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MacBook Pro Speed Bump

Well I just took my 6th MBP back today on the 14th day when I heard about the upgrades. The main reason for this was I assumed that the newer MBP's would not have the issues also I wanted to get a refund as the top model was now £80 cheaper.

Well what a fun time I had. They agreed that my machine should be replaced because it had the whine and the mooing problem. They allowed me to upgrade to the 2.16 from 2.00 and they refunded the price difference. They also allowed me to upgrade to the 7200 HDD at no extra cost and the assured me that the new machine was from the very latest batch (although I'm not sure I believe this). Because I have already been stung with dead pixels, scratched cases and flickering screens, I choose to unbox in the store before taking it home, when I did this i opened it up and took a good look only to find that the left shift key came off in my hand. The guy behind the counter was as bemused as me. He called his manager over and explained what had happened and that I would now be on my 8th laptop, he suggested that if i wanted to try another machine I should be eligable for a 10% discount. I have taken the discount and walked away with a £1780 laptop for £1400 (including educational discount). Unfortunately I think this machine still has the whining issue but I am very happy with the upgrade and the cash injection.

Even though I am extremely annoyed with the terrible build quality, I cannot fault the London Regent Street Stores staff. They have always been very helpful.
 
tiramisu said:
guys, what do you all think? will apple use merom july/august directly or will we have wait some weeks/months longer cause of e.g. mainboard modification? :rolleyes:
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I think they will because Apple released Core Duo Mac's a day after the Core Duo was released (I think).
My guess is that Intel give Apple about a dozen chips before they even come out to help Apple design their new machines.
 
question

I'm going to be graduating (from highschool) in a little over a week. Aside from that event, my 18th birthday is also this Friday. For the past few months, I've been shopping around for laptops as my graduation/birthday gift. I've always wanted a Mac, so apple.com has been my primary realm of shopping.

I'm a musician, writer, photographer, and lover of all sorts of media. I've been patiently waiting for the MacBook to be released, and alas, here it is. Despite my initial excitement about it's release, I was a bit concerned with the "glossy" screen (as I've noticed a bunch of other people have as well).

I read something earlier today saying that Apple wasn't overly concerned with the glare problem because 1) Most design professionals would be purchasing the MBP and 2) Something about the MacBook giving off more light (or something) and so it wouldn't be as bad.

I didn't fully understand it. My question is this: Should I still plan on going with the MacBook? I don't want to buy something that will be a pain in the butt to use, but Macs have beat out the competition in my mind in terms of creative media.

Any advice would be warmly appreciated.
 
1 whatever you do, don't get first rev of anything
2 if you're concerned about glare, i would just suggest waiting (edit: until you've heard from other uses of MB and their responses)
3 if you went a powerbook in my opinion, it would take care of your needs with what you are doing, and you could probably pick up a bargain from an apple store soon enough (maybe not, i don't know, but i got mine cheaper when the 15'' and 17'' PBs upgraded)
 
good, speed bumps rock.. I bet apple introcuded it quitely so people who bought eariler macbook pro's wont get mad at them...
 
Much FASTER updates!!!

Remember even before the MacBook Pro was released they upgraded the processor options to include the 2.16ghz.

Now that Apple is in the Intel camp the upgrade cycles on components (perhaps not enclosures) are going to get FAR shorter. We Apple users must face the fact that our machines won't be the models that will stick around for 9 months. They will be gone every quarter.

The MacBook Pro's will get all new processors in late summer when the 64bit enable Duos come out that are faster and use less power.

The MacBooks will probably get a bumps as well.

This is good news for Apple but means that our machines will be much less powerful than Apple's latest far, far faster.
 
crees! said:
That's ashame it doesn't work anymore. How bout you return it? Black is better.
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I'm sorry but I'm tired of people saying that items are only obsolete when broken. From the internal dictionary of OS X:

ob-so-lete
adjective
1. no longer produced or used; out of date
verb
cause (a product or idea) to be or become obsolete by replacing it with something new

So yes, it could still be obsolete even if it's working! It is no longer produced because it has been replaced by a new product. It is obsolete. Think before you speak.
 
If the only thing you can find to support your position is the freaking dictionary, you might want to think twice before asking people to think before they speak. :rolleyes: :D
 
fowler. said:
I'm sure it's been posted already, but if you've purchased a MacBook Pro or whatever in the past 10 days, you're entitled to a refund of the difference.

