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As a sad as it makes me, I have to finally face the damn truth -- having watched this (and several other related threads on several different sites) for months -- there just is no evidence that the near-mythical Arrandale (which is beginning to sound as real to me as The Flying Dutchman itself) is launching this week, next week, or anytime in March, April or May.

Die hard Apple watchers have been predicting June all along... and I'm sick to admit it, but I'm beginning to think they've been right all along.

Primary evidence:
- Amazon... MBP fully in stock, no delays in shipping, almost exact same pricing as three months ago.
- Apple store... Fully in stock, same pricing, ships within 24 hours.
- Tekserve... the bellwether Apple store in NYC: everything that's not customized is 100% in stock and ready to go ASAP.
- Springboard Media... Apple's bellwether store in Philadelphia: 100% in stock, same pricing, and every MBP that's not customized can be gotten almost overnight.

Secondary evidence:
- Every prediction has been wrong. Every Tuesday and Thursday has come and gone with wild fanfare for months... with nothing. Yet STILL everyone insists it's about to arrive. To quote Sherlock Holmes (in the book!), "Watson, when everyone around you is predicting something extraordinary is imminent, you can be sure that it most certainly is not."

Tertiary evidence:
- Apple is focused on one thing and one thing only: the iPad. Second point of focus? iPhone 4G. Through the assessment of sheer corporate and product release logistics, That places the re-intro of the MBP sometime in June, if we're lucky.

I'm sorry to say, and I hate to face the facts... but it looks like the truth.
:mad:

U

I completely agree with you. I have been watching since December. I know that the C2D's would be fine for what I need to do however I am hoping they'll update other things other than the processor, like screen resolution, maybe Blu-ray on the 15" or 17" models? A lower price. I know I am waiting as long as it takes. I'd rather have a 2010 Macbook pro instead of a 2009 mbp anyway. IF they come out in June then so be it, yeah it sucks but as you said all evidence so far points that way ):
 
As a sad as it makes me, I have to finally face the damn truth -- having watched this (and several other related threads on several different sites) for months -- there just is no evidence that the near-mythical Arrandale (which is beginning to sound as real to me as The Flying Dutchman itself) is launching this week, next week, or anytime in March, April or May.

Die hard Apple watchers have been predicting June all along... and I'm sick to admit it, but I'm beginning to think they've been right all along.

Primary evidence:
- Amazon... MBP fully in stock, no delays in shipping, almost exact same pricing as three months ago.
- Apple store... Fully in stock, same pricing, ships within 24 hours.
- Tekserve... the bellwether Apple store in NYC: everything that's not customized is 100% in stock and ready to go ASAP.
- Springboard Media... Apple's bellwether store in Philadelphia: 100% in stock, same pricing, and every MBP that's not customized can be gotten almost overnight.

Secondary evidence:
- Every prediction has been wrong. Every Tuesday and Thursday has come and gone with wild fanfare for months... with nothing. Yet STILL everyone insists it's about to arrive. To quote Sherlock Holmes (in the book!), "Watson, when everyone around you is predicting something extraordinary is imminent, you can be sure that it most certainly is not."

Tertiary evidence:
- Apple is focused on one thing and one thing only: the iPad. Second point of focus? iPhone 4G. Through the assessment of sheer corporate and product release logistics, That places the re-intro of the MBP sometime in June, if we're lucky.

I'm sorry to say, and I hate to face the facts... but it looks like the truth.
:mad:

U

In all honesty, this evidence is compelling and you may be correct - despite the wants of everyone in this thread. However, I have to counter pieces of your evidence with personal experience.

In February 2008 my car was broken into and my year-old MBP was stolen. With no computer and the pressing need to repurchase, I went to the Apple store and bought the high-end 15" MBP. Though I didn't do much investigation into rumors then, I was sure the MBP wasn't near an update - the Apple store had all of their models in stock and showed no signs of change... The next morning when I logged onto apple.com it showed the newest update of MBPs!

Though I went to the store and switched with no problem, the point of this story is that Apple isn't one to be low on their own inventory or show any signs of an update coming; they operate the same months before as they do days before... People have been watching for a surge in Refurb MBP's or MP's but this is unlikely to happen because Apple doesn't custimarily place their stock into sale prior to the release.

