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Can you make a public download for the installer please???

Illegal or legal? Both are already available.

It’s more of a question of what’s easy and what’s hard.

Unfortunately it is the illegal one which is easy. I won’t put links to torrents, but they are easy to find anyway.

The hard way (and legal way) is to use the full installer for 10.12.6 which is still available from apple at http://osxapps.itunes.apple.com/app...f-c96a-3c13cf191052/par759846163980697280.pkg

As has been mentioned before though this package is difficult to use and so unless apple improve the situation most people won’t bother with it and just get the torrent instead.
 
If you need to downgrade I think you can bring your computer in and the genius can install any OS you want that shipped with your computer and up. If they are supper nice they will make a bootable drive if you have a drive.
True. However, it would be very hard for those of us with a 27" iMac, especially when the Apple Store is in the shopping mall.
 
Lucky I downloaded the Sierra 10.12.6 installer last week.
Same here. I noticed it wasn't in the purchased tab like previous releases so I downloaded it before High Sierra was released. If anyone truly cared they would have done the same.
 
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Same here. I noticed it wasn't in the purchased tab like previous releases so I downloaded it before High Sierra was released. If anyone truly cared they would have done the same.
It isn't a matter of some people not caring. It is a matter of Apple not giving people a warning ahead of time, that the OS installer is going to be removed on such and such date, instead of silently removing it.
 
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There is no logical reason to hide Sierra installer. Obviously Apple still has to support Sierra for a while anyway. And it appears the installers ARE still on the Apple server. I keep installers anyway but this move makes no sense. If anything, it is weird that Apple still has very old OS installers listed in the purchase tab and not more recent-still supported OS like Sierra.
 
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Whatever you managed to link there, it can't even be opened.
google the file name. you can with a little bit of work.
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Usually when Apple complicates things or removes a standardized, unified way to do one thing, that alone is a strong message and signal for more things to come.

Why do you both act like you don't know it?

why do you assume things that are completely wrong?
 
This is because you don’t know how to use the package. Follow instuctions on this website to use the package.

https://7labs.heypub.com/tips-tricks/macos-sierra-direct-download.html

By the way the one you downloaded is just 10.12. If you want the full installer for 10.12.6 use http://osxapps.itunes.apple.com/app...f-c96a-3c13cf191052/par759846163980697280.pkg instead


I recently followed the instructions at the 7labs.heypub.com link you suggest only to discover step 4 requires that Sierra's installer be in the App Store, which as well all know: it's gone.

"Step 4: Now launch the Mac App Store and install macOS Sierra in the usual way. This time, MAS will fetch the package files from localhost and launch the installer package once the packages have been processed."
 
The method you asked about doesn't work.

So all the posts here about the pkg files, the reference to the Pacifist program, etc. are ill-founded or bogus? If so I picture us as iron filings being dragged around by a magnet, ultimately going nowhere.
 
So all the posts here about the pkg files, the reference to the Pacifist program, etc. are ill-founded or bogus? If so I picture us as iron filings being dragged around by a magnet, ultimately going nowhere.
The member that originally posted the link meant well. He just happened to miss the important part in step 4 (that can't be accomplished).

I called Apple tech support today, to see what would be said, and her reply was, if you have a Time Machine back up, you need to use that. That is the only way. No apology etc. Wasn't surprised.
 
I called Apple tech support today, to see what would be said, and her reply was, if you have a Time Machine back up, you need to use that. That is the only way. No apology etc. Wasn't surprised.

Your support person was clueless. (I had a clueless one on web chat yesterday who said that there was no reason anyone would want to install Sierra instead of High Sierra. He added that both versions were supported on ANY Mac back to 2009, which is incorrect - 2009 Mac Pros aren't supported. I closed the chat window and tried again a couple of minutes later. The next "Advisor" was better.)

As I said earlier, a fresh install of the OS is a common troubleshooting step these days for all sorts of issues - Apple support has recommended it to me more than once, and it has generally gone smoothly.

If a part of the OS becomes corrupted and the corrupted file gets backed up, then restoring from a Time Machine backup won't help.

I suspect this isn't a matter of a big policy change at Apple, but rather disorganization and incompetence.
 
 

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I just sent the following email to Tim Cook.

