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I don't understand why people are still arguing about Macs vs PCs
If I want to buy a Mac (for any personal reason), who are you to tell me I could get a souped up PC notebook for the same price?
On that same note, if I want to buy a PC, who are you to tell me I should invest in a Mac?
If I want to buy a Mac (for any personal reason), who are you to tell me I could get a souped up PC notebook for the same price?
On that same note, if I want to buy a PC, who are you to tell me I should invest in a Mac?
I'm not going to bother pointing out ALL of the shortcomings in that essay you just wrote.
1. Here are some of the numbers for laptop GPU's from Newegg:
Integrated card (118)
Dedicated (82)
So that means that already MOST of the laptops on newegg are definitely worse than the 320m. I could go on and list all of the dedicated ones which are worse, which leaves about 40 which are better than the 320m, but i really can't be bothered.
Sure, you can find more powerful systems than a Macbook for cheaper. Nobody disputed that, so you're having a one-man debate. What people including myself are saying, is that you can't get Battery life, power and build quality along with all the other things (OS X) for a similar price. The only real competitor to a Macbook IMO is the ludicrously expensive. And as for Asus' Laptops:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvf7iYgpkXY
That put me off buying one of their ultraportables, although having a quick shutdown feature is nice i guess.
The ultraportables by Asus and Acer aren't smaller at all, they are usually the same thickness or thicker, research please.
Sure the i5's give enough of an increase to justify an upgrade, IF you are the kind of person who needs the power, but you do not under any circumstances need anything better than a decently clocked C2D in a consumer laptop.
If Winrot doesn't exist, explain why while using this laptop with Windows 7 i experience slowdown over time, regardless of how often i go into Task Manager, delete processes and free up RAM ? When i restart my computer it then goes back to normal speed. This has happened on all of my windows desktops.
I know that Logic board is an Apple term, but you totally missed the point. Example, in the UK we call a Trash Can a 'Bin' but that doesn't make either term wrong. Motherboard was just a term coined by somebody for a PCB and its respective parts, if anything the term motherboard is outdated because Sisterboards arent even common any more. Logic board is a perfectly acceptable term.
There is no such thing as a 'modern system.' You have people using single core Atom netbooks very happily, and you also have other people pwning noobs on their huge Alienware M17x. A Macbook does what it is supposed to do perfectly well.
And as far as the whole iMovie thing goes, i'll just list a few content creators on youtube who make a living from the site and who i know use a Macbook or Mac Desktop as well as iMovie:
SxePhil
iJustine
ShaneDawson
Kassem G
CTFxC
Shay Carl
NigaHiga
I could go on. Your original silly statement was that 'nobody' uses it, that was proved wrong, and now you are just picking at a lost argument.
@mosx I just want to say AMEN BROTHER!
I don't understand all the hate for PCs and Windows here, most people will just favour one or the other for whatever reasons they can think of.
You can complain all you want about how OS X or Windows sucks but in the end, it's all about brand loyalty. Just look at what's happened with Toyota lately, they've been a great manufacturer for years but now they've got a tonne of problems with their recent models. If you had to buy a car today, would you buy a Toyota because of their previous track record or get a car from another manufacturer?
Just because a company used to be "great" doesn't mean they're great right now.
I don't understand all the hate for PCs and Windows here, most people will just favour one or the other for whatever reasons they can think of.
You can complain all you want about how OS X or Windows sucks but in the end, it's all about brand loyalty. Just look at what's happened with Toyota lately, they've been a great manufacturer for years but now they've got a tonne of problems with their recent models. If you had to buy a car today, would you buy a Toyota because of their previous track record or get a car from another manufacturer?
Just because a company used to be "great" doesn't mean they're great right now.
How much are spare batteries?
hmmmmmmmmm
Cons: LCD viewing angles. Really needs 1400x900 resolution to make this baby truly awesome. Can't find a driver for 'PCI Simple Communications Controller' on fresh install of Windows 7. Easy to mis-hit NumLock when trying to push Backspace. On-board Realtek sound isn't perfect but definitely acceptable for a lappy, and better than most. Integrated mic has low pickup. Doesn't have a Vertex 2.
