macOS Hides the Notch on New MacBook Pro in Full-Screen Mode

fourthtunz said:
the notch brings a better camera, which is great for some not so great for others, but the screen is bigger
so for most the notch won't affect a thing.
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So you are saying that without the notch we wouldn't get a better camera? I am sorry but I don't believe it. I do not hate the notch, but I still fail to see the advantage of it on a MacBook Pro.

I also do not understand why nobody speaks about the battery life regression when compared with the 13,3" M1 MBP.
 
This seems a bit of a fudge to me. The screen visibly gets smaller when you go full screen? Surely that's the opposite of what you want. And all that empty black space and they don't even put a clock in it?

Really the top bar of full screen apps should expand to incorporate the notch and extra screen real estate.

Hopefully in the next MacOS they come up with a better solution than this.
 
I am so dumbfounded by the constant whining over something so trivial in terms of the notch....seriously?! The fact that the task bar shifts up anyway is better all round giving more screen real estate. If you have nothing better to complain about other than something so insignificant, you should seriously get out more. Apple have pretty much given users what they requested so you can't find anything to complain about so you focus on the notch....unbelievable. No matter what Apple launched, I've concluded you'll always find something :rolleyes:
 
The notch only made sense if it was a Face ID camera.... they literally could have done a hole punch. I can't grasp why you would add into your design language the most hated design feature of all time.
 
jz0309 said:
well, look at that - who would have thought??? :rolleyes:
Notch haters, get on with life, it's going to stay for years to come
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MacRumors said:
when macOS apps are in full-screen mode, macOS places an artificial black bezel at the top of the display that essentially hides the notch. When users are not in full-screen macOS apps, the notch remains, and the macOS Menu Bar has been made thicker to accommodate the notch
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Hallucinating the user that they are in full screen
 
DronesOn said:
It would have been a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th with Apple down by three runs.

Still, arguably the best product upgrade in the history of Apple.
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Agreed, these machines are MONSTERS on paper. They really put the "Pro" where it counts.

Can't wait for the real-world tests.
 
This is a fine solution on macOS. Without control of the app ecosystem and ability to enforce a “safe area” around the notch, this is the easiest solution. You get the aesthetics of rounded corners and thin even bezel without apps having to worry about them.

I wonder if apps can be updated to take advantage of the extra real estate by ensuring no components interfere with the notch. Would be nicer than a digital black forehead bezel.
 
ooans said:
Do people actually use programs in full screen like that? I surely dont!

Maybe watch a photo full screen at times, thats the only time I'd notice this!
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only when presenting something. but no, it seems silly specially if you don't gain the real state from hiding the menu bar.
 
DesertDrummer said:
I do all the time. VSCode, Xcode, MS Teams, Calendar, iTunes even. I much prefer switching desktops with a quick keystroke (or, more often, finger-flick) than trying to find a particular sub-optimally-sized window.
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I’ve found a lot of people don’t know about or like Spaces. I don’t get it. I love that feature and couldn’t imagine not having it.
 
petvas said:
So please enlighten me because I still do not understand something: The Intel based 16" MBP had a 16" display. The new M1 based 16" MBP has a 16,2" display. After removing the notch, how big is the net display size in full screen? Is it 16" as the intel based MBP?
How about the 14" model? What is its net size? Is it 13,3
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Yup, you're on the right track, based on my calculations, in fullscreen mode, that area should measure 16.09635" diagonally.
 
If anything, this makes full-screen mode even better than before. I dislike how the menubar pushes down in full-screen mode, today. Now that there's a dedicated space for it, I hope it can just appear and disappear (or optionally stay visible) in full-screen mode without pushing into the window content.
 
MallardDuck said:
Well, you won't be running either natively, so it'll depend on your hypervisor. My guess is that they will just cut off the top part of the screen and make it unusable.
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I cannot find any YouTube reviews on these machines yet. So we need to wait for somebody to get the machine and try it first? Perhaps another week? For coding and writing, I welcome the increased vertical resolutions. I am not a fan of dark mode so I have no plan to use black wallpaper to hide the notch if I buy the new machine.

I wonder if these MacBook Pro 2021 can run Windows under Parallels faster than MacBook Pro 2021 running Bootcamp?
 
ooans said:
Do people actually use programs in full screen like that? I surely dont!

Maybe watch a photo full screen at times, thats the only time I'd notice this!
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On a laptop? Yes, I do all the time? Safari right now. Also, any computer game like Civilization 6 uses information at the top.
nikhsub1 said:
So they make the bezel much bigger on the top then call this hiding the notch? Okay, semantics I guess. I'd rather have the full screen and see the notch but whatever.
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As I mention above, some apps would have their information covered by the notch in full screen if they didn't scale down the full screen.
nutmac said:
While I wish the notch included a Face ID array, I can't recall using an app that shows anything where the notch would be.

Apple should include a black menu bar option.
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dlondon said:
I would be good if they have an option for just the clock on a black bar in full screen mode.
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It is an interesting thought to be able to display some information in the bar when in full screen mode. Clock, notifications, other?
 
rorschach said:
Sooo…why not just keep the top bezel at that point? Extra space just for a taller menu bar?
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...because more screen real estate. Before the bar would take up 1/4 inch of space. Now they can slide it up an that same amount, reduce bezels and put the notch in the useless empty space of the bar. 99% of the time it's gonna have a menu bar over it, the other 1% you'll either be watching a video with bars (16:10) ratio, all video is 16:9 or you'll be in full screen mode and won't even see it.
 
zachz said:
I’m embarrassed that I’ve never once thought of or considered thickness when it came to FaceID on a MacBook…

Maybe they‘ll do something similar to Huawei’s laptop and put the camera and FaceID tech in a pop out on the keyboard 😂
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I will take the notch or even a potato webcam like on the newer Dells XPS over a webcam below the screen. The angle from the chin is really unflattering for most people.
 
It’s an elegant design, when you see the tradeoffs between form and function. You get both here. In full screen mode, the notch isn’t visible. It’s only visible when the menu bar is present. So we have two menu bar sections now instead of one continuous one. The tradeoff is worth it. Not to mention, I’m sure you’ll be able to customize the menu bar appearance with 3rd party tools. It’s one thing to complain about a demo, but most doubts will disappear when actually using it and realizing how easily it will fade into the background. You won’t even think about it, much like the phones
 
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