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Mr. Cook,

I purchased a 2017 27” iMac on 9/2/17. On 9/26/2017, I upgraded to High Sierra. After I upgraded, I realized that I had forgotten to download MacOS Sierra (which, as you know, came with my iMac). I proceeded to the Mac App Store to find that macOS Sierra was not listed under purchases nor was it anywhere else on the Mac App Store. As a consumer of several Apple products, I am dismayed and (frankly) upset that you have removed my ability to download Sierra and make a bootable USB installer, should something go wrong with High Sierra. I realize that Time Machine can be used to revert back to macOS Sierra. However, if there is a problem with the Time Machine backup, ( e.g. corrupt) Time Machine will be of no use to me, and I will not be able to return my new iMac to macOS Sierra.

Driving to the nearest Apple Store at the mall is not really practical either, as I would have to disconnect all the drives currently connected, pack up the iMac in the same condition as received, and carry it approximately three quarters of a mile from the parking lot to the inside location of a rather large mall.

Attempting the ‘Internet Recovery’ option is only as good as one’s connection. And if my internet connection is down or having trouble, I won’t be able to properly avail myself of said feature. That brings us back to the need for creating a USB installer.

I really don’t understand why MacOS Sierra has been silently removed from the Mac App Store. If Apple has decided on some new OS availability path, you should have seen to it, that your customers were properly notified ahead of time. We depend on the ability of the Mac App Store to provide us with our purchased products. When you selectively remove an OS that until a few days ago has been installed on a plethora of Macs, (including my new iMac) it creates potential hardship on your customers, not to mention unnecessary animus.

As a long time Apple customer, I am imploring you to change course and make macOS Sierra available for download once again in the Mac App Store. And should you wish to remove the OS again, give us customers notice, so that we are aware of what is about to transpire. In my opinion, that is the right thing to do.

Respectfully,
My name and phone number
 
There are other reasons too why Sierra should still be available.

1. There may be several people happy with Sierra and have no intention of upgrading to High Sierra or above. They need access to their installation software in case something goes wrong, which in this case is Sierra!

2. Developers need older systems to test for backward compatibility. Whilst seasoned developers may already have older systems backed up, new developers won't necessarily already have them. So they need some way of downloading them.

3. As BasicGreatGuy said another reason is if something goes wrong with High Sierra, one might want to downgrade to Sierra. Some may be able to do this via time machine backup, but not everyone has this either. Hence those who don't will also need some way of downloading Sierra.
 
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The worst thing about all this for me is the truly atrocious attitude and complete ineptitude of AppleCare staff.

They have been a complete and utter failure. Their responses are full of the typical endless 'customer service placation language' they are clearly trained to say when they have zero actual facts to what is being asked. It's so bloody annoying!**

With this issue, they fail to understand any need for past OS download, and then have the gaul to question you in depth about why YOU need it, rather than go and find out what's going on, and then file an INTERNAL report about the issue. (It's none of their god damn business why I need it, I don't need to explain myself to people who don't have a clue about MY use whatsoever!!)

If you do explain some reasons (VM's, debugging, failure of current OS, etc.), they still completely ignore your concerns, and try and persuade you that High Sierra should be used, regardless of you explaining your software cannot use it yet. Or they say the TimeMachine/Recovery methods, despite you saying they aren't going to work.

The worst thing though, is how they also continually palm you off between staff members ("Store" people send you to "Tech" people, and vice-versa, with NO ONE taking responsibility for the actual question being asked, by dealing with the issue INTERNALLY before then coming back to the customer with the answer! No, instead they expect YOU to continually contact each AC 'team' yourself, when you have absolutely no idea on which AC 'team' you should be speaking to, given WE don't frigging work for Apple; THEY do!).
And then they get snotty with you when you get upset with their compete failure to take your question further.

They also use the endless get-out excuse of "escalating to engineering" – which from past attempts with AppleCare, is simply a euphemism for "go away, and don't expect any future resolution to your problem".

After dealing with countless 'teams', so-called 'Senior Advisors' who sound like spoilt children and have no idea, or apparent 'tech' team staff who ignore that you've tried all the things they're suggesting (after you've just told them you have!), and then take you through them again.

Quite simply, Apple mgmt need to pull their head out their backsides, and realise that this form of support, is NOT the way it should be done.
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** 'placation language' like these dross examples from AppleCare staff over the last 48h...

