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I'm curious about the moderator workload as it applies to PRSI.

From some people's post, it seems that they believe that the moderators have the most work and spend the most time there.
 
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Don't forget about the report stats thread which usually shows iDevice and News forums as more reported than PRSI.

 
My personal opinion (not speaking on behalf of the site in any way) is that having designated sections where political and social issues can be discussed is an understandable choice on a site of this size and with such a diverse membership. That way, discussions of political and social issues are kept out of other sections.

I don't think the issue here is whether or not a particular forum section should exist, because no one is forced to read a given forum section. Those who don't want to see or aren't interested in a section can hide it from view.

I disagree that it's incumbent on the site owner to take any particular action.
^ This. When you can simply remove it from view it will disappear and guests don't even know it exists. IMO anyone who says it detracts from their experience is willfully choosing to keep it in their sights.
 
^ This. When you can simply remove it from view it will disappear and guests don't even know it exists. IMO anyone who says it detracts from their experience is willfully choosing to keep it in their sights.

Agreed the ignore actually works really well these days ever since Arn updated it (was it late last year or earlier this year, I can't remember). I just get wrapped up into the political news articles now and then. lol.
 
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Agreed the ignore actually works really well these days ever since Arn updated it (was it late last year or earlier this year, I can't remember). I just get wrapped up into the political news articles now and then. lol.
I chose not to view the forum any more, which suits me fine. It is moderated tightly from actual political forum online and it is still a problem. Any charges of racism involving the staff, which is ludicrous, is just another issue that shouldn’t have to be addressed, not to mention all the other complaints pertaining to said forum.

It is a real shame that so many adults apparently lack the ability to conduct themselves in a respectful manner in said forum per the rules and more importantly, human civility. Otherwise, it wouldn’t keep looking like Ground Hog day with the same kinds of topics in this forum constantly repeated until it gets locked until the next ‘woe is me’ type thread, where users who don’t pay a thing for the site complain about the treatment or lack thereof, in the PRSI forum.ile

Plutonius: While I respect your forum right to vote my previous post in this thread as yea or nay, I am perplexed as to why you voted angry towards me. My post was civil and respectful to all. In my opinion, one can disagree with my viewpoint without feeling the need or inclination to be angry. I didn’t expect everyone to agree with me. At the same time, I see nothing in my posting that should foment anger insider another forum member. I don’t expect a reply. Just consider inner reflection and I will say no more about it.
 
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Plutonius: While I respect your forum right to vote my previous post in this thread as yea or nay, I am perplexed as to why you voted angry towards me. My post was civil and respectful to all. In my opinion, one can disagree with my viewpoint without feeling the need or inclination to be angry. I didn’t expect everyone to agree with me. At the same time, I see nothing in my posting that should foment anger insider another forum member. I don’t expect a reply. Just consider inner reflection and I will say no more about it.

Unfortunately, there is no disagree vote except for news articles so I ended up selecting the angry one.

I'm not angry with you and your post was civil and respectful so I will remove it.

I just wish that the disagree choice was there so I could have selected it.
 
Unfortunately, there is no disagree vote except for news articles so I ended up selecting the angry one.

I'm not angry with you and your post was civil and respectful so I will remove it.

I just wish that the disagree choice was there so I could have selected it.
Adding a simple thumbs down to the "Like" row would address this. They must have a specific reason for not allowing it, instead people try to work around it and it make things ambiguous.
 
then start charging a separate yearly fee to access said forum

I would be in favor of this, as long as the fee is reasonable.
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Personally, I think that PRSI is a valuable addition to the forum, for it allows for, and makes space for, discussions that do not - and cannot - take place elsewhere in the forum.

Moreover, it is easily avoided for those who do not wish to avail of it.

I would also put forward the argument that it is not really possible to discuss tech and computing matters in the sort of vacuum that is devoid of - or, has been stripped of - socio-political context for a number of reasons.

Tech, and how it is used, has utterly transformed our world and our relationship with it - and I would argue that scope and range of this transformation has been on a par with the comprehensive changes effected by a number of previous such revolutions (for example, the invention of the printing press & moveable type & the development of paper; the Industrial Revolution).

This has implications not just for control of (and ownership of) personal information, and privacy concerns, and online lives and platforms, but on who - or what - should have a say in how to regulate this, and discussion of such topics are entirely fitting in a tech forum.

Moreover, some tech companies are now far wealthier, more powerful and considerably more influential than many small or mid sized economies or polities or countries (nation states?) in the world, but are not at all accountable to any of their electorates or governments.

This is an area where I would certainly foresee tensions in the future, and to exclude discussion on the power exercised by tech companies in not just the global economy, but the global reach of their political and cultural influence, on the grounds that it is "political", is to draw a distinction that may serve to suppress discussion, debate and thought on some key issues.

