macOS 10.14 Mojave Drops Support for Many Older Machines

[Windows10isdabest]

That's my point Moores Law, Mojave can run fine on this hardware as it's just high Sierra with dark mode and finder updates, nothing graphically intensive prevents this update, but the hardcore Apple guys in here keep shouting ancient and go give apple more money Now!

I don't expect updates for a lifetime but cutting GPU OS support for 7 year old hardware is weird.

I have three old PCs and they all just run fine from 2003. The biggest issue is security on a Mac. It's not a secure operating system and in two years you can't really do Internet banking on your Mac.
Also, Android 4.4 already had the features iOS 12 got.
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But doesn't Windows 10 come with all kinds of bloatware and adware ? And I read that the adware can't be removed. Updates happen without your permission, restarting the PC ? It sends all your info to MS ?

I've read of only nightmares with Windows 8 and 10. Have I been misinformed or have people found a way around the $#!t-ware ?

Unfortunately it does come with bloatware, but there's a simple solution for that. After you buy a new PC download this tool:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10startfresh. It'll automatically install fresh copy of Windows 10 removing all the bloatware.

You can disable your PC from sending your information to Microsoft and Microsoft even asks you what to share. You can schedule your updates and nowadays Windows 10 doesn't update automatically while you are using your PC (at least not with the new creators update) and funnily enough Windows 10 seemed to copy Mission Control and you can also use Trackpad just like on a Mac.
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Time for an upgrade. If only there was something worth upgrading to...

There are plenty of Windows PCs to choose from

 

[0002378]

Unfortunately it does come with bloatware, but there's a simple solution for that. After you buy a new PC download this tool:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10startfresh. It'll automatically install fresh copy of Windows 10 removing all the bloatware.

You can disable your PC from sending your information to Microsoft and Microsoft even asks you what to share. You can schedule your updates and nowadays Windows 10 doesn't update automatically while you are using your PC (at least not with the new creators update) and funnily enough Windows 10 seemed to copy Mission Control and you can also use Trackpad just like on a Mac.

That's cool. Maybe I will try Win 10 someday.

Dude, I so miss my Windows 7 beast which I built with my own hands, with cherry-picked components. Command and Conquer: Generals + Zero Hour ...

 

[jeremiah256]

The biggest issue is security on a Mac. It's not a secure operating system and in two years you can't really do Internet banking on your Mac.

I apologize if I'm misinterpreting what you are trying to say (I believe English may not be your native language), but I have no idea what you mean in saying macOS is not secure.

 

[Roadstar]

My early 2012 MacBook Air isn't on the list. I could say something really nasty but I would get banned. I'm thinking it though. It's my last Apple product, no more. I've got a Dell that is 10 years old and runs Win 10 just fine. With the extreme high prices for their computers and phones, no more.

Yep, it seems like that if you want to get maximum supported lifespan out of your devices, it's iOS for phone and tablets, but for actual computers you need to go to Windows. When considering that Android has better integration possibilities with Windows, you may not care that much about the shorter lifespan of a phone that you're more likely to upgrade more frequently anyway.

 

[Windows10isdabest]

I apologize if I'm misinterpreting what you are trying to say (I believe English may not be your native language), but I have no idea what you mean in saying macOS is not secure.

Hello,
Yeah, English isn't my first language nor I'm from a native English speaking country and I barely use English on daily basis. My deepest apologies if I have grammar mistakes or it's difficult to understand what I'm trying to say.

Well, macOS isn't as secure as Windows, because Microsoft has had issues with viruses, malware for awhile and on a Mac it's quite a new thing.
Let's start with the biggest issues Apple has had:
root
[empty]
I'm sure you've already heard the news about this issue and truth be told I'm fairly disappointed in Apple. I would've never expected this from Apple.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-hackers-access-account-WITHOUT-password.html
https://hellogiggles.com/news/apparently-insanely-easy-hack-apple-macos-high-sierra/

Also, even during Snow Leopard hundreds of security holes were discovered and Apple patched only 3 of them before dropping support on Snow Leopard. Microsoft still releases security patches for Windows 7 and while the Windows Updates might be annoying Microsoft at least tries to keep Windows secure. Years ago Apple sued a hacker that discovered security holes in Leopard, Snow Leopard for hacking.

