You're not the first one to say something about heat management, but come on, this is a multi billion dollar company. Do you guys honestly think they threw together a design, manufactured, and then sold it without even thinking about the issue?
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You're not the first one to say something about heat management, but come on, this is a multi billion dollar company. Do you guys honestly think they threw together a design, manufactured, and then sold it without even thinking about the issue?
Even FW400 is a lot faster than USB2...
As others said, white plastic.
The more you shaft customers the more they go out and look at the alternatives. Adding features that add more value is one thing. Chopping off features you have already deployed in a previuos version at that price point just because want to reshape the offerings.... kind of hard to not masked as that not being the shaft.
The book is a relatively expensive laptop. ( it is way over the industry laptop average selling price. ). More expensive just shifting into a much higher zone. There is something wrong with your value offering mix when your more expensive stuff needs"protection" (starting to chop down your lower end offerings. )
the case, quality of the LCD panel , size of drives , etc. there are lots of value differentials that Apple could use. The FW one is just dumb; it is a $10-30 part tops that is suppose to drive a $200 markup. I suspect they are going to piss off just as many folks as they herd.
While you are probably right on this specific issue, if you think about all the different kinds of constraints and trade-offs that play a part in operating Apple's business, stating the company's cash position or market cap is actually a weak argument. They may or may not have thought about it sufficiently to draw appropriate conclusions that are then actually followed
Would a multi-billion-dollar company design, manufacture and sell a plastic laptop that develops cracks by design ?
Well, it appears they would...
I'm a little disappointed that firewire got left out on this revision... but I guess I can still use my eMac for firewire when I need it. (Though I'm going to miss TDM.)
In any case, it looks fantastic. I will seriously be considering this for my next Mac.
In any case, it looks fantastic. I will seriously be considering this for my next Mac.
Well, useless for me. No FW. Not to mention I would like it in black. White macbooks are just... ugly.
And to all the people being all "I couldn't care less about FW": ok, but others do, you're not in a position to bag on everyone else just because you don't use it. So can it.
I have two agendas. One of them is that I have a portable soundcard that uses FW (most audio and video gear use FW — and don't give me mid-range camcorders, yeah they use USB, who cares), I'd like to use it with a small and cheap MB. Not that a cheap and small MBP is out of the question, I just hate the "new" design (although I'm warming up to it), and I like choice.
The other is simply that USB trash. That's the real problem. It has been trash since day one. Both from a theoretical and a practical view, it is simply sub-par engineering, and it would make sense for someone like Apple to help kill it (even though they helped create this monster).
The only thing USB works for (kind of), is keyboards and mice. For everything else, it's rubbish. And even with keyboards and mice, you have unnesessary extra CPU-usage because of the ****** controller.
Hopefully, we will see USB vanish, or get the background treatment (keyboards/mice) when Intel release the Light Peak tech. Although I haven't heard any specifics on the controller yet, I'm sure it will beat the el-cheapo USB controller.
If Apple have any loyalty left to people who actually cares about quality, they'll help kill off USB when Light Peak arrives. Hopefully the AV-industries will agree (I know for a fact that the engineers do), and we'll be rid of the putrid standard that is USB, at least for anything important, once and for all.
And to all the people being all "I couldn't care less about FW": ok, but others do, you're not in a position to bag on everyone else just because you don't use it. So can it.
I have two agendas. One of them is that I have a portable soundcard that uses FW (most audio and video gear use FW — and don't give me mid-range camcorders, yeah they use USB, who cares), I'd like to use it with a small and cheap MB. Not that a cheap and small MBP is out of the question, I just hate the "new" design (although I'm warming up to it), and I like choice.
The other is simply that USB trash. That's the real problem. It has been trash since day one. Both from a theoretical and a practical view, it is simply sub-par engineering, and it would make sense for someone like Apple to help kill it (even though they helped create this monster).
The only thing USB works for (kind of), is keyboards and mice. For everything else, it's rubbish. And even with keyboards and mice, you have unnesessary extra CPU-usage because of the ****** controller.
Hopefully, we will see USB vanish, or get the background treatment (keyboards/mice) when Intel release the Light Peak tech. Although I haven't heard any specifics on the controller yet, I'm sure it will beat the el-cheapo USB controller.
If Apple have any loyalty left to people who actually cares about quality, they'll help kill off USB when Light Peak arrives. Hopefully the AV-industries will agree (I know for a fact that the engineers do), and we'll be rid of the putrid standard that is USB, at least for anything important, once and for all.
Why would they boost the MacBook's hard drive to 250GB without boosting the MacBook Pro's to at least 250GB?
eh apple increased their prices when it was 1.3 dollars to the pound, now its back up to 1.63 dollars to the pound, they are taking the p*ss
Todays exchange rate was $1 USD = $0.61 British Pound Sterling, so I do not know where you got your numbers from mate.
No... he's right, he is just looking at it from the British perspective. ₤1 = $1.63
From our perspective (because we're Americans) $1 = $0.61
That's fine and all, but there ARE NO USB MINI DV CAMERAS!!!!!! Why is Apple getting rid of them (again)?
apple likes to screw us over, it would be back next update. im sure of it
What's the point of Firewire on a Macbook?
So we're effectively paying 17.5% VAT now, but only 15% goes to HMRC? I think not...
on a budget laptop its not needed. people using fw for their audio and video devices most certainly need to power and speed of a MBP.
with that said, my main issue with this MB is that the 13 inch MBP is basically the same thing but more money and with aluminum. thoughts?
Um . . . Mac fan on a Mac fansite. Bingo!
Firewire on a non-pro consumer-level budget notebook? Everything out there is USB.
Err, I have a MacBook and I always use firewire. Time Machine Backups. MUCH faster than USB2. Target disk Mode. Importing video from DV.
Here is my question: what's the point of removing firewire from the MacBook? Why take away a feature that only costs Apple $10-30? My guess is that Apple wants you to buy a MBP, even though $600 notebooks have firewire.
Ah, the Steve Jobs corporate line. Kool-aid is tasty, yes?
That's it in a nutshell. MBP = higher profit margin for Apple. Same reason Apple dropped it from the MB in the first place, but now they'll justify it by saying there's a 13" MBP with FW, which they weren't able to use as an excuse before (so Jobs was forced into his lame "all modern camcorders have USB" line).
Ummm, have you edited video lately? Or in the past say, 7 years? Why does Apple even bother to ship iMovie with these computers then?
nice update. looking forward to seeing it in the apple store. though i wished they lowered the price at least a little
Is this a serious question? How about the fact that most low price digital camcorders out there use firewire, not USB. Higher end HD camcorders use USB, but not the lower end, lower priced models. This makes no sense. The budget aware Mac user is more likely to use the camcorder they already own (which is most likely firewire) or they will purchase a lower end non-HD camcorder, which uses firewire. Not to mention all the bus powered firewire hard drives out there.
I saw we all drop the FW on a MacBook discussion.
Anyone that wants FW on a MacBook < $999 can buy the older model or a refurbished MacBook Pro...
Anyone that wants FW on a MacBook < $999 can buy the older model or a refurbished MacBook Pro...
This is happening all too often now. Yesterday's model will have the one feature that for no apparent reason to the consumer Apple removes.
Time to take bets on when FireWire will be back and everyone today gets burned, again?