Case in point, Cingular charges $50 more for the Pink RAZR v3 than they charge for silver or black.rajulkabir said:
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jaxstate said:If black is the best seller (which is seems), isn't it costing them more money to make the white ones. And Apple isn't hurting for money anyway. In the end of the day people will see that Apple doesn't give a **** about anything but their profit margins.
Ping...you got the basic realization. However, I think Apple wants to keep us happy and make money, but they want to do it in a way that is according to their timetable, process, proprietary ways, and they have such a loyal base that they are a little complacent in some areas. The true believers here would have you believe that we should be happy with what they provide to us and not whine or complain or criticize. Obvioiusly that's a crock, but it is a pretty strong perspective.
And sometimes corporations face deadlines, shareholder pressure, law suits, and other things that for a better word just plain makes them a little bit stupid in the sort run. Cult members are very forgiving and in the end we all love the Mac so who cares what they do along the way as long as we can just say we're members of the 'cool' club. Just a second while I get this little air sickness bag out of my bottom drawer. Whew, that was close almost got it on my shoes.
Like anything else in life: It won't get better unless we get better and make it get better. Just ignore the people who like everything they are cursed with a happy life and will have genetic issues later on when the real laptops arrive.
Painting it black again
Perfect. I love the extra charges for the colors. We need more stories like this to show that Apple is doing the 'right thing.'
I wonder if it would cost more to paint the Golden Gate bridge black?
The Stones were really on to something. Mick was a consultant on this project and Steve said, "Mick, you were right, how come it took me so long to realize it. Now I'm wondering if we should have named the company Stone." Which might be appropriate for the 13 incher.
weldon said:
Perfect. I love the extra charges for the colors. We need more stories like this to show that Apple is doing the 'right thing.'
I wonder if it would cost more to paint the Golden Gate bridge black?
The Stones were really on to something. Mick was a consultant on this project and Steve said, "Mick, you were right, how come it took me so long to realize it. Now I'm wondering if we should have named the company Stone." Which might be appropriate for the 13 incher.
Would be very grateful if you and/or someone else that has gotten the black MB could give your views on the "flake" issue, either here or (preferably) in the dedicated thread. It's more or less all that's keeping me from ordering one.macenforcer said:
rajulkabir said:
I agree. We exploit ourselves. Apologies to Portnoy.
rajulkabir said:
These things don't really have anything to do with exploitive pricing instruments.
rajulkabir said:
That should be the ultimate yardstick for the corporate world, I agree. Squeeze them till the swell and cry and won't pay anymore.
rajulkabir said:
Clear as anything I can think of. I can tell that the people buying them agree 100% with this approach.
rajulkabir said:
It's really ldeal. Why didn't I think of that. I wonder if Apple would consider having a PayPal Donate button on their checkout page to help subsidize the people who can't afford the extra black color?
rajulkabir said:
That and more my friend. It's the more that sometimes turns the tide.
rajulkabir said:
Then it's a good thing, right? Full steam ahead. I think we can all agree on this as the final answer. Deal or no deal? Let's consult the banker. Every company does this... it's *got* to be good.
It doesn't matter. People will pay what they pay. Who cares. It was a fun thread but it's too depressing to see the responses that actually defend the premium pricing on black "bottom of the product line" laptps.
Just got back from Apple Store, Palo Alto
Well, not too many people hanging, at least not at 14:00 on a Wednesday, so got a lot of time to check it out.
I was heading in to check out the black books, ended up playing the whole time with a white one though.
Here are my thoughts.
Snappy, not as fast as my 20" intelimac with 1GB ram, but snappy. All things loaded very fast, safari, iphoto, itunes, MSFT office, word, excel, etc. I would put any slowdown at 3%, not 5% and certainly not 10%.
I did some photo manipulation in iphoto, 3.6MB images, all in full screen and it was fast, again maybe 3-5% slower than on my 20". I think that is going to be graphics rendering, and that the CPU is doing two things at once here, not leaving whatever graphics up the a dedicated graphics card.