I've decided to wait because I'm the type of person who will regret my purchase if an update is relased shortly after, even if the computer fully meets my expectations.
 
In all honesty, this evidence is compelling and you may be correct - despite the wants of everyone in this thread. However, I have to counter pieces of your evidence with personal experience.

In February 2008 my car was broken into and my year-old MBP was stolen. With no computer and the pressing need to repurchase, I went to the Apple store and bought the high-end 15" MBP. Though I didn't do much investigation into rumors then, I was sure the MBP wasn't near an update - the Apple store had all of their models in stock and showed no signs of change... The next morning when I logged onto apple.com it showed the newest update of MBPs!

Though I went to the store and switched with no problem, the point of this story is that Apple isn't one to be low on their own inventory or show any signs of an update coming; they operate the same months before as they do days before... People have been watching for a surge in Refurb MBP's or MP's but this is unlikely to happen because Apple doesn't custimarily place their stock into sale prior to the release.

I've decided to wait because I'm the type of person who will regret my purchase if an update is relased shortly after, even if the computer fully meets my expectations.
This is agreeable.

It's interesting that people on this forum are suggesting that a MacBook Pro release is somehow going to disrupt iPad sales. I'm no expert, but common sense dictates that releasing a MacBook Pro shortly after the iPad pre-order date will do nothing but further increase the iPad sales.

Let's look at the timeline:

  • iPad is announced
  • Everyone on the Internet mocks the pointlessness of the iPad
  • iPad becomes available for pre-order
  • iPad pre-order takes advantage of those willing to pre-order—that is, great sales for the first few days, then it dies off
  • MacBook Pro gets updated shortly thereafter; there's a rush of people (who didn't pre-order) coming to the Apple Store to upgrade, and while they're there: "Hey! I see you're buying yourself a MacBook Pro. You know, if you want to top that off with an iPad, I'll let you save 10%." "Giggedy."
 
As a sad as it makes me, I have to finally face the damn truth -- having watched this (and several other related threads on several different sites) for months -- there just is no evidence that the near-mythical Arrandale (which is beginning to sound as real to me as The Flying Dutchman itself) is launching this week, next week, or anytime in March, April or May.

Die hard Apple watchers have been predicting June all along... and I'm sick to admit it, but I'm beginning to think they've been right all along.

Primary evidence:
- Amazon... MBP fully in stock, no delays in shipping, almost exact same pricing as three months ago.
- Apple store... Fully in stock, same pricing, ships within 24 hours.
- Tekserve... the bellwether Apple store in NYC: everything that's not customized is 100% in stock and ready to go ASAP.
- Springboard Media... Apple's bellwether store in Philadelphia: 100% in stock, same pricing, and every MBP that's not customized can be gotten almost overnight.

Secondary evidence:
- Every prediction has been wrong. Every Tuesday and Thursday has come and gone with wild fanfare for months... with nothing. Yet STILL everyone insists it's about to arrive. To quote Sherlock Holmes (in the book!), "Watson, when everyone around you is predicting something extraordinary is imminent, you can be sure that it most certainly is not."

Tertiary evidence:
- Apple is focused on one thing and one thing only: the iPad. Second point of focus? iPhone 4G. Through the assessment of sheer corporate and product release logistics, That places the re-intro of the MBP sometime in June, if we're lucky.

I'm sorry to say, and I hate to face the facts... but it looks like the truth.
:mad:

U

Sadly, I have come to the same conclusion, at least for this month. I have waited to make a move from a aging PC but the clock is ticking and I need to make a move very soon. All this is secrecy, product priority, and maintaining original pricing to maximize profits, is starting to take its toll. If they are not out very soon I will liking be upgrading my PC's to a new PC's instead. With over a 40% profit margin for the company and owning 90% of the over $1,000 computer market, I do not think they will miss my business
 
Student Pricing

I`ve been hearing stuff about the student discount Apple gives going away at some point in the year. Is this true or can you get the student discount any time
 
Just clicked over to 12midnight in America - and it appears the Apple store is still up - therefore I don't think the MBP refresh is today :( :( :(

I may have to buy the current MBP and probably won't ever know what I am missing as I have never had a mac before and am not very technical - therefore does it really matter??? :confused:
 
Just clicked over to 12midnight in America - and it appears the Apple store is still up - therefore I don't think the MBP refresh is today :( :( :(

I may have to buy the current MBP and probably won't ever know what I am missing as I have never had a mac before and am not very technical - therefore does it really matter??? :confused:

It's just after 9PM Monday night on the west coast...I wouldn't expect the site to go down for an update the minute it hits midnight on the east coast - it's still just as likely that it's today (Tuesday) as it ever was.