Apple doesn't even support it's operating systems for that long and they drop the support of older hardware fairly quickly, while Windows doesn't do that. One might say that computer from 2011 is old and even if it is true I have a custom built PC from 2003 that can run Windows 10 and also Dell laptop from 2007 that can run Windows 10. The problem with Apple is the price, because you're paying a lot more for Apple products than you would pay for a better speced PC and the issue I have with Apple fanboys is that they don't see it. They are like: "Good luck trying to find a PC that'd work for 7 years", while such PCs are fairly easy to find. They deny the problems that Apple has with iMac Pro etc and someone here replied that Windows 10 doesn't really run on older hardware, while it does and it runs perfectly fine. Sure, you might have to upgrade to SSD and upgrade your RAM as well and your old PC will run like a brand new PC. Also another issue that's bothering me the most is people saying lame excuses like: "There are no drivers" and nowadays Microsoft provides drivers via Windows update and even if Apple hasn't released Windows drivers to a PC from 2006 it doesn't mean it's impossible to find drivers. It is very possible to find (safe drivers without any malware) for an older MacBook and it's possible to install Windows 10, even if BootCamp won't "support" it.

I don't see why my MacBook Pro will be unsupported either. That means in the future I can't use ID software, which is necessary in my country and I'll have to use Windows for that and there's no way I dare to log into my bank account when the operating system won't receive security patches anymore. I totally agree with the person that at this price point Apple Macs should be supported at least for 10 years, because as I said you can get a better PC at this price point.
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Yep, it seems like that if you want to get maximum supported lifespan out of your devices, it's iOS for phone and tablets, but for actual computers you need to go to Windows. When considering that Android has better integration possibilities with Windows, you may not care that much about the shorter lifespan of a phone that you're more likely to upgrade more frequently anyway.

Actually Google phones support Android for years and so does Motorola and Nokia, but these phones are usually at the same price range as the iPhone.
Buying an Android phone and getting updates has a lot to do with luck. It is possible to install custom ROMs, but you never know if they might be infected. You can check out XDA developers though. I gotta be honest here and say that iOS is more secure than Android, but Windows and Linux are more secure than Macs these days.
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That's cool. Maybe I will try Win 10 someday.

Dude, I so miss my Windows 7 beast which I built with my own hands, with cherry-picked components. Command and Conquer: Generals + Zero Hour ...

Aww, it looks nice. You can build a new PC in the future when the prices for PC parts will drop or maybe wait for discounts or something.
Sure, Windows 10 is awesome. I'm fairly stunned with the new updates. Gaming on Windows is way better on Windows as well. Even if you're using a Mac and lets not forget that games on Steam are a lot cheaper than games on the Mac App Store

 

[jeremiah256]

Hello,
Yeah, English isn't my first language nor I'm from a native English speaking country and I barely use English on daily basis. My deepest apologies if I have grammar mistakes or it's difficult to understand what I'm trying to say.

Well, macOS isn't as secure as Windows, because Microsoft has had issues with viruses, malware for awhile and on a Mac it's quite a new thing.
Let's start with the biggest issues Apple has had:
root
[empty]
I'm sure you've already heard the news about this issue and truth be told I'm fairly disappointed in Apple. I would've never expected this from Apple.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-hackers-access-account-WITHOUT-password.html
https://hellogiggles.com/news/apparently-insanely-easy-hack-apple-macos-high-sierra/

Also, even during Snow Leopard hundreds of security holes were discovered and Apple patched only 3 of them before dropping support on Snow Leopard. Microsoft still releases security patches for Windows 7 and while the Windows Updates might be annoying Microsoft at least tries to keep Windows secure. Years ago Apple sued a hacker that discovered security holes in Leopard, Snow Leopard for hacking.