I purchased mine 13 days ago and have a refund waiting for me on my credit card.
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Drat. shipped May 4. Oh well, no free money for me...:(
 
I'm going to be graduating (from highschool) in a little over a week. Aside from that event, my 18th birthday is also this Friday. For the past few months, I've been shopping around for laptops as my graduation/birthday gift. I've always wanted a Mac, so apple.com has been my primary realm of shopping.

I'm a musician, writer, photographer, and lover of all sorts of media. I've been patiently waiting for the MacBook to be released, and alas, here it is. Despite my initial excitement about it's release, I was a bit concerned with the "glossy" screen (as I've noticed a bunch of other people have as well).

I read something earlier today saying that Apple wasn't overly concerned with the glare problem because 1) Most design professionals would be purchasing the MBP and 2) Something about the MacBook giving off more light (or something) and so it wouldn't be as bad.

I didn't fully understand it. My question is this: Should I still plan on going with the MacBook? I don't want to buy something that will be a pain in the butt to use, but Macs have beat out the competition in my mind in terms of creative media
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My advice is go to an Apple store and check out the difference for yourself. It doesn't matter what anyone else says, see if the glare is going to be a problem for you and if the pros outweigh the cons.
 
zync said:
So yes, it could still be obsolete even if it's working! It is no longer produced because it has been replaced by a new product. It is obsolete. Think before you speak.
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It's more nuanced than that. A 2005 car has been replaced by a 2006, but the 2005 is not obsolete, merely superseded. Obsolete implies that a given item is outdated and no longer sufficient to complete the tasks for which it is designed. Things that are simply old, but perfectly adequate and operational, are not obsolete. A 486 or early Pentium computer is obsolete even if functional...a six month old PowerBook G4 is not obsolete.
 
riversky said:
Remember even before the MacBook Pro was released they upgraded the processor options to include the 2.16ghz.

Now that Apple is in the Intel camp the upgrade cycles on components (perhaps not enclosures) are going to get FAR shorter. We Apple users must face the fact that our machines won't be the models that will stick around for 9 months. They will be gone every quarter.

The MacBook Pro's will get all new processors in late summer when the 64bit enable Duos come out that are faster and use less power.

The MacBooks will probably get a bumps as well.

This is good news for Apple but means that our machines will be much less powerful than Apple's latest far, far faster.
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Welcome to the real world. My first Mac was a screaming 35MHz. (yes you read that right) Every time I bought a new computer it wasn't long before something better came along. At first it is frustrating when you buy something and it seems like the very next day something better comes along. (I had that literally happen) but in the end it is great for Apple and for you too. You can buy a far superior computer today than you could back then, and for less money. How is that bad?
 
THX1139 said:
Not me. Those who chose to be early adopters knew the risks for being impatient. You can't buy the first round of computers, and then complain later that the latest machines are faster/better. There are always going to be faster/better machines AND disappointed people who can't wait.

With Apple's new product line, you can expect faster updates; so people better get used to it. Imagine what the complete product line is going to look like a year from now, when we are in 3rd or even 4th revision! All currently selling machines are going to seem like "old technology". I suppose that's Apple's plan to increase revenues. People are going to buy more often; and that means ebay is going to need a special section for all of the used Apple computers that's going to be flooding the market. I just finished reading a post from a guy who's thinking about selling his 3 week old MBP to buy one of the new MacBooks!
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Exactly being patient ain't gonna stop the fact that there will still be new machines out regulary.
I got my iMac Core Duo even though I knew that Core 2 Duo was out in the Summer.
I just figured, "there's always eBay if I want to upgrade"
 
aristobrat said:
If the only thing you can find to support your position is the freaking dictionary, you might want to think twice before asking people to think before they speak. :rolleyes: :D
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I'm sorry what other source on the english language do you suggest I point them to?
 
matticus008 said:
It's more nuanced than that. A 2005 car has been replaced by a 2006, but the 2005 is not obsolete, merely superseded. Obsolete implies that a given item is outdated and no longer sufficient to complete the tasks for which it is designed. Things that are simply old, but perfectly adequate and operational, are not obsolete. A 486 or early Pentium computer is obsolete even if functional...a six month old PowerBook G4 is not obsolete.
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Something that can no longer complete the tasks it was designed for is called broken. Would you say that my old 1968 Mustang, that still drove perfectly was not obsoleted by my 2005 Mustang? If an item is no longer current, it is obsolete. His MBP is not current, it is obsolete.