If the current model suits your needs (it more than likely exceeds every expectation you have) then go ahead and buy the current model. If you're not concerned about having the latest technology then this model is already a great machine. The only changes are likely to be CPU and GPU.
 
It's just after 9PM Monday night on the west coast...I wouldn't expect the site to go down for an update the minute it hits midnight on the east coast - it's still just as likely that it's today (Tuesday) as it ever was.

If the current model suits your needs (it more than likely exceeds every expectation you have) then go ahead and buy the current model. If you're not concerned about having the latest technology then this model is already a great machine. The only changes are likely to be CPU and GPU.

I might hold out then until the west coast reaches 12mid night (sorry for my lack of USA knowledge!) and then if no luck - buy an old (current) MBP on the weekend.

I have been waiting since Sept 2009 and really just want to get sorted now (I have 4000 O'S holiday snaps to review, edit and print!) - I did think if new technology was coming I should wait - but it could be till June - which is really still 3 months away and your right - I am sure I would be more than happy for the current model :p
 
I've been holding out now for a while for the new MBPs. I have an old MBP which is really starting to show its age. In my opinion, holding out on a hardware update much longer is unreasonable on Apple's part. I mean, the Core2 Duo and the GeForce 9600 really aren't competitive anymore performance-wise; especially in the price bracket where the Macbook Pros live. I really wanted to hold out for the update, as the new MBP holds the only reasonable hope of being an optimus capable non-windows machine. However, if the update doesn't happen until June, it makes more sense for me (and perhaps a few others here) to just update to another machine. I think my plan will be to wait until Ubuntu 10.04 is released, and if the new macs aren't available by then, I'll just buy a nice PC and slap Ubuntu on it. Also, I may be in the minority on this as well, but I really hope they don't switch over to ATI/AMD for the new MBPs. I like the idea (and the current reviews) behind optimus, and part of the reason I need a new MBP is so that I can do some of my CUDA programming on the go. In that regard, ATI/AMD (even though they've been putting out the highest performing mobile parts for a while now) means a no go for me.
 
Alas 2.0

In all honesty, this evidence is compelling and you may be correct - despite the wants of everyone in this thread. However, I have to counter pieces of your evidence with personal experience.

In February 2008 my car was broken into and my year-old MBP was stolen. With no computer and the pressing need to repurchase, I went to the Apple store and bought the high-end 15" MBP. Though I didn't do much investigation into rumors then, I was sure the MBP wasn't near an update - the Apple store had all of their models in stock and showed no signs of change... The next morning when I logged onto apple.com it showed the newest update of MBPs!


Though I went to the store and switched with no problem, the point of this story is that Apple isn't one to be low on their own inventory or show any signs of an update coming; they operate the same months before as they do days before... People have been watching for a surge in Refurb MBP's or MP's but this is unlikely to happen because Apple doesn't customarily place their stock into sale prior to the release.


I've decided to wait because I'm the type of person who will regret my purchase if an update is released shortly after, even if the computer fully meets my expectations.

Good story. I hope something similar happens this time. If I could be guaranteed a release of Arrandale within a week, I swear I'd put my beloved, battered 3.5 year old MBP out on the street right now (5 flights down, at 12:56 AM, on the corner of 23rd Street & 8th Avenue in NYC) and it would be gone in approximately 15 seconds.

But the big difference this time is the iPad and iPhone 4G... and what "nkezhaya" doesn't understand is that the slim chances of an MBP release soon has nothing to do with Apple not wanting to distract customers from buying the iPad.