"My name is Angela, I’m a Senior Advisor with the iTunes Store. Your case came across my desk, and I wanted to make sure we did everything we could to help."
– let me throw up already!

"I know that you would like this resolved so you can update your computer, and I will be happy to guide you to a resolution."
– just give the answer, not ^this filler wank!

"Thanks for contacting us. I understand that you’re having issues downloading your MacOS. I know how important it is to have this addressed. Let me look into this for you and provide you relevant information."
– re-explain my question to me: why? And no, don't have a 'look into this' now, you should have done that already, then come to me with the one sentence answer to my query.

"To set your expectations right, your request for help has reached the iTunes Store Customer Support Team. I'm able to address billing, account, download, and content questions related to the iTunes Store."
– erm, I know your name and department already, because, like all letters/emails; you've put them at the bottom of the email already! And obviously "to set your expectations right" = euphemism for you have nothing to tell me; but keep using such pointless language, I'm sure it works on some customers who don't think it sounds silly and stupid!

...and plenty more.
 
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People are getting lazier and expect every update to be available in perpetuity on demand

Why not? Why is that expectation unreasonable? It's not like Apple doesn't have the server space to store the file.

Same here. I noticed it wasn't in the purchased tab like previous releases so I downloaded it before High Sierra was released. If anyone truly cared they would have done the same

Keyword: noticed. You think every Mac user runs to the app store and checks on their previous purchases daily? :rolleyes: Bully for you if you do but please realize that other people have lives and better things to do than to make up for Apple's shortcomings and poor policies.
 
I have downloaded every point update full installer since Lion. Once the 10.x reaches the final point, I keep only that. I have never trusted Apple (or Microsoft) not to pull something like this, so I protect myself.
Can everyone stop repeating this. OK we get it, you were all really really clever and have a copy. Well done. Especially after 5 people have said the same thing. And I'd love to see one of you still so excited, if you happen to lose said copy, only to realise you also then can't get another via downloading it again directly from Apple, just as other users here cannot now.

This thread is about why Apple have completely removed it from download, without any previous notice or comment as to why, post-High Sierra's release. Rather than how clever you are in having a copy already.

Thanks!
 
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On a related note. Is there are time limit after which I won't be able to install an already downloaded Sierra install? (I vaguely remember that this might be an issue).

I'm on El Capitan now. I want to upgrade to Sierra. I have already downloaded Sierra from the App store (pre-High Sierra). Do I have X-months to upgrade before Apple revokes some certificate or something. Or can I update whenever?

Anyone know? I would update now but I'm swamped with work and I can't deal with any show stopper bugs right now. I'll upgrade to High Sierra in a year when APFS has been thoroughly vetted.

There was a thread on MR about expired certificates of system installers downloaded in the past that I can't find ATM. Basically, you got an error and couldn't install anymore macOS even from a flash drive installer.

AFAIK you had two options:
1. download again from MAS with an updated certificate (that option seems to vanish)
2. reset your Mac to some date before certificate expiration (e.g. 'sudo date 0101010116')

If the possibility to download old installers won't be given anymore for certain installers, there comes the time when you need some trick like option 2 to make use of your copy of Sierra. Other possibilities could be to disable certificate validation or exchange the expired cert with a new one. I don't know how to do that.

To check the expiration date of a certain package you double-click a package and press the lock icon in the right corner of the installer window. See https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202369

Checking a pkg file in my recently downloaded macOS Sierra installer came up with expiration on 24th October 2019.

If the installer package isn't able to start up the installer window, you can try checking the signature's validity by:
Code:
pkgutil --check-signature path/to/installer.pkg

There are various other certificates in the (key)chain that macOS will consider, too.

By the way, I'm not an early adopter anymore and will probably wait for the last release of High Sierra before installing it. That should be next year around the same time. Then I'll also have one or two bootable backups of Sierra ready...

IMO, it would be kindly, if Apple would continue to serve old operating systems with updated signatures, though.
 
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Here is what I managed to do:

Had an USB stick with El Capitan Installed. The app store under El Cap, Sierra is listed in the purchased list and can be downloaded as usual.

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Booted from the USB stick, downloaded the installer. No need to mess around with package files, etc. Also since you can download El Capitan (get El Capitan from the App Store) and you need Sierra, it's worth installing on a separate partition and download the Sierra installer.
 
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