Web pages were fast, load time of Safari, was actually faster than the MacBpro that was next to it.
I DO like the glossy screen, it is differant but one thing that I will use this product for is photo editing and sharing and the images looked AWESOME on the screen. I think the screen is a better representation of what a printout will look like and I LIKE that.
I DO like the keyboard. I can type 150 WPM+ and it was not missing a beat. I found it quite tactile and recon that most who use it, and use it more than 15 minutes will do fine with it.
I DON'T like the fact that it is so hot. Now, mind you it is not MacBookPro hot. Read my post about that from a few months back, that thing isn't hot that thing is SMOKIN'. Everybody said, nah, not hot, but now all we hear is how hot the MBP is.
Well, the MacBook is no slouch when it comes to producing heat. I think the plastic shell makes it better, I had both side by side, MBP and MB and the MB was definitly COOLER than the MBP. Not sure if the guts will show a better cooling solution, more cooling GOO that has been applied, or just a CPU better managed. Regardless, I can live this this one, but not the MBP.
I was going in thinking, that the BLACK was going to be the ticket for me, but actually, I don't like it. It makes it look a bit cheap. Regardless of whether or not it chips or not, I think it just looks like my IBM or something and not something interesting. So, when I buy I will buy a white one for sure. this is, or course, a subjective decision. I noticed no differance between BLACK and WHITE as for hot hot it got.
All in all, for the money I think 4.5 STARS.
Now, the good news is that AMAZON is now stocking and the REBATE program there is alive and kicking, so sub 1K$ for the MBP is GREAT news.
Well, not too many people hanging, at least not at 14:00 on a Wednesday, so got a lot of time to check it out.
I was heading in to check out the black books, ended up playing the whole time with a white one though.
Here are my thoughts.
Snappy, not as fast as my 20" intelimac with 1GB ram, but snappy. All things loaded very fast, safari, iphoto, itunes, MSFT office, word, excel, etc. I would put any slowdown at 3%, not 5% and certainly not 10%.
I did some photo manipulation in iphoto, 3.6MB images, all in full screen and it was fast, again maybe 3-5% slower than on my 20". I think that is going to be graphics rendering, and that the CPU is doing two things at once here, not leaving whatever graphics up the a dedicated graphics card.
Web pages were fast, load time of Safari, was actually faster than the MacBpro that was next to it.
I DO like the glossy screen, it is differant but one thing that I will use this product for is photo editing and sharing and the images looked AWESOME on the screen. I think the screen is a better representation of what a printout will look like and I LIKE that.
I DO like the keyboard. I can type 150 WPM+ and it was not missing a beat. I found it quite tactile and recon that most who use it, and use it more than 15 minutes will do fine with it.
I DON'T like the fact that it is so hot. Now, mind you it is not MacBookPro hot. Read my post about that from a few months back, that thing isn't hot that thing is SMOKIN'. Everybody said, nah, not hot, but now all we hear is how hot the MBP is.
Well, the MacBook is no slouch when it comes to producing heat. I think the plastic shell makes it better, I had both side by side, MBP and MB and the MB was definitly COOLER than the MBP. Not sure if the guts will show a better cooling solution, more cooling GOO that has been applied, or just a CPU better managed. Regardless, I can live this this one, but not the MBP.
I was going in thinking, that the BLACK was going to be the ticket for me, but actually, I don't like it. It makes it look a bit cheap. Regardless of whether or not it chips or not, I think it just looks like my IBM or something and not something interesting. So, when I buy I will buy a white one for sure. this is, or course, a subjective decision. I noticed no differance between BLACK and WHITE as for hot hot it got.
All in all, for the money I think 4.5 STARS.
Now, the good news is that AMAZON is now stocking and the REBATE program there is alive and kicking, so sub 1K$ for the MBP is GREAT news.
Guys I am thinking of heading out to the store to buy a black one within the next 2 hours....
Just wanted to ask one last bit a feedback. Has anyone tried running Final Cut Express or Photoshop on it? How has it done with low end video editing.
