, the only behavior the notch will impact is the behavior of the menu bar.
Outside of that:
your full screen apps? Still 16/10 and not impacted by the notch.
HD video? Different aspect ratio, therefore not impacted by the notch.
Photo editing? Not impacted by the notch, and only available in the 16/10 area.
And I guarantee you that an hour after the machine is released, someone will have already found the terminal command to make the computer act like a previous generation MacBook Pro and completely disable the notch area if you’re that worried about it
 
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Oh I read it, and you are just wrong.
If these rumors are to be believed, the only behavior the notch will impact is the behavior of the menu bar.
Outside of that:
your full screen apps? Still 16/10 and not impacted by the notch.
HD video? Different aspect ratio, therefore not impacted by the notch.
Photo editing? Not impacted by the notch, and only available in the 16/10 area.
And I guarantee you that an hour after the machine is released, someone will have already found the terminal command to make the computer act like a previous generation MacBook Pro and completely disable the notch area if you’re that worried about it
Yeah, no. I was talking about the hole design, not the notch. You keep explaining to me the notch design I understood since yesterday LOL
 
And I guarantee you that an hour after the machine is released, someone will have already found the terminal command to make the computer act like a previous generation MacBook Pro and completely disable the notch area if you’re that worried about it

Yep.

Don't like the notch? Set the resolution to 3024x1890 or 3456x2160. There, no notch.
 
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Man.. I _hate_ the notch with a passion.

However...

Below is a screenshot of my menu bar on my Mac where the notch would reside.

As you can see there's nothing there at all.

Therefore the notch won't be in the way, and if one has a black or dark menu bar, it won't even be really visible

So another way to look at it is to say - Apple moved the menu bar up into what used to be the bezel of the screen, so you have more screen real estate for everything not the menu bar.

Sigh - I guess the notch on the Mac makes way more sense than it does on the iPhone.

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So, based on this, had apple gone under the screen camera, where would the “visual cue” be? iPad Pro doesn’t have such visual cue like a notch, yet we don’t see hundreds of people complaining the lack of the notch, but wonder why MacBook can’t do the same just like iPad Pro.

Yeah yeah we need to hold the iPad and minimum bezel is required otherwise It’s just an accidental touch paradise, but still.
The iPad doesn’t have a fixed orientation of use. It’s not like it has an earpiece that needs to be at the top. Aside from the earpiece the notch on the phone only serves to help one orientate the phone so the notch is not in the way of on-screen controls at the bottom of the screen. But since Apple doesn’t let the phone UI rotate this way it’s kind of redundant other than stopping you from picking up the phone upside down. Otherwise the phone would work in any orientation like the iPads or previous iPhones.
 
Wonder why prominent leakers such as Mark Gurman and DylanDkt have avoided any mention of the notch. Surely that would be an important mention with such a large change in design?
 
Ultra paranoid windows users (scared of malware using the camera recording them) already put tape over the web camera. Apple wanted to copy the look. Hahahahaha
 
Yeah, no. I was talking about the hole design, not the notch. You keep explaining to me the notch design I understood since yesterday LOL

Changing the word notch to hole doesn't change the explanation you were given, nor the validity of the answer. Whether you are in full screen or not, the notch/hole would not be visible. So the answer to your original comment of...

And you get a hole when using apps in full screen?

...is no. No you won't get a "hole" since the "usable" part of your display won't reach the notch/hole. "Full screen" and "hole" aren't correlative.
 
What I don’t understand is why someone is complaining when you can simply buy another laptop.

I am not complaining, just for the record. I am excited for whatever the next iteration on the MB Pro is going to be.

However, if I was unhappy...my entire business workflow is predicated upon the Mac ecosystem right now and simply "buying another laptop" would not be practical. Buying a non-MB Pro is not practical. Therefore if this laptop is released and I don't like the notch, I don't have another choice. Not quite as straightforward as you were stating it. However, I would also say that even in my case complaining about it is a strange way to feel better. Right or wrong, for some people they feel like their only outlet is to complain about things that don't meet their preferences. Not me, but I guess to each their own...
 
Stop thinking that there is a notch taking away screen real estate, instead, think that there is now new screen real estate (divided by the camera) that used to be a black bezel…
We have a winner!
 
Stop thinking that there is a notch taking away screen real estate, instead, think that there is now new screen real estate (divided by the camera) that used to be a black bezel…
We have a winner!
Apple bought lcd panels of a certain resolution and literally removed pixels from them with the notch.
 
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Stop thinking that there is a notch taking away screen real estate, instead, think that there is now new screen real estate (divided by the camera) that used to be a black bezel…
We have a winner!
Depends if you're a glass half full or half empty person. The notch doesn’t bother me much if it is implemented properly in software and unobtrusive to the experience.
 
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Depends if you're a glass half full or half empty person. The notch doesn’t bother me much if it is implemented properly in software and unobtrusive to the experience.
Yep. I’m worried that Apple will push down the menu bar and make that area clickable which means usability issues with the menu bar.

Still if its handled well it wont bother me.

I’m buying a NotchBook regardless.
 
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Could that just be a sign of Apple doing a better job keeping a lid on things?
I’m not sure how the rumor media supposedly missed the notched displays in the leaked quanta schematic documents then remembered as soon as the notch was suggested again.


 
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