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john123 said:
Incidentally, your Windows analogy gets turned on its head since EVERY REVISION OF WINDOWS HAS FUNDAMENTALLY DEPENDED UPON DOS.
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I'm not sure what names to call you but rather than be banned I'll just call you "disingenuous" and look that word up if you have to.

You want classic apps to run? Great, no really! Go on eBay and buy something that will run Classic crapps, er, apps, but whiners, which you may be and their are others need to stop thinking their dim little narrow minds should stand in the way of progress because they want their precious calculator from System 6.0 to to run on 10.4 Tiger.

And as a person who has to work on three platforms almost daily, (though I only try to touch only one) and have used computers since 1982 including cobal, fortran, basic, and yes... DOS... you're just plain wrong and looking silly bringing up DOS which isn't in XP or Vista (soon to be). If you're a windoze luser and you want older stuff to run... IT WONT, and they deal with it, and so should you or other Classic peeps. Buy an old machine, save a landfill!

Edit: Can we please get back to talking about and/or drooling over the new Macbooks!!!
 
kingtj said:
No worries. They did this with mine too, but it finally shows that it shipped out as of Friday evening.

They pre-authorize the card(s) you give them for the amount, to make sure it will actually clear. If the available credit is there, then they just let the pre-authorization sit out there and eventually expire itself (returning the credit to your account again), and they don't actually charge the card for the total until the order goes out the door.

(Just make sure you don't charge things to your card(s), forgetting that Apple will soon be charging that total amount, and causing it to get declined at the last minute!)
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thanks man!!i was wondering about that all day.awesome now its just time to wait it some more.thanks again:D
 
john123 said:
Sorry -- you are correct. But through 2000, it did.
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Ummm no.

Windows NT has never been based on DOS. Ever. Windows 2000 is NT 5, not based on DOS. Windows NT 4, also not based on DOS.
 
chaos86 said:
just because you're holding on to software that was made 5 to 10 years ago and you're having trouble making it work on new machines doesnt mean you should whine. thats like trying to play a tape in a modern stereo that came only with a CD player and whining about it. either keep the old stereo or replace your tapes. keep an old mac or replace your apps.

apple shouldnt continue the difficult and expensive task of supporting an OS that was pronounced dead 5 years ago, for a tiny fraction of people who can't let go and move on.

dont get me wrong, i used flash 5 in classic up until about 2 years ago and I was grateful for it, but to expect it to work forever more, let alone 5 full years after it's obsolescence in this fast moving industry, would be ludicrous.
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People have the right to "whine." There are many apps that were great in their day and remain unparalleled today.
 
Photorun said:
I'm not sure what names to call you but rather than be banned I'll just call you "disingenuous" and look that word up if you have to.

... If you're a windoze luser and you want older stuff to run... IT WONT, and they deal with it, and so should you or other Classic peeps. Buy an old machine, save a landfill!
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I feel confident in my Ivy League education and the vocabulary knowledge I have -- thanks though.

Windows user? LOL. Son, I was here on Macrumors long before you were. Your callous disregard for people in the Mac user community is a sad statement indeed. What I am really loving out of all of this is that people have taken my comment out of context and assumed I personally have something in Classic I want or need to run, which I don't. But I know of folks who do, and their needs are very legitimate. Your solution of "buy new hardware" is an atrocious one.
 
john123 said:
Your solution of "buy new hardware" is an atrocious one.
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dammit my records wont play in my ipod and i sold my record player to buy it!

EDIT: and before the reply comes, i know the time between LPs and iTMS is huge compared to the time between os9/ppc and osx/x86, but the two industries move at different paces.
 
Dominatus said:
Ummm no.

Windows NT has never been based on DOS. Ever. Windows 2000 is NT 5, not based on DOS. Windows NT 4, also not based on DOS.
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Okay, you are correct. My bad. So the analogy doesn't apply. Fair enough.

It still doesn't fundamentally alter my original argument, however, which is that there are people who have very specific needs to run types of software....and that Apple has made a large number of "transitions" in the past decade that have made life very difficult on its user base. From 68K to PPC, from OS 9 to OS X, from PPC to Intel...it necessitates a constant upgrade cycle that is not really fair. When legacy support is relatively shortlived, it makes life very difficult on users -- especially when there are often not options for the "new" hardware/software to have all the functionality that the legacy hw/sw did. That's all.
 
1dterbeest said:
Aw, no classic means i won't be
able to play original quake anymore

Windows NT 4.0 = best microsoft OS ever
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Or, any of the apps that were in Classic in the installer. So consider some of them that had a Carbon patch later on. You can't install them to even *get* to the Carbon patch. There are, of course, the various 3rd party options...but I find it objectionable that you have to turn to third party options for such core support.
 
OK I am going to rant....

I have called my local Apple reseller and have been told yet again that the CTOs are lagging behind and that I can expect my MBP in 3-4 weeks. So I am looking at END OF MARCH OR EARLY APRIL.