Other Thoughts: 2-2.5 hour battery time, web-browsing and listening to music.
Like giving someone a Redbull, giving this lappy an SSD will give it wings.
THE POWER CORD BEEP CAN BE ADJUSTED in Windows 7 by right-clicking the speaker icon in the system tray and going to Playback devices, then highlighting Speakers and hitting Properties, go to the Levels tab, and move the 'PC Beep' slider to the desired level. Windows 7 defaults the beep to 100%.
hmmmmmmmmm
Cons: LCD viewing angles. Really needs 1400x900 resolution to make this baby truly awesome. Can't find a driver for 'PCI Simple Communications Controller' on fresh install of Windows 7. Easy to mis-hit NumLock when trying to push Backspace. On-board Realtek sound isn't perfect but definitely acceptable for a lappy, and better than most. Integrated mic has low pickup. Doesn't have a Vertex 2.
Other Thoughts: 2-2.5 hour battery time, web-browsing and listening to music.
Like giving someone a Redbull, giving this lappy an SSD will give it wings.
THE POWER CORD BEEP CAN BE ADJUSTED in Windows 7 by right-clicking the speaker icon in the system tray and going to Playback devices, then highlighting Speakers and hitting Properties, go to the Levels tab, and move the 'PC Beep' slider to the desired level. Windows 7 defaults the beep to 100%.
The Dell Vostro 3300 got a 3Dmark 06 bench of 4196 at http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/product-guide/view/24140/review/25950/page:3 so I think that 3500 score might be suspect but as I said - meh - I couldn't care less. 3D performance means nothing to me in a text editor or ssh shell or even in Photoshop.
You don't have to hate other laptops to like Macbooks, you just have to be able to understand that many people want the extra features that other laptops don't offer in one package, and that is how they justify the price premium.
If there were several examples of laptops which had everything that a Macbook did for less (OS X withstanding) then i would quite happily call Macbooks redundant, but that simply isn't the case.
BTW, i've been a life long Wintel user, incase anybody feels like calling me a fanboy for defending apple
I've been a programmer since 1987 and I've had Macs since 1997. Before Macs I had Amigas at home (running MacOS! as Macs were too expensive) - no PCs except a stint with BeOS. Work was PC and UNIX workstations.
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to justify staying with the Mac when I've got to spend about £1500-2000 to get one with an anti-glare screen. Couple to that Apple's seemingly ambivalent attitude to the Mac these days (I reckon 10.3 was their best period) and iPhoneOS distraction, which I want no part of, and I'm left thinking Apple's products aren't for me.
My problem is there's no alternatives I like either on the desktop.
Weren't the iMacs updated at the end of last year? Or was that just the screen size (i.e. 27 inch)?
mosx,
If you hate apple hardware so much, why do you waste your time writing a huge post on MacRumors. We all have our opinions on PC/Mac. I like Mac, but that's just a preference. You like PC, that's fine. Computer performance is largely subjective anyway. Use the system you like and I'll use the one I like.
If you hate apple hardware so much, why do you waste your time writing a huge post on MacRumors. We all have our opinions on PC/Mac. I like Mac, but that's just a preference. You like PC, that's fine. Computer performance is largely subjective anyway. Use the system you like and I'll use the one I like.
Nice find! But it sucks that the Mac Pro still isn't updated yet
Just wait until June. Apple has to save something for WWDC
Really... comparing Windows to OSX. Always the ever on-going argument. So thats cool some Windows machines get some good numbers in bench scores. But they are under Windows.
Weak argument.
Different operating system.
Different needs.
Different resource handling.
Different c o d e.
`Nuff said.
The MBP i7,i5, and the new MB do just fine for OSX and for what has been coded for oHyEsTen.
Weak argument.
Different operating system.
Different needs.
Different resource handling.
Different c o d e.