Anyone who has worked in a large corporation that deals in software and/or hardware knows that no matter how big, or how powerful, or how global a company is... there's just so much corporate energy & mindshare that can forcefully be put behind the launch of a new product. Launching one GIGANTIC new product (the iPad) is reason enough to sap energy from any new MBP product release for several months, given the chaos of activity around such an event internally: bug fixes, marketing meetings, last minute packaging design changes, launch strategy meetings, ad buys, regional strategic resource/logistics planning, pipeline solidification, ad dollar reallocation, etc., etc., etc... but on top of that, add on the imminent launch of the iPhone 4G?

Forget it. There's just so many battles an army or corporation can fight or "prosecute" effectively at one time, no matter how big it is, how powerful it is, and how much money it has (see: "Iraq" in Wikipedia for details).


Steve Jobs is obsessed with FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS. If Apple tried to effectively launch an Arrandale MBP right now it would be a half-assed effort with only a small fraction of the company actually behind it, with few resources for deep crisis checking, assembling marketing and sales models, mega analytic bug fixes, etc. In the midst of the launch of iPad pre-sales and iPhone 4G ramp-up, it would not only be a wildly ambitious and risky launch... but it goes against every business strategy Jobs has ever written or spoken about.

Add to that Apple's highly-publicized hiring this week of MIT's expert on "wearable" or fully-life-integrated computers, and you can pretty much sniff out that Apple's new strategy is already, implicitly, considering laptops on the cusp of being irrelevant. Hate to say it. But the Beast has its attentions elsewhere. The MBP will be refreshed when it has the space in its head to consider it for fourteen seconds....

And sadly, it seems pretty obvious that's not going to be for a couple of months.
:mad:
 
I'm getting ready to jump ship back to PCs. My first Mac is a C2D from Oct 2006. It's been off warranty and still works, but I'm in need of an upgrade. I will not pay premium price for 2+ year old technology. PC makers have systems that are way powerful and Windows 7 is superior to Vista and is on par with XP. I've just spec'd out a Dell Laptop that is superior and cheaper.

Just to show what I might get soon if there isn't a MBP refresh:

1. XPS i7
2. 15.6"
3. 500 gig HDD
4. 4 gigs of RAM
5. Blu Ray Drive
6. 3 Year Warranty
7. Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit

1648$ Shipped.

Even the highest end configurations for the 15" screen cannot match the above, especially with this cocky attitude with including Blu Ray Support on Apple systems. The closet match in the offering for the 15" MBP comes to 2648$. A thousand bucks more for old tech? Sorry, Apple, I think the iPad shouldn't be blocking release of new machines. Heck, I think the iPad is a worthless product anyway. It's an oversized iPod Touch that has Data Plan offerings.

I don't understand who is buying the current offering of MBP considering how old the tech is and how lacking they are these days. Years ago, I would have said Apple is ahead of the curve with their laptops. Now? Nope. These people that are buying the current offering are blind to what their getting in comparison from PC Makers.
:rolleyes:
 
what I really want

turns out it was a hoax i guess, i'm really waiting to buy a 15'' macbook pro with 320gb ssd, 8gb ram, i7 quad core, to even make the deal sweeter blu-ray drive, oh and 1gb dedicated ram to video card someone please let me know when apple is ready to sell me one of these. I bought a ipad to hold me up until apple manufactures this monster.
 
I don't understand who is buying the current offering of MBP considering how old the tech is and how lacking they are these days. Years ago, I would have said Apple is ahead of the curve with their laptops. Now? Nope. These people that are buying the current offering are blind to what their getting in comparison from PC Makers.
:rolleyes:

It certainly is a fair criticism of current buyers. I imagine most probably aren't the least bit concerned over how old the technology is so long as it still does the very basic computing tasks that most people use computers for. The difference between this generation MBP and the next for simple web browsing, simple document creation, e-mail, and simple photo editing really probably won't be that noticeable to the average user. So, for those that don't care about the tech inside this generation is fine. For those intrigued either by the "class" factor of a mac, or the purported ease of use won't see an update tomorrow or in June as being that big of a deal.

I think maybe a more objective look at the Mac/PC debate should perhaps give more consideration to the rate of tech evolution. Macs are slow to evolve, but with the competition of multiple PC manufacturers each is constantly attempting to add some feature to distinguish it in the market place, accordingly you see new tech pop up in PCs first, and upon proven success it might migrate to Mac. This also results in PCs being less expensive because there is more competition for similarly spec'd machines. Mac's enjoy being isolated by their OS, and if you want the Mac experience you'll pay for it.