So someone has to stop me or else I am going to cancel my order from frustration. I ordered the damned thing on 11th Jan at 9.00am..that is the earliest I could...

So I think I am going to cancel it... I've had enough... I may as well wait for REV B...

If anyone from iQ Jersey is on this forum, give me a damned good reason not to please.
 
jacobj said:
OK I am going to rant....

I have called my local Apple reseller and have been told yet again that the CTOs are lagging behind and that I can expect my MBP in 3-4 weeks. So I am looking at END OF MARCH OR EARLY APRIL.

So someone has to stop me or else I am going to cancel my order from frustration. I ordered the damned thing on 11th Jan at 9.00am..that is the earliest I could...

So I think I am going to cancel it... I've had enough... I may as well wait for REV B...

If anyone from iQ Jersey is on this forum, give me a damned good reason not to please.
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I don't think it's fair to blame this on iQ, especially since Apple are renouned for screwing the re-sellers over untill they have stocked up all of the Apple Stores, making much more profit than they do from re-sellers.... I think your real complaint should lie with Apple.
 
Out for Delivery.

Mine is out for delivery.:D
 

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firebox said:
I don't think it's fair to blame this on iQ, especially since Apple are renouned for screwing the re-sellers over untill they have stocked up all of the Apple Stores, making much more profit than they do from re-sellers.... I think your real complaint should lie with Apple.
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I don't deny that and I don't blame iQ. I never said I did. But the frustration is the same regardless of who is to blame. I need a more powerful machine, but my excitement at getting the MBP is long dead. Now I am just thinking that I will bed in with my PB and wait for Merom and DL SDs.
 
Woo hoo!

Mine's arrived - I must admit I was expecting a bit of a sense of anti-climax after all the anticipation, but this is one beautiful piece of kit.

And Photo Booth is the perfect app to show workmates what's so special about Macs!
 
jacobj said:
I don't deny that and I don't blame iQ. I never said I did. But the frustration is the same regardless of who is to blame. I need a more powerful machine, but my excitement at getting the MBP is long dead. Now I am just thinking that I will bed in with my PB and wait for Merom and DL SDs.
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With the current state of affairs with Apple's service to our apparently non-important little island, it sounds to me like you were all set up for dissapointment from day one.. I have resigned myself to being excited about hearing other peoples opinions of the machine for now, at least then i will get a nice suprise when it does finally show up!

Do yourself AND iQ a favour and vent your frustration at Apple, i know iQ do everyday and it's getting to the point where Apple are really taking the p*ss.

I am waiting for mine too, standard 1.87, i'll upgrade it when it gets here so at least i'll get one of the first and be able to keep the HD etc. that i take out and replace and the warranty, have you thought about doing this ? it may well cut your wait down....Unless of course you require the extra vRam...

I know it sucks but that's the way it is right now...The fact is - Apple is a business, and all busineses are b******s sometimes!
 
firebox said:
With the current state of affairs with Apple's service to our apparently non-important little island, it sounds to me like you were all set up for dissapointment from day one.. I have resigned myself to being excited about hearing other peoples opinions of the machine for now, at least then i will get a nice suprise when it does finally show up!

Do yourself AND iQ a favour and vent your frustration at Apple, i know iQ do everyday and it's getting to the point where Apple are really taking the p*ss.

I am waiting for mine too, standard 1.87, i'll upgrade it when it gets here so at least i'll get one of the first and be able to keep the HD etc. that i take out and replace and the warranty, have you thought about doing this ? it may well cut your wait down....Unless of course you require the extra vRam...

I know it sucks but that's the way it is right now...The fact is - Apple is a business, and all busineses are b******s sometimes!
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You still haven't given me a reason not to cancel my order and wait. I know what you are saying, but I refuse to lower my expectations in order to meet a company's customer service levels. I expect good service and Apple are not giving that. If they really think that a 3 month wait is completely acceptable then so be it, but I don't have to.

I really am thinking of going one step further and cancelling my order, waiting for Vista and then deciding on what to do. This is not the first time that Apple have provided incredibly poor service and I am tired of it. At least in the Windows world I am not reliant on one producer or supplier for my hardware. If one screws me then I switch to another.

I really am that frustrated and yes the daily use of OSX is far better than Windows, but none of that is worth the sh*t I have to deal with everytime I need a new machine. It is point blank unacceptable and it is therefore time to move on and leave the Apple hype machine behind.

Edit: So OK I probably won't switch to Vista, but only probably. I am still open to the idea. But it bugs the sh*t out of me that I can't punish Apple in some small way for treating me like cr*p...
 
jacobj said:
You still haven't given me a reason not to cancel my order and wait. I know what you are saying, but I refuse to lower my expectations in order to meet a company's customer service levels. I expect good service and Apple are not giving that. If they really think that a 3 month wait is completely acceptable then so be it, but I don't have to.