Re Apple itself, the company's tax polices and labour policies are matters that I would deem of equal importance to Apple's undoubted skill in the field of technological innovation.

Thus, they are (to my mind) matters that would repay deeper discussion and closer interrogation, which cannot be done unless political and social matters can be explored.

However, recent events have made this even more pressing, as, in the wake of Covid-19, some bodies (such as the EU) are re-thinking their dependency on China for the provision - for example - of pharmaceuticals and antibiotics, as they wish to reduce trade dependencies (and develop their own capacity) in areas that they consider may make them vulnerable in the future unless such steps have been taken.

There are other issues in the tech world - such Silicon Valley's treatment of, and attitude to - women, and how that has had an impact on how tech is developed - (voice control commands that do not register or recognise commands issued by most women, as the timbre of their voice lacks the necessary depth - come to mind) where the provision of such a section in the forum allows for such discussion.

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If that is the case, it really makes no sense to continue having the forum, especially when it continues to be a place that continues to need more and more forum hand-holding, time outs and suspensions, not to mention impugning the overall integrity this tech site.

I rejoice in your optimism about humanity, but the simple fact is that removing PRSI from MacRumors will inevitably have a trickle down effect because we, as humans, tend to behave in a certain way. There would be absolutely no way to prevent political discourse to enter into the Community Section and possibly other forums that are more general in nature (iPhone, iOS etc.). Can you imagine the Community section in 2020 without PRSI? Just the Covid-19 related threads would be on fire, let alone when more "civic life" issues are on the front page... especially during an election year. Contrary, thanks to the idea that PRSI exists, we have been able to keep the Community one of the best sections that exist on this forum; we have a bunch of Covid-19 threads (informational, humor, etc.) that contain virtually zero politics. We have a bunch of sport-related threads that contain virtually zero politics. Take a look at the thread about books, whenever a book about politics/politicians appears the discussion is 99% about the style and the quality of information and less about politics; not long ago I reported reading "Justice Under Trial," a book about a very controversial event. I was able to stay far from politics simply by writing something on the lines of "if you want to know what I think about the event, check my posts on PRSI." Without that I would've been forced to introduce my position to an extent that would be inviting for the most politics-prone individuals on MR.
 
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I remember when I contacted the MacRumors staff about a forum member who appeared to be a Nazi sympathizer. They told me they couldn't do anything about it. I was appalled and upset. I also contacted them a few times about the sexism on this forum and they didn't do anything. I don't come on these forums as often anymore and I'm careful about going into certain posts. The racism and sexism on these forums is disgusting. I honestly don't know why I'm still here.
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Banning discussion of controversial opinions is a terrible idea. All you're gonna achieve is more polarization. You don't change minds by trying to snuff out voices, you change minds by having MORE voices all talking to one another. The more you ban a controversial opinion from general discussion will just cause those discussions to happen in increasingly separate echo chambers where people will only hear other people agreeing with them and further radicalizing their opinions.

In other words, "the antidote to free speech is more free speech."

Racism is a "controversial" issue...? What?? This is why racism will always exist in America and elsewhere.
 
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I remember when I contacted the MacRumors staff about a forum member who appeared to be a Nazi sympathizer. They told me they couldn't do anything about it. I was appalled and upset. I also contacted them a few times about the sexism on this forum and they didn't do anything. I don't come on these forums as often anymore and I'm careful about going into certain posts. The racism and sexism on these forums is disgusting. I honestly don't know why I'm still here.
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Racism is a "controversial" issue...? What?? This is why racism will always exist in America and elsewhere.

It makes me sad to read your post. I am sorry you have this experience here.

Out of the many hundreds of thousands of posts I've read here on this forum over the last 8 years, I've reported maybe 6-7 racist and/or sexist posts (mostly racist) and the mods were very quick to deal with them (deleting the posts and suspending the members for a good number of days).

Would you happen to have these threads handy where the macrumors staff didn't act? I am sure we would be very interested in seeing them. (I say this not facetiously but with genuine interest).

Hope your weekend goes well.
 
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I remember when I contacted the MacRumors staff about a forum member who appeared to be a Nazi sympathizer. They told me they couldn't do anything about it. I was appalled and upset. I also contacted them a few times about the sexism on this forum and they didn't do anything. I don't come on these forums as often anymore and I'm careful about going into certain posts. The racism and sexism on these forums is disgusting. I honestly don't know why I'm still here.
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Racism is a "controversial" issue...? What?? This is why racism will always exist in America and elsewhere.
There are multiple threads discussing racism where the participants adhere to the rules of the site. I'm sorry you feel that the staff appeared to let racism and sexism slide. That is not my experience. The moderators and administrators work to clean up threads and posts in PRSI that go afoul of the rules, from what I can see.