Apple doesn't even support it's operating systems for that long and they drop the support of older hardware fairly quickly, while Windows doesn't do that. One might say that computer from 2011 is old and even if it is true I have a custom built PC from 2003 that can run Windows 10 and also Dell laptop from 2007 that can run Windows 10. The problem with Apple is the price, because you're paying a lot more for Apple products than you would pay for a better speced PC and the issue I have with Apple fanboys is that they don't see it. They are like: "Good luck trying to find a PC that'd work for 7 years", while such PCs are fairly easy to find. They deny the problems that Apple has with iMac Pro etc and someone here replied that Windows 10 doesn't really run on older hardware, while it does and it runs perfectly fine. Sure, you might have to upgrade to SSD and upgrade your RAM as well and your old PC will run like a brand new PC. Also another issue that's bothering me the most is people saying lame excuses like: "There are no drivers" and nowadays Microsoft provides drivers via Windows update and even if Apple hasn't released Windows drivers to a PC from 2006 it doesn't mean it's impossible to find drivers. It is very possible to find (safe drivers without any malware) for an older MacBook and it's possible to install Windows 10, even if BootCamp won't "support" it.

I don't see why my MacBook Pro will be unsupported either. That means in the future I can't use ID software, which is necessary in my country and I'll have to use Windows for that and there's no way I dare to log into my bank account when the operating system won't receive security patches anymore. I totally agree with the person that at this price point Apple Macs should be supported at least for 10 years, because as I said you can get a better PC at this price point.

Yes, both OSes have experienced issues, but both are also pretty well secured. They have been for some time. And while neither your nor my 2011 MBP will receive the next macOS, at this time, our computers are still secure and there is no reason to believe they will suddenly become vulnerable 01 October 2019. When macOS Sierra ended support for MacBook Pros older than 2010, we did not get a rash of hackers targeting and exploiting MBP's from 2009 running El Capitan.

It's great that Windows 10 can be run on older equipment. It is great that you can purchase or build a Windows PC for cheaper than you can purchase a Mac. Those are advantages and considerations when purchasing a computer. I'm making that same calculation right now on whether to stay Mac. But, again, going back to the original point I was asking you to clarify, Macs are not less secure than PCs.

 

[TheCoolGuy]

My 2011 iMac won’t get an update. I can keep using it. But Apple will say Xcode 10.3 requires Mojave. I can keep using Xcode 10.2 but in few months they will says to submit new apps you need Xcode 10.3 or later. I’m an app developer from India.

 

[fairuz]

Actually Windows 10 is pretty great and Windows PCs are supported for much longer and as I already mentioned I have a PC from 2003 and it's running Windows 10 quite well.

Part of what sucks about Win10 is what you don't see, all the spyware it comes with. Win7 is the only version one should ever use.

And you do see ads now, right? I was playing CS:GO and had a teammate stop responding, then he came back and said an ad tabbed him out of the game O_O. Add that onto the already existing list of BS that can mess up your game unless you go turn it off, including the braindead firewall, the auto-rebooting updates, and sticky keys (yes that still exists). Sucks cause Windows is meant for games.

 

[dumastudetto]

My 2011 iMac won’t get an update. I can keep using it. But Apple will say Xcode 10.3 requires Mojave. I can keep using Xcode 10.2 but in few months they will says to submit new apps you need Xcode 10.3 or later. I’m an app developer from India.

It's highly probable some geniuses will figure out a way to get Mojave installed and working on older Macs. So people freaking out you'll still probably be able to get the latest version of macOS installed, it just won't be supported by Apple, and you don't get all the features.

 

[fairuz]

But doesn't Windows 10 come with all kinds of bloatware and adware ? And I read that the adware can't be removed. Updates happen without your permission, restarting the PC ? It sends all your info to MS ?

I've read of only nightmares with Windows 8 and 10. Have I been misinformed or have people found a way around the $#!t-ware ?

Ideally, I'd have both a Windows desktop (gaming) and a Macbook Pro. Sigh.

You aren't misinformed. I've used it some, and it's loaded with garbage that's not even worth my time removing all over the place when I can just install 7 instead. I don't even know what 10 is supposed to offer over 7, Cortana and the new version of IE?
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It's highly probable some geniuses will figure out a way to get Mojave installed and working on older Macs. So people freaking out you'll still probably be able to get the latest version of macOS installed, it just won't be supported by Apple, and you don't get all the features.

This happens with every update, haha. But half the time, you end up worse off than if you had not updated.