I really am thinking of going one step further and cancelling my order, waiting for Vista and then deciding on what to do. This is not the first time that Apple have provided incredibly poor service and I am tired of it. At least in the Windows world I am not reliant on one producer or supplier for my hardware. If one screws me then I switch to another.

I really am that frustrated and yes the daily use of OSX is far better than Windows, but none of that is worth the sh*t I have to deal with everytime I need a new machine. It is point blank unacceptable and it is therefore time to move on and leave the Apple hype machine behind.
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I don't intend on giving you a reason not to cancel, that would be your decision, i am merely discussing the reality of the situation, and what we should REALISTICLALLY expect from Apple with things the way they stand right now, and again i think your frustration would be better directed at Apple... You never know, a phonecall from you, expressing your past experiences and dissatisfaction could be the final push they need to sort it out..

As for myself, i am more than happy to wait it out, i never expected any different... As for ever switching back to Windows, i worked with it, at various levels of Network administration and music production for 10 years and switched to OSX permenently within a week! It would take a hell of a lot more than a few weeks delay to send me back over to the dark side so good luck with that decision ;)

If you can wait you won't be dissapointed, the speed of those Dual 2.0 intel iMac's is unreal, we had it up against a Quad core G5 w/4gig of ram running Bryce on both machines with the iMac running standard and running Bryce in Rosetta, the Quad was dissapointing and crashed about 5 times throughout the day, the iMac was stunning!!!....Damn i nearly gave you a reason there.. :)
 
firebox said:
I don't intend on giving you a reason not to cancel, that would be your decision, i am merely discussing the reality of the situation, and what we should REALISTICLALLY expect from Apple with things the way they stand right now, and again i think your frustration would be better directed at Apple... You never know, a phonecall from you, expressing your past experiences and dissatisfaction could be the final push they need to sort it out..

As for myself, i am more than happy to wait it out, i never expected any different... As for ever switching back to Windows, i worked with it, at various levels of Network administration and music production for 10 years and switched to OSX permenently within a week! It would take a hell of a lot more than a few weeks delay to send me back over to the dark side so good luck with that decision ;)

If you can wait you won't be dissapointed, the speed of those Dual 2.0 intel iMac's is unreal, we had it up against a Quad core G5 w/4gig of ram running Bryce on both machines with the iMac running standard and running Bryce in Rosetta, the Quad was dissapointing and crashed about 5 times throughout the day, the iMac was stunning!!!....Damn i nearly gave you a reason there.. :)
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For those of you that wonder why I am having this debate in the open and not via PM, it is because this is an ongoing issue and I feel that people should see both sides of the argument.

I have tried complaining directly to Apple and of course they have the cheek to tell me that such a long lead-time is unacceptable and that it sounds a little strange, but that they cannot do anything about it.

My reseller tells me that this is standard across all UK orders and I have phoned a few other resellers to verify this (not that I really doubted them - they seem too honest). And guess what, it is true. No UK resellers have taken delivery of any MBPs and Apple are expecting to ship them next week from Asia for distribution the week after.

So Apple have the cheek to tell me that my wait is unacceptable on one hand and ben the cause of it on another.
 
I think that the delay of the MBP was not a bad thing AT ALL, remember that apple is way way ahead of their original plans, so just cool doen people:cool:
 
beachboy89 said:
I think that the delay of the MBP was not a bad thing AT ALL, remember that apple is way way ahead of their original plans, so just cool doen people:cool:
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Because Apple changed their plans and moved the MBP forward by up to 6 months does not make their delay acceptable in any way. I hate this attitude that results in people finding some small reason, no matter what it is, to excuse Apple. The point is simply that they took orders in January with a February shipping date and they are not delivering to that.

Then there is the ongoing Apple policy of scre*ing the resellers in order to increase their own revenue.

Think of it this way. Apple always knew that there was going to be a huge demand for this machine. That much was never in doubt. So Apple, in Europe at least, is continuing to supply their direct customers whilst making resellers wait. This effectively locks the resellers out of the initial flood and ensures that Apple takes the extra profit. This is all well and good for their CFO and share holders, but not for the customer.

I for one will continue to use Apple under the condition that Vista will not be as good as OSX. If however Vista has proved me wrong and shows that it is secure and dependable as well as easy to use when I am next in the market for a new computer, then I WILL switch to Vista and leave Apple behind. I have no loyalty to a company that cares so little for its clients and which, day by day, turns into the bohemoth that believes that all that matters in the underlying profit and the maximisation of that at any cost. Apple was supposed to represent something different where it was loyal to us and we were therefore loyal to them. This is not the case.


This post in not just about the MBP, but about the broader direction that Apple appears to be taking and I for one am uncomfortable with it. I have to use a computer and if both Apple and Microsoft have the same scr*w you policy then I will go with the one that results in me having the least hassle. Therefore if Vista offers that, I will take it.

Many of you will feel that this post is over-the-top. If that is the case then you are missing my point. The MBP is just the calayst for my frustration, not the cause.
 
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