Windows 7 is a good leap from Vista. No OS is perfect, and that includes OS X and anyone that has endured that stupid spinning beach ball can relate to that. For people who are a bit more technologically minded, Windows 7 is fine. It is a Windows OS so there are vulnerabilities to it, but running AVG and not being stupid goes a long way towards avoiding those troubles.

For the moment we've reached a point where I think anyone who objectively considers the options could find merit to a high end PC or a Mac as having a very similar consumer experience. An update here or there will swing it back and forth, but a lot of it now is personal preference. I reserve that to apply only to high end PCs as cheaper ones tend to suffer cheaper parts to keep the price down and long term reliability suffers. But, if you pay for a good PC, or a good Mac (which arguably is the only type) you'll probably be just fine and enjoy your computer for what most people use them for these days, playing farmville.

22.5 hours left of Tuesday, 22.5 hours left for Apple to convince me to part ways with $1500 or so. Guess we'll see!
 
I'm getting ready to jump ship back to PCs. My first Mac is a C2D from Oct 2006. It's been off warranty and still works, but I'm in need of an upgrade. I will not pay premium price for 2+ year old technology. PC makers have systems that are way powerful and Windows 7 is superior to Vista and is on par with XP. I've just spec'd out a Dell Laptop that is superior and cheaper.

Just to show what I might get soon if there isn't a MBP refresh:

1. XPS i7
2. 15.6"
3. 500 gig HDD
4. 4 gigs of RAM
5. Blu Ray Drive
6. 3 Year Warranty
7. Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit

1648$ Shipped.

Even the highest end configurations for the 15" screen cannot match the above, especially with this cocky attitude with including Blu Ray Support on Apple systems. The closet match in the offering for the 15" MBP comes to 2648$. A thousand bucks more for old tech? Sorry, Apple, I think the iPad shouldn't be blocking release of new machines. Heck, I think the iPad is a worthless product anyway. It's an oversized iPod Touch that has Data Plan offerings.

I don't understand who is buying the current offering of MBP considering how old the tech is and how lacking they are these days. Years ago, I would have said Apple is ahead of the curve with their laptops. Now? Nope. These people that are buying the current offering are blind to what their getting in comparison from PC Makers.
:rolleyes:


i must say i completly agree as much as i love macs i was taking a look at the hp envy limited edition with beats by dre and that is almost a dream machine although they killed the deal when they didn't put a built in disc drive. But for apple to be taking so long on the MBP updates must mean they have something under their sleeve.
 
i must say i completly agree as much as i love macs i was taking a look at the hp envy limited edition with beats by dre and that is almost a dream machine although they killed the deal when they didn't put a built in disc drive. But for apple to be taking so long on the MBP updates must mean they have something under their sleeve.

I seriously hope so. I don't have much patience anymore nor do I find the Apple style of not keeping consumers in the loop amusing for product updates.
 
Good story. I hope something similar happens this time. If I could be guaranteed a release of Arrandale within a week, I swear I'd put my beloved, battered 3.5 year old MBP out on the street right now (5 flights down, at 12:56 AM, on the corner of 23rd Street & 8th Avenue in NYC) and it would be gone in approximately 15 seconds.

But the big difference this time is the iPad and iPhone 4G... and what "nkezhaya" doesn't understand is that the slim chances of an MBP release soon has nothing to do with Apple not wanting to distract customers from buying the iPad.

Anyone who has worked in a large corporation that deals in software and/or hardware knows that no matter how big, or how powerful, or how global a company is... there's just so much corporate energy & mindshare that can forcefully be put behind the launch of a new product. Launching one GIGANTIC new product (the iPad) is reason enough to sap energy from any new MBP product release for several months, given the chaos of activity around such an event internally: bug fixes, marketing meetings, last minute packaging design changes, launch strategy meetings, ad buys, regional strategic resource/logistics planning, pipeline solidification, ad dollar reallocation, etc., etc., etc... but on top of that, add on the imminent launch of the iPhone 4G?

Forget it. There's just so many battles an army or corporation can fight or "prosecute" effectively at one time, no matter how big it is, how powerful it is, and how much money it has (see: "Iraq" in Wikipedia for details).