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

Windows 10 requirements:
View attachment 764458
These look like the specs of an average 2004 computer.

install windows 10 in a computer with those specs and it will take like half hour just to get to the desktop
lol
after a few days it will burn the cpu and the power supply will blow up
welcome to windows the best windows ever
don't worry if we burn your house

yes you can install it but it will be very slowww
I read some where that apple is going to add more support for older machines during the next betas
so don't count your device out yet
you all should know already how apple run their business
I don't know what people expect
wake up people you know your Mac or apple device will be obsolete then you won't be able to upgrade unless you buy a new Mac or apple device

even an old 775 motherboard can run HS at a decent speed if you use an ssd drive
but that is call a hackintosh and not everybody knows how to build one

I have a 5,000 dollar hackintosh but is not that I can't afford a Mac or I don't like Macs
I do like them, the problem is customization
where you are going to install a water cooler and add some RGB lights

hackintosh is the best
I even smoke real iMacs in benchmark test

 

[fairuz]

deleted, mistaken

 

[dumastudetto]

You aren't misinformed. I've used it some, and it's garbage. I only install 7 on my stuff. I don't even know what 10 is supposed to offer over 7, Cortana and the new version of IE?
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This happens with every update, haha. But half the time, you end up worse off than if you had not updated.

Yes the hacks can easily disable features that were previously working in the last version of macOS, in addition to unoptimized code leading to performance penalties.

 

[fairuz]

installed windows 10 in a computer with those specs and it will take like half hour just to get to the desktop
lol
after a few days it will burn the cpu and the power supply will blow up
welcome to windows the best windows ever
don't worry if we burn your house

IDK about 2004 specs, but Win10 doesn't seem any heavier than 7 on some 2008 hardware I've used (with an HDD). Also, that's not what happens when a computer is overloaded.

Don't get me wrong, Win10 is trash. But its lightness is something to envy.

 

[flyinmac]

installed windows 10 in a computer with those specs and it will take like half hour just to get to the desktop
lol
after a few days it will burn the cpu and the power supply will blow up
welcome to windows the best windows ever
don't worry if we burn your house

yes you can install it but it will be very slowww
I read some where that apple is going to add more support for older machines during the next betas
so don't count your device out yet
you all should know already how apple run their business
I don't know what people expect
wake up people you know your Mac or apple device will be obsolete then you won't be able to upgrade unless you buy a new Mac or apple device

even an old 775 motherboard can run HS at a decent speed if you use an ssd drive
but that is call a hackintosh and not everybody knows how to build one

I have a 5,000 dollar hackintosh but is not that I can't afford a Mac or I don't like Macs
I do like them, the problem is customization
where you are going to install a water cooler and add some RGB lights

hackintosh is the best
I even smoke real iMacs in benchmark test

Actually... I have installed Windows 10 on machines with those specs, with the exception of using 80 GB hard drives or larger.

The systems are actually very fast feeling and quite responsive. Boot time is usually 30 seconds or less.

The computers are very usable.

 

[Porthos38]

And if Apple "supported" their older machines, they would lodge class action suits against Apple, claiming that Apple crippled the performance of their machines after the Mojave update.

Or they would complain that Apple keeps pestering them to an Update that (bazillion of others) have claimed slowed down their older Macs.

Apple MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz (13.3-inch, Unibody, Dual-Core i5

• 2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 Processor
• Powered by a 2.5GHz Intel Core i5 Ivy Bridge Processor (2 Total Cores)
  Sleek yet powerful. This notebook features 2 cores on a single silicon chip. What's that mean? It means this baby is not only slim, but it's fast as well
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
  • 3MB on-chip shared L3 cache
  • Supports Hyper-Threading
• Memory (RAM): Equipped with 4GB, maximum 16.0 GB supported
• 1600 MHz DDR3L SO-DIMM PC12800 memory
• Two memory slots.