Please dont suggest that I buy a MBP I can not afford it. Thanks
Just wanted to ask one last bit a feedback. Has anyone tried running Final Cut Express or Photoshop on it? How has it done with low end video editing.
Please dont suggest that I buy a MBP I can not afford it. Thanks
Can't Get Into The Black MacBook Flakes Thread
That link to the dedicated flak thread does not let me in. Why?Spanko said:
tivoboy said:
I am really surprised to hear people reporting this. Mine has been running all day and is warm on the bottom toward the rear, but nowhere near what I would call hot. Very cool running laptop in fact. Curious to hear more experiences, good and bad, on this.
By the way, it is very quiet. Quite a bit quieter than my iMac, a computer that can only be heard when the room is otherwise silent.
NEW Final Cut Express 3.5 Is NOW Universal & Will Run Great On MacBooks
And by the way GMA950 supports Quartz Extreme and CoreImage. You think Apple wants to broadcast that a MacBook is enough to run FCS when they want to sell MacBook Pros to all those guys and gals?
Final Cut Express HD 3.5 is now as of 3.18.06 Universal so go for it! And the Upgrade is only $99 from ANY previous version 1, 2 or 3 of Final Cut Express. Outstanding Apple!Mersen said:
And by the way GMA950 supports Quartz Extreme and CoreImage. You think Apple wants to broadcast that a MacBook is enough to run FCS when they want to sell MacBook Pros to all those guys and gals?
I've been reading through all these posts, maybe I read over it...but is the integrated graphics card even good? I saw some people complaining about it,
My question is this, (since I'm not an advid gamer), will it at least play something like world of warcraft?
My question is this, (since I'm not an advid gamer), will it at least play something like world of warcraft?
Integrated Graphics Are OK For Light Gaming
I don't know games. So I can't answer that to your specific game. Have you tried calling the publisher of the game you like to ask?
Max out the RAM to 2GB and you should be fine with games that don't put too big a demand on the 3-D super shading type stuff. It'll beat the pants off your iBook and iMac most def.Malus said:
I don't know games. So I can't answer that to your specific game. Have you tried calling the publisher of the game you like to ask?
Mac Book Take Apart
Here are some pictures of a MacBook I just took apart.
http://www.powermax.com/articles_reviews/article.php?id=26
Here are some pictures of a MacBook I just took apart.
http://www.powermax.com/articles_reviews/article.php?id=26
DesmoDog said:They're on the same flight I'm sure. Which means they're in Alaska now.
I know, cant stop checking.....
Thanks Jacob - Originals Somewhere For More Detail?
Thanks Jacob. Great look. Any chance you could post originals with the thumbnail links so we can see better detail?loebjack said:
Use Dell Multiple Inputs To Drive From Both G5 and MacBook
I do too - a Quad. But it has dual inputs on it. So I drive it with my DVI from the Quad AND a DVI to VGA adapter from my PowerBook. Then just use the input buttons to switch which one you're looking from. Thanks.jxwolf said:
EyeTV 500 is an external FireWire400 connected tuner - not a card.jxwolf said:
Leemo said:
Have you tried Motion yet? How does it run?
MacTablet said:
What are you talking about? I've had a blast playing games with lower system requirements. Warcraft 3 is great, and it's not even universal yet. It just won't play the latest, most demanding games.
thejadedmonkey said:
What casual game won't run on this?
NC MacGuy said:
No kidding. We've known that for months because of the mini and other models. The intel macs ALL need more ram for better performance.
I love the theories about the black MB
Don't you guys get it? The lack of dedicated graphics, the black price premium... it is all about profits!
My goodness, sometimes I think there is no corporate person on thee forums... just a bunch of students!
Apple is a publicly traded corporation, whose main purpose is to make profits for its owner - shareholders. And when they cease making profits, steve jobs will not have a job! The major shareholders of apple are investment companies who mostly use.... windows!
Geez... the lack of dedicated grpahics and the black MB price premium is solely about profits...
