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MacBook Updated with LED Display, Multi-Touch, 7 Hour Battery

puffnstuff said:
:raises hand:

because it's a consumer notebook and Apple wants to make a clear defining line between the Macbook and the MBP something that has been hard to do ever since the release of the black MB
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Not so sure I agree. I think the combination of Headset and line-In jacks was a BAD move for consumer lineup (only iMac has this left for the consumers).

I think its because FireWire 3200 (compatible with FW800) is still over a year away and not taken up by a lot of manufacturers and also USB3.0 is already ratified and with Apple & Intel having much of a love thang going on, Apple gets sweet dibs on USB3.0 on their Pro lineup, then consumers by end of 2010.

I'm just glad I didn't buy a USED 1.8Ghz MacBookl, Intel Duo Core 1/2nd gen for $585CAN last week Friday.

Wish me luck on this new job ... if it hits my family will be a full-time OS X house with new machines and daughter gets to learn Photoshop soon, and me Notes v8.5.1 on OS X 😀
 
Surely said:
You do realize that to actually take advantage of 8 GB of RAM, you'd have to be using some very memory-intensive applications.

Hell, I have 4 GB in my MB and I never tap it out completely. I usually have at least 1 GB free.
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You mean... like VMWare?
 
I'm guessing tht a lot of consumer camcorders these day use USB instead of Firewire for transfer-you can get a MacBook Pro if you need Firewire
 
i bet some aftermarket company will make machined or cast aluminum plates... remove 8 screws and rubber bottom. install new aluminum cover and reuse screws. then it would be funny if someone made "heatsink" bottom covers for the macbook.

also, how will incase make a hardshell for this? We'll see...
 
King Luis said:
what do people really use FW for that USB can't take over??? USB is basically the new standard. i've never used FW. my brother used it once back in the day for his iomega drive. that was it.
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Target Disk Mode. Hard drives. Audio interfaces. DV camcorders.

enclosed battery....is it really that big of a deal? only times i've had to remove my battery was to install more memory. other wise i would of love the more battery life.
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Not a big deal for me, since it's $125 to replace the non-replaceable battery, and a new battery is generally in that price range anyway. I'm not one to swap batteries generally.

now for the big question regarding the new MB. why should i get a MBP instead of the MB besides the aluminum enclosure and the ability to have a faster processor???? only other reasons would be FW and SD card slot which seriously, USB can take care of both of those.
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Firewire. But if you don't use it, I wouldn't see the point.

i'd like to see a speed between the 2gb 2.26ghz MB and the 2gb 2.26ghz MBP.
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Why? There wouldn't be much point.
 
puffnstuff said:
:raises hand:

because it's a consumer notebook and Apple wants to make a clear defining line between the Macbook and the MBP something that has been hard to do ever since the release of the black MB
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Your argument is flawed. Walk into any electronics retailer and look at digital camcorders. The lower end, consumer friendly models connect via firewire. Only the high end HD model connect via USB. Apple has actually alienated the consumer market with their low end laptop.
 
aafuss1 said:
I'm guessing tht a lot of consumer camcorders these day use USB instead of Firewire for transfer-you can get a MacBook Pro if you need Firewire
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You are 100% wrong. The lowest price camcorders, which still account for the majority, connect via firewire. Only the mid-to higher end range models, specifically the HD models, connect via USB.
 
I've just check up posts on this thread, but cant see anything about battery level indicator? Do we have to say goodbye to it also 🙁
 
Eric S. said:
This time I think you're out of luck. Apple is going to say that removing FW is one of the things that enabled them to hit the sub-$1000 price point, and that anyone who needs it should move to the 13" pro model (which wasn't an option before).
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If Apple is so margin sensitive how come the Macbook has a bigger hard drive than the entry MBP 13" ? $50 to go from 160 to 250 GB. Firewire is extremely likely a sub $25-30 part. (wouldn't be surprised it was closer to $10).

There is something besides costs that is driving this.

The last time Apple trotted out something lame like "No bleeding edge cameras ship with Firewire anymore". Like folks are likely to go out and buy a new computer and video recorder right now.