VS
Apple MacBook Pro "Core i7" 2.2 17" Early 2011 Specs

Processors: 1 (4 Cores) Architecture: 64-Bit
Processor Speed: 2.2 GHz Processor Type: Core i7 (I7-2720QM)
Details: This model is powered by a "Quad-Core" 32 nm, 64-bit Intel Mobile Core i7 "Sandy Bridge" (I7-2720QM) processor which includes four independent processor "cores" on a single silicon chip. Each core has a dedicated 256k level 2 cache, shares 6 MB of level 3 cache, and has an integrated memory controller (dual channel).
This system also supports "Turbo Boost 2.0" -- which "automatically increases the speed of the active cores" to improve performance when needed (up to 3.3 GHz for this model) -- and "Hyper Threading" -- which allows the system to recognize eight total "cores" or "threads" (four real and four virtual).

Turbo Boost: 3.3 GHz Custom Speeds: 2.3 GHz

Processor Upgrade: Soldered FPU: Integrated

System Bus Speed: 5 GT/s* Cache Bus Speed: 2.2 GHz (Built-in)

ROM/Firmware Type: EFI EFI Architecture: 64-Bit

L1 Cache: 32k/32k x4 L2/L3 Cache: 256k x 4, 6 MB*

RAM Type: PC3-10600 DDR3 Min. RAM Speed: 1333 MHz.

This Apple way to force people to either buy their latest junk (dongle computers) or crappy 13" MBP.

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

IDK about 2004 specs, but Win10 doesn't seem any heavier than 7 on some 2008 hardware I've used (with an HDD). Also, that's not what happens when a computer is overloaded.

Don't get me wrong, Win10 is trash. But its lightness is something to envy.

no problem but once you taste speed you can easily tell when I system is running slow
if I take out the m.2 in my computer and put a mechanical drive even the good ones
128 mb cache the performance will go down to the floor, yes it won't be super slow because all the other parts are good
but it will be slower than running windows off the m.2 drive
unless you have a fast system then you won't notice that much difference
I'm a windows hater, the last good windows was windows 7
Microsoft just stole all Mac OS feature and put them in windows 10
that's why windows 10 is a little bit good but w10 features are just cheap imitations of Mac OS

I respect everybody opinions and point of view but I personally don't like the bloatware
it is tablet or a pc
if I want a desktop computer why my system has tablet services running hogging system resources etc

this is what I don't like about Microsoft and apple got it right
one os for each different device but windows wants to merge everything together and make a mess
just go into the services and count how many unnecessary services are running
and those lego fire price tiles haha lol
I just can't use windows, I get upset in less than a minute
anyway peace
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Actually... I have installed Windows 10 on machines with those specs, with the exception of using 80 GB hard drives or larger.

The systems are actually very fast feeling and quite responsive. Boot time is usually 30 seconds or less.

The computers are very usable.

windows 10 will run good in 2008 hardware depending on ram, hard drive, cpu etc
but to say that w10 will run on a pentium 3 or a P4 1 GHZ CPU at a reasonable speed is a lie from Microsoft
yes it might run but super slow
1 ghz cpu's are from the early 2000's and 2008 Hardware is light years ahead

 

[Guy Clark]

Can understand the frustration of those running Macs that have missed the cut.

My initial reaction was negative that my mid 2011 21.5" iMac had missed out on Mojave but I thought again and admitted its had more than a reasonable run of compatibility OS X/macOS release wise. It is capable of running every release from Snow Leopard up to High Sierra. Some modern Macs are not as flexible being only able compatible from El Capitan which is likely to join Yosemite and become obsolete later this year.

No matter it is only when Sierra and more crucially High Sierra join that list should concern arise.
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Apple MacBook Pro 2.5 GHz (13.3-inch, Unibody, Dual-Core i5

• 2.5GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 Processor
• Powered by a 2.5GHz Intel Core i5 Ivy Bridge Processor (2 Total Cores)
  Sleek yet powerful. This notebook features 2 cores on a single silicon chip. What's that mean? It means this baby is not only slim, but it's fast as well
  • Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz
  • 3MB on-chip shared L3 cache
  • Supports Hyper-Threading
• Memory (RAM): Equipped with 4GB, maximum 16.0 GB supported
• 1600 MHz DDR3L SO-DIMM PC12800 memory
• Two memory slots.