I love to see comparisons to dell and others...Apple's gross margins are much higher than dell and others.. And apple gets away with it! It is solely for profits! Hence, the cost difference between a ACD and a dell of the same size with the same screen.
Geez! It is solely profits.. no other reason. They charge the most they think they can to get the most profits for the owners of the company - a bunch of windows using shareholders and investment pros/houses.
Black macbook - it is for profits.
Lack of dedicated graphics - another business decision.
That is it, end of story,
OK, now I am going to go order my MB, thanks
Don't you guys get it? The lack of dedicated graphics, the black price premium... it is all about profits!
My goodness, sometimes I think there is no corporate person on thee forums... just a bunch of students!
Apple is a publicly traded corporation, whose main purpose is to make profits for its owner - shareholders. And when they cease making profits, steve jobs will not have a job! The major shareholders of apple are investment companies who mostly use.... windows!
Geez... the lack of dedicated grpahics and the black MB price premium is solely about profits...
I love to see comparisons to dell and others...Apple's gross margins are much higher than dell and others.. And apple gets away with it! It is solely for profits! Hence, the cost difference between a ACD and a dell of the same size with the same screen.
Geez! It is solely profits.. no other reason. They charge the most they think they can to get the most profits for the owners of the company - a bunch of windows using shareholders and investment pros/houses.
Black macbook - it is for profits.
Lack of dedicated graphics - another business decision.
That is it, end of story,
OK, now I am going to go order my MB, thanks
Difference Between 1.83 and 2.0
I am going to get a macbook this weekend and i was wondering if anyone could tell me if the speed is noticably different in the 2.0Ghz Core Duo than the 1.83 GHz Core Duo. Also, i was wondering if 512 RAM is way too little. Im not going to be gaming intensly on it or anything, and i dont use any pro apps really....
I am going to get a macbook this weekend and i was wondering if anyone could tell me if the speed is noticably different in the 2.0Ghz Core Duo than the 1.83 GHz Core Duo. Also, i was wondering if 512 RAM is way too little. Im not going to be gaming intensly on it or anything, and i dont use any pro apps really....
8% Difference - IOW None & MAX The RAM to 2GB
The difference between the 1.83 & 2 GHz models is the Combo vs. Superdrive not the speed. Will you ever want to write DVDs for archive purposes or to make a movie from your iMovie masterpiece?
This has been covered. There is only a total of 340 MHz difference out of 4,000 MHz or a shade over 8%. You will not tell the difference. And you must max the ram to get optimum performance no matter what you are doing. 1GB per core is considered a minimum for any Mac PPC or Intel. That is only $144 more for both 1GB sticks at Omni via Ramseeker. Search for MacBook Pro RAM at top then click on the PRICE on the right side of Omni OPTIVAL to get the link to Omni where you will be able to buy at that price.sthiede said:
The difference between the 1.83 & 2 GHz models is the Combo vs. Superdrive not the speed. Will you ever want to write DVDs for archive purposes or to make a movie from your iMovie masterpiece?
You obviously like to post. No one wants to read 75 pages or spend a ton of time searching (hey, look how mad you got yesterday when you couldn't find a link.Multimedia said:
)Just be nice, if it is within your ability and give them the info. You did anyway. Why act like this?
Sorry. Anyway, the MB is obviously an extremely popular and long awaited upgrade. We are getting one for my son who is off to college this fall and luckily, macs are required.
I am waiting for the next revision (for once) to see if they come out with an upper end version with a dedicated video card. Or maybe some smaller, road warrior laptop.
Well done Apple.
No Go On The Graphics Card
I know this is entry level but is this even close to keeping up with the future when a great graphics card will be necessary, if it already is at that. I plan on getting into some games soon and this Pro with the 256 is killer. 64? My over two year G5 has a 64. So yesterday. maybe even the day before that. Kansas Ken
I know this is entry level but is this even close to keeping up with the future when a great graphics card will be necessary, if it already is at that. I plan on getting into some games soon and this Pro with the 256 is killer. 64? My over two year G5 has a 64. So yesterday. maybe even the day before that. Kansas Ken