Eventually Firewire will die off. Apple's interest in Light Peak makes that even more likely to happen sooner rather than later. However, Apple is not shipping Light Peak or USB 3.0 yet. To kill off a tech before you have the replacement deployed is whacked. There is no customer value there.



Apple misjudged the size of the negative reaction the first time but probably not this time.
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If you even out the hard drives the MBP 13" / 250 GB goes up to $1249. That's a $250 gap between the two. That is very substantive percentage increase. So you either take hit on disk space and get Firewire (plus a few other goodies) or more space and less goodies.

I can see how Apple thinks "Just spend $250 more" is beneficial for them. Just having huge trouble seeing the customer value proposition there.

Quite the opposite, I think they are trying to herd the folks who really do need this feature into a more expensive model than they really need to buy.
You are right in that it will be a slight muted response than last time ( a few will move up, but they are asking a 10+% premium for something that doesn't cost anywhere near that and can get (in FW400 flavor) on alternative Windows laptops that cost hundreds less. )
 
Surely said:
What do you do on your MB that would require 8 GB of RAM?
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I could actually use 8GB of RAM on my MacBook. When I got my MacBook 1.5 years ago and upgraded to 4GB I thought I would be good. However, I use my MacBook for neuroimaging stuff for research (I prefer using it to any of our lab computers - we're only just starting the transition away from Linux to Mac in the lab {and don't have any lab Macs yet}). Anyway, I've run processes where 4GB of RAM is not enough. 8 is the sweet spot for what I do. But that's just me.
 
deconstruct60 said:
If Apple is so margin sensitive how come the Macbook has a bigger hard drive than the entry MBP 13" ? $50 to go from 160 to 250 GB. Firewire is extremely likely a sub $25-30 part. (wouldn't be surprised it was closer to $10).

There is something besides costs that is driving this.
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I just said that Apple is going to say that cost drove this decision. I didn't say that that was true.

The last time Apple trotted out something lame like "No bleeding edge cameras ship with Firewire anymore".
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I don't think you can believe a word that Steve Jobs says. For him the more smoke and mirrors involved, the more he likes it.

Quite the opposite, I think they are trying to herd the folks who really do need this feature into a more expensive model than they really need to buy.
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"More expensive" = higher profit margin for Apple. That's exactly what I've been saying since the first time FW was dropped.
 
Mac Book and Air Vent

I just went to apple store..to take a look ..the new mac is really excellent..but I didn't understand how the laptop manages heat..their is no air vent to allow hot air to throw out....

apple is negating the law of energy..
 
d128128 said:
I just went to apple store..to take a look ..the new mac is really excellent..but I didn't understand how the laptop manages heat..their is no air vent to allow hot air to throw out....
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Are you sure you haven't just overlooked them ?

EDIT: The vents are visible on this picture taken by Gizmodo
 

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puffnstuff said:
:raises hand:

because it's a consumer notebook and Apple wants to make a clear defining line between the Macbook and the MBP something that has been hard to do ever since the release of the black MB
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the Aluminum vs Plastic/Carbon case are far more visible effective in that. Dividing on FW is petty and annoying.

I think it more likely this is an offering at the Intel alter. Apple kills off future Firewire in return to Intel working on both Light Peak and USB 3.0 at the same time. There is no customer peripheral matching, product differentiation, or cost/margin cutting at all.

If it was product differentiation why put a bigger hard drive on the MacBook? If you "have to" buy the 'Pro' machine to get better stuff how come there is a bigger drive in the MacBook.

They can clean up standard disk on the MBP on a later refresh but in the mean time it is a mixed message. If don't need FW but have drive need and will coin flip on AL vs. Carbon case folks will buy the cheaper model. So if the presumption is that customers don't need/want FW they'll go cheaper.

If they do need FW then why then stick it to the customer on disk? if put the units on parity with HD size then that focuses even more on the FW differential which is suppose to be the key point.


This new MacBook is very likely just a warmed over version of the AL Macbook from last Fall. Just a different case:

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP500

they probably just switched case materials ( made a carbon case in the similar manner at the AL one) so could just reuses the 98% of the old design in the "new' one. This is last year's MacBook.
 
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