VS
Apple MacBook Pro "Core i7" 2.2 17" Early 2011 Specs

Processors: 1 (4 Cores) Architecture: 64-Bit
Processor Speed: 2.2 GHz Processor Type: Core i7 (I7-2720QM)
Details: This model is powered by a "Quad-Core" 32 nm, 64-bit Intel Mobile Core i7 "Sandy Bridge" (I7-2720QM) processor which includes four independent processor "cores" on a single silicon chip. Each core has a dedicated 256k level 2 cache, shares 6 MB of level 3 cache, and has an integrated memory controller (dual channel).
This system also supports "Turbo Boost 2.0" -- which "automatically increases the speed of the active cores" to improve performance when needed (up to 3.3 GHz for this model) -- and "Hyper Threading" -- which allows the system to recognize eight total "cores" or "threads" (four real and four virtual).

Turbo Boost: 3.3 GHz Custom Speeds: 2.3 GHz

Processor Upgrade: Soldered FPU: Integrated

System Bus Speed: 5 GT/s* Cache Bus Speed: 2.2 GHz (Built-in)

ROM/Firmware Type: EFI EFI Architecture: 64-Bit

L1 Cache: 32k/32k x4 L2/L3 Cache: 256k x 4, 6 MB*

RAM Type: PC3-10600 DDR3 Min. RAM Speed: 1333 MHz.

This Apple way to force people to either buy their latest junk (dongle computers) or crappy 13" MBP.

Look at it in another light. You will have a stable system running macOS 10.13.6 High Sierra whilst the guinea pigs will be whinging about the instability of Mojave as with every new macOS release.

 

[flyinmac]

no problem but once you taste speed you can easily tell when I system is running slow
if I take out the m.2 in my computer and put a mechanical drive even the good ones
128 mb cache the performance will go down to the floor, yes it won't be super slow because all the other parts are good
but it will be slower than running windows off the m.2 drive
unless you have a fast system then you won't notice that much difference
I'm a windows hater, the last good windows was windows 7
Microsoft just stole all Mac OS feature and put them in windows 10
that's why windows 10 is a little bit good but w10 features are just cheap imitations of Mac OS

I respect everybody opinions and point of view but I personally don't like the bloatware
it is tablet or a pc
if I want a desktop computer why my system has tablet services running hogging system resources etc

this is what I don't like about Microsoft and apple got it right
one os for each different device but windows wants to merge everything together and make a mess
just go into the services and count how many unnecessary services are running
and those lego fire price tiles haha lol
I just can't use windows, I get upset in less than a minute
anyway peace
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windows 10 will run good in 2008 hardware depending on ram, hard drive, cpu etc
but to say that w10 will run on a pentium 3 or a P4 1 GHZ CPU at a reasonable speed is a lie from Microsoft
yes it might run but super slow
1 ghz cpu's are from the early 2000's and 2008 Hardware is light years ahead

Well, you’re free to believe anything you like. But my old PC’s running Windows 10 are very efficient, very fast, and get the job done. And I never find myself waiting on them.

While my old computers actually were aggravatingly slow with Windows XP and destined for the trash heap, I was amazed at how fast they suddenly became with Windows 10 Pro.

I originally doubted Microsoft’s claim. So I tried it more as a joke. Suddenly that old machine went from being annoying, to being snappy and responsive.

So I updated all my old computers with Windows 10.

Yes, that includes Pentium 4, and Athlon 64 machines. I’ve actually even installed it on some old P4 generation Celerons.

Microsoft did an amazing job streamlining Windows 10. Its optimization made it lighter and more responsive than Windows XP.

I’m not a huge Microsoft fan. But I will give credit where credit is due.

 

[organicCPU]

I seem to recall some work arounds to get Sierra and High Sierra installed on older macs that were dropped by Apple.

I think that this is not the case for the 2011 iMac of @HiRez. It should run High Sierra, just not Mojave as long as there is no workaround existing.
I guess the problem in his case is, that the iMac can't get the official firmware that is usually installed on these models by a certain macOS update. It probably got lost due to the hard drive crash or exchange. Maybe it's still sitting on the external drive but not loaded from there. Additionally we have no idea if there is an internal drive installed or not and what macOS is running on it. I find it interesting enough suggesting a separate thread, because here its probably way too off-topic.