`Nuff said.
The MBP i7,i5, and the new MB do just fine for OSX and for what has been coded for oHyEsTen.
I wish Apple would bring back the black Macbook. That would look sweet with the new unibody design.
I did got the White MB, and I have been enjoying more the beer I have been drinking with my friends from the tad money I have saved than the "pro" features of the 13" 'PRO' version.
Cheers!
PS: here we have cheap beer.
I'm in a pickle now. Do i get a Macbook and put the saving over a MBP (£150) towards a new Digital Camera, or are the extra list of features on the MBP worth that extra cash ?
- SD slot doesn't really bother me, i find it just as easy to plug my cameras in by cable.
- Battery level indicator, a neat feature but nothing worth making a decision over.
-Alluminium body, more resistant to scratches than the Macbook, but less durable overall. Looks nicer, and this will only continue over time as your Macbook gets dirtier. (If only the Macbook was matte, the decision would be much easier)
-4GB vs 2GB. Heard conflicting reports about the necessity for 4GB of RAM under 10.6
-Backlit keyboard, i've managed fine without one with my current laptop, but again, would be a nice bonus.
-Firewire. I haven't used it in years.
save for a camera, my 0.02
I actually ordered a camera about 2 hours ago, decided that the extra features aren't really worth the extra £150.
I checked out the specs of the Acer. For one, Acer's just feel way cheap and as if they will fail at any moment. Looking at the comments, users were happy but claimed of a poor and loud power plug and connection. Also, it has 20% to 30% of the battery life, weighs over 6 lbs!!, and has an atrocious resolution for a 15 inch screen.
Yes, the processor and GPU are better, but I would argue lacks in every other category. Absolute speed is not the only reason to buy a laptop.
Regardless of how new or old the processor in the MacBook is, I would argue that it suits the needs of a very high percentage of consumer computer users. I would imagine that MacRumors readers are likely about the opposite of your average computer user.
Aluminum, backlit keyboard, Firewire, an SD card slot, and 2GB of RAM. Worth well more than $200 in my mind, which makes the base 13" MBP a no-brainer and the $1500 13" MBP very hard to justify.
Still, your average user isn't going wrong with a MacBook, so I'm sure they'll continue to sell like hot cakes.
I'm with you. Man I'd love 13" MBP specs/config in a black plastic unbody. That would be my ideal MacBook. When the upgrade happens, I'm sure I'll survive with the aluminum.
I do not understand why Windows fanboys who infest and troll around in threads like this act or feign surprise and outrage that we're all big Apple fans around here.
It is called MacRumors. Just saying.
Why not go to an awesome PC laptop forum and circle jerk each other over your $699 Core i7 systems?
It is called MacRumors. Just saying.
Why not go to an awesome PC laptop forum and circle jerk each other over your $699 Core i7 systems?
So, I keep seeing all the anti-Mac folks asserting in here about how much cheaper generic PC laptops are than Macs, so, I took a few minutes to look around the web. I mostly wasted my time, not finding machines that match up with Macs in important attributes, including weight and battery life, as well as performance. About the only interesting machines that I found were Sony Vaio's, although their battery life ratio still doesn't match Apple, they do have some other very nice attributes.Apple is absolutely no longer the company that delivers top quality and top performance computers. a 2.4 dual core with 2gb RAM for 1000Euro's lol you could easily buy a system with twice the power for "easily" half the money. Only thing good about the machine is the OS and a nice looking design...
Apple is fooling everybody giving them outdated hardware in so called updated machines. but hey atleast you have a machine that looks good
Apple has become one big joke as far as computers and pricing...they should just stick to ipads, ipods and iphones.
So, let me ask the anti-Apple faction -- exactly what models are you looking at that weigh 4.5-6.6 lbs, that have comparable battery life, that have comparable CPU's, memory, and graphics, have three-year support available, and, cost 1/2 of Apple. Because I'm not finding all these machines. I do see a lot of cheapo machines with comparable CPU's/performance -- so what?