A 486 is still sufficient to complete its tasks. Most people owning 486's primarily owned them for word processing, and possibly keeping their financial information. They still do that quite well. According to your own statement 486's are not obsolete, yet you say they are. Why? A smaller time frame between items does not mean that obsolescence is not possible. Outdating can occur in a day.

I brought out the dictionary definition of the word. Saying that the word is more "nuanced" than the dictionary definition implies that you are talking about its connotation. I don't care what you think the word means to you. I care about what the word means.
 
zync said:
Something that can no longer complete the tasks it was designed for is called broken. Would you say that my old 1968 Mustang, that still drove perfectly was not obsoleted by my 2005 Mustang? If an item is no longer current, it is obsolete.

I brought out the dictionary definition of the word. Saying that the word is more "nuanced" than the dictionary definition implies that you are talking about its connotation. I don't care what you think the word means to you. I care about what the word means.
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If so, the word you used does not, in any way, apply to the situation. It's useful. It can be used on all programs that the new McBook Pro can use. On many, many tasks, it is just as fast as the new, and the ones where it is slower, the difference is often negligible.

Don't devalue the language.
 
gwangung said:
If so, the word you used does not, in any way, apply to the situation. It's useful. It can be used on all programs that the new McBook Pro can use. On many, many tasks, it is just as fast as the new, and the ones where it is slower, the difference is often negligible.

Don't devalue the language.
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I don't see how I can possibly devalue the language by upholding its integrity.

Again, just because something is useful does not make it obsolete. We use old iMacs (pre UFO) to power our printers for screenprinting, and they are definitely obsolete even when compared to my three year old 1.25GHz PowerBook. They still however do their job well. I already provided the definition, something replaced by something else makes the original something obsolete. The transitive verbal form of the word specifically states that the thing being replaced is even a product or idea.

Obsolete basically means that something is older—but such an easy definition would certainly be devaluing the language, wouldn't it? I have never heard such a ridiculous argument.

And for the record, I was not the person who originally used the word obsolete to describe a MBP, as I do not have one. You people will knock everyone. I was originally trying to defend a person using an english word in the proper manner to describe his 1.83GHz MBP which is no longer produced and thus, as he stated, obsolete.
 
Ok just got back from the Apple store. IF you bought your MBP 1.83 Ghz within the LAST 14 days, you can go there and get a $100 REFUND.
 
tiramisu said:
guys, what do you all think? will apple use merom july/august directly or will we have wait some weeks/months longer cause of e.g. mainboard modification? :rolleyes:
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Apple will announce Merom laptops the same day that Dell/HP/Lenovo/Asus/... announce them.

They can't be seen as falling behind the other Intel shops.

The real question is - does Apple switch everything (MB/MBP/iMac/mini) to Merom on day one?

If they do, Apple can claim an "all 64-bit lineup".... Crank up the hype machines!
 
isn't glossy screen = more chances of getting dead pixels:confused:

correct me if i'm wrong.
 
Y3Z said:
isn't glossy screen = more chances of getting dead pixels:confused:

correct me if i'm wrong.
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Okay, erm, I'm correcting you. Why would you think that? The gloss treatment (X-Brite, Apple's screens, whatever) is just a cover treatment on the outside. AFAIK, it has nothing to do with the LCD deposition process. And therefore no impact on the number of dead pixels.
 
Mitch1984 said:
I think they will because Apple released Core Duo Mac's a day after the Core Duo was released (I think).
My guess is that Intel give Apple about a dozen chips before they even come out to help Apple design their new machines.
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Apple released the Core Duos the following week - very understandable, because
  1. Apple was a PowerPC vendor, it had *no* Intel products in its normal sales channel
  2. The Steve didn't want to share the Yonah announcement stage with Mr. Dell

"About a dozen" chips? LOL. It is so *easy* to get Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest systems right now it is laughable. Intel "samples" hundreds of thousands of early production chips. I can't tell you how many Woodcrest and Conroe systems I have right now without violating my NDA agreement. (Since it could be "0", I don't think that I'm violating anything.)
 
Not Complaining.

A little disappointed by the speed increase considering my Dual 2.0ghz is only two weeks old (Great Machine!). But yeah I understand that Apple needs to do this. However in another 12 months when they really start to boost speeds I might feel a little worse. Would be nice to see apple offer processor upgradable machines. Progressive organisations who want to meet their environmental responsibilties should be producing upgradable products if they are going to become obsolete so quickly. I'd much rather pay $800 AUD in 12 months for a processor upgrade than $4000 for a new computer. But hey maybe it isn't possible?
 
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