 

[Guy Clark]

no problem but once you taste speed you can easily tell when I system is running slow
if I take out the m.2 in my computer and put a mechanical drive even the good ones
128 mb cache the performance will go down to the floor, yes it won't be super slow because all the other parts are good
but it will be slower than running windows off the m.2 drive
unless you have a fast system then you won't notice that much difference
I'm a windows hater, the last good windows was windows 7
Microsoft just stole all Mac OS feature and put them in windows 10
that's why windows 10 is a little bit good but w10 features are just cheap imitations of Mac OS

I respect everybody opinions and point of view but I personally don't like the bloatware
it is tablet or a pc
if I want a desktop computer why my system has tablet services running hogging system resources etc

this is what I don't like about Microsoft and apple got it right
one os for each different device but windows wants to merge everything together and make a mess
just go into the services and count how many unnecessary services are running
and those lego fire price tiles haha lol
I just can't use windows, I get upset in less than a minute
anyway peace
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windows 10 will run good in 2008 hardware depending on ram, hard drive, cpu etc
but to say that w10 will run on a pentium 3 or a P4 1 GHZ CPU at a reasonable speed is a lie from Microsoft
yes it might run but super slow
1 ghz cpu's are from the early 2000's and 2008 Hardware is light years ahead

Installing Windows 10 on a Pentium 4 is a huge gamble let alone a Pentium 3. I have known many driver issues with some Intel Core 2 Duo machines. Microsoft have indeed done well Windows 10 is very streamlined but they have once again misled the consumer in to believing Windows 10 will be compatible with their Hardware. Many users were drawn in by the GWX push only to find it was grossly incompatible with their Hardware or even worse rendered their Laptop/PC unusable.

 

[vasim]

But if we stay to HSierra, will we get the new App Store?

 

[mandReas]

Apple this morning introduced macOS 10.14 Mojave, the newest version of the operating system designed to run on the Mac.

macOS Mojave is a major update that introduces a range of new features like a Dark Mode, Desktop and Finder improvements, new apps, and a revamped Mac App Store, but unfortunately, the update drops support for a number of machines.

While macOS High Sierra was available for some machines manufactured as early as 2009, macOS Mojave is largely limited to 2012 or newer machines, with the exception of some Mac Pro models. Here's a full list:

[*]MacBook (Early 2015 or newer)
[*]MacBook Air (Mid 2012 or newer)
[*]MacBook Pro (Mid 2012 or newer)
[*]Mac mini (Late 2012 or newer)
[*]iMac (Late 2012 or newer)
[*]iMac Pro (2017)
[*]Mac Pro (Late 2013, plus mid 2010 and mid 2012 models with recommended Metal-capable GPU)

As you can see, compared to High Sierra, the update drops support for the older plastic MacBooks, and MacBook Pro, Air, mini, and iMac models from 2009, 2010, and 2011.

These older machines will not have access to the macOS Mojave features, and will continue to run macOS High Sierra.

Developers can download macOS Mojave starting today, and the update should be available for public beta testers later this summer.

Article Link: macOS 10.14 Mojave Drops Support for Many Older Machines

Mac is a phone company now. Once my machines fully expire I’ll have no problem switching to PCs to get my PRO work done. They clearly don’t care anymore about Pro users and are fumbling through they’re computer line up.

 

[ErikGrim]

Mac is a phone company now. Once my machines fully expire I’ll have no problem switching to PCs to get my PRO work done. They clearly don’t care anymore about Pro users and are fumbling through they’re computer line up.

Oh ffs. Have you been asleep for the last year or so?

They have TWO lines of Pro computers as well as an entire division dedicated to working with Professionals to shape workflows that will inform future hardware, OS and pro software updates.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/apples-2019-imac-pro-will-be-shaped-by-workflows/

We are ALREADY seeing the fruits of this in Mojave!

 

[TVreporter]

Have had my 2011 iMac sitting gathering dust as High Sierra simply bricked it and not one restore option works... Including time machine.

Time for some serious thought on my next purchase - the High Sierra debacle has left me angry and annoyed. And a decent iMac st Canadian prices would top near $3,000 - no thanks.