Steve Jobs is obsessed with FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS. If Apple tried to effectively launch an Arrandale MBP right now it would be a half-assed effort with only a small fraction of the company actually behind it, with few resources for deep crisis checking, assembling marketing and sales models, mega analytic bug fixes, etc. In the midst of the launch of iPad pre-sales and iPhone 4G ramp-up, it would not only be a wildly ambitious and risky launch... but it goes against every business strategy Jobs has ever written or spoken about.

Add to that Apple's highly-publicized hiring this week of MIT's expert on "wearable" or fully-life-integrated computers, and you can pretty much sniff out that Apple's new strategy is already, implicitly, considering laptops on the cusp of being irrelevant. Hate to say it. But the Beast has its attentions elsewhere. The MBP will be refreshed when it has the space in its head to consider it for fourteen seconds....

And sadly, it seems pretty obvious that's not going to be for a couple of months.
:mad:

What you're suggesting is ludicrous.

Firstly, you aren't the first to completely ignore the fact that approximately 30% of Apple's revenue is generated by their laptops.

Do you really think that Apple is going to dedicate the entire company to the iPad development? I don't know how you could possibly come to that conclusion.

Corporations have divisions that work on individual projects. The amount of effort required to update the laptops (30% of revenue) doesn't even compare to the amount of effort required to completely develop a new product line (<30% of revenue).
 
I ordered an HP Envy Beats Edition also. Hopefully a new release of the Macbook Air or at least Macbook Pro 13 will be released before my 30-day return window.

Speaking of Macbook Pro, is there a chance that a new version will also be released? The fact that the current version only has 2GB RAM and one USB has prevented me from pulling the trigger on one...
 
As a sad as it makes me, I have to finally face the damn truth -- having watched this (and several other related threads on several different sites) for months -- there just is no evidence that the near-mythical Arrandale (which is beginning to sound as real to me as The Flying Dutchman itself) is launching this week, next week, or anytime in March, April or May.

Die hard Apple watchers have been predicting June all along... and I'm sick to admit it, but I'm beginning to think they've been right all along.

Primary evidence:
- Amazon... MBP fully in stock, no delays in shipping, almost exact same pricing as three months ago.
- Apple store... Fully in stock, same pricing, ships within 24 hours.
- Tekserve... the bellwether Apple store in NYC: everything that's not customized is 100% in stock and ready to go ASAP.
- Springboard Media... Apple's bellwether store in Philadelphia: 100% in stock, same pricing, and every MBP that's not customized can be gotten almost overnight.

Secondary evidence:
- Every prediction has been wrong. Every Tuesday and Thursday has come and gone with wild fanfare for months... with nothing. Yet STILL everyone insists it's about to arrive. To quote Sherlock Holmes (in the book!), "Watson, when everyone around you is predicting something extraordinary is imminent, you can be sure that it most certainly is not."

Tertiary evidence:
- Apple is focused on one thing and one thing only: the iPad. Second point of focus? iPhone 4G. Through the assessment of sheer corporate and product release logistics, That places the re-intro of the MBP sometime in June, if we're lucky.

I'm sorry to say, and I hate to face the facts... but it looks like the truth.
:mad:'

sorry quoted the wrong thread and had to correct to early in the morning to sort properly! :p

Just looked at Amazon in the Uk:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=macbook+pro&x=0&y=0

Only a couple of versions are available from amazon direct (the rest are from 'other retailers'

They have the base 13 inch and only 2 17 inch in stock. The rest are all from other sellers.

I guess it boils down to nobody knows, if your a half full type of person then the release is soon, if your a half empty its miles away.
 
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Something tells me that we wont see updates 'till this June. Ive had money in hand since this last December, which started enough for a 15inch and has grown into a fully loaded 17incher. I was recently up at the Tukwilla store, and told by the employees that the Core2Duo was actually the same speed and better for battery life- hence why Apple is sticking with them. Thanks Apple!:cool:
 
the sotre is up.. no update today i guess
i think im goign to block my semf from checking this forum cause i am going crazy and anyway is not comming out anytime soon..
 
Helllo, first message from a french mac user desperatly in need for a refreshed mac!

My guess would be an update at the same time steam goes out, in other words after ipad launch in the us (if i'm right).
 
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