As far as the "Nazi sympathizer" comment. While you can get a inkling of the type of person a Nazi sympathizer could be, being one, or proclaiming to be one, is not against the rules. As far as the sexism goes, it's very clear from many of the threads that discuss this (including this thread) that group slurs and like won't be tolerated...but I guess some comments could fall under the radar.

I can only say, that sometimes, an answer back to these posts in a way that violates some of the rules, could backfire on the respondent.

The better approach is to keep reporting those posts that you believe are in violation of the rules. And as the mods keep saying, if the moderation of those posts isn't to your satisfaction, use the "contact us" button to continue the conversation.
 
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I'm curious about the moderator workload as it applies to PRSI.

From some people's post, it seems that they believe that the moderators have the most work and spend the most time there.

Didn’t some of the moderators directly comment in other threads that they actually don’t visit PRSI or scour for violations unless it’s reported? (Im asking rhetorically). I highly doubt the moderators spend their free time roaming PRSI reading that garbage unless somebody reports something that appears to a rules issue, then they probably frequent visiting more of XYZ thread. It’s just like the iPhone forum, I don’t think the moderators browse all those topics looking for violations, unless they come across it themselves on a topic they were looking into personally and/or if it was reported from a member. There’s just too much content on a site like this for them just to ‘hang out’ in one specific forum.

[Also, it’s probably A common tactic other members trying to bait certain members into said arguments, then report that member to moderators for any violations to potentially have them banned, which I’m sure draws the moderators into that specific thread for any other concerns.]
 
Didn’t some of the moderators directly comment in other threads that they actually don’t visit PRSI or scour for violations unless it’s reported? (Im asking rhetorically). I highly doubt the moderators spend their free time roaming PRSI reading that garbage unless somebody reports something that appears to a rules issue, then they probably frequent visiting more of XYZ thread. It’s just like the iPhone forum, I don’t think the moderators browse all those topics looking for violations, unless they come across it themselves on a topic they were looking into personally and/or if it was reported from a member. There’s just too much content on a site like this for them just to ‘hang out’ in one specific forum.
Yup.

[Also, it’s probably A common tactic other members trying to bait certain members into said arguments, then report that member to moderators for any violations to potentially have them banned, which I’m sure draws the moderators into that specific thread for any other concerns.]
Let there be no doubt about it.
 
Didn’t some of the moderators directly comment in other threads that they actually don’t visit PRSI or scour for violations unless it’s reported? (Im asking rhetorically). I highly doubt the moderators spend their free time roaming PRSI reading that garbage unless somebody reports something that appears to a rules issue, then they probably frequent visiting more of XYZ thread. It’s just like the iPhone forum, I don’t think the moderators browse all those topics looking for violations, unless they come across it themselves on a topic they were looking into personally and/or if it was reported from a member. There’s just too much content on a site like this for them just to ‘hang out’ in one specific forum.
That is accurate. Personally, I have blocked the PRSI forum and only visit there in response to reported posts.
 
While you can get a inkling of the type of person a Nazi sympathizer could be, being one, or proclaiming to be one, is not against the rules.
Uhm. How is being a Nazi sympathizer or proclaiming to be a Nazi sympathizer NOT against the rules????????????? WTF. How can you even write something like this? I'm honestly done with this forum. I should have left a while ago. This is my last post here.
 
Uhm. How is being a Nazi sympathizer or proclaiming to be a Nazi sympathizer NOT against the rules????????????? WTF. How can you even write something like this? I'm honestly done with this forum. I should have left a while ago. This is my last post here.
It seems you want "free speech" censored (or censured?) based on your opinion of what should be allowed rather than what's written and interpreted in or by the staff based on the site rules. What's allowed, what's not allowed is not up to me. I was offering up some explanation, since I (we) were not privvy to the threads/wording in those threads to comment on.

As distasteful as some of the threads on PRSI are to me, I recognize their right to be discussed in that forum, within the rules.
 
Let's put it in a different light. If I post something like "I am a person who consistently insults and trolls other users," that is not a rules violation (as long as it's on topic to the thread subject). Stating what kind of person you are is not something that's prohibited under our rules.

However, insulting and trolling other users is behavior that's not allowed under the rules, so any such posts will indeed be moderated.

By the same token, saying you are Nazi sympathizer is not a violation, whereas posting hate speech or slurs (as distinct for insults in our rules) is not allowed and will be moderated.

Posts with more subtle violations are of course also moderated, but in some cases the nuance is SO subtle as to be open to interpretation, so we look at those on a case-by-case basis. If we aren't sure, we err on the side of the user and see if a pattern emerges over time.
 
You’re alright with Nazi sympathizers being on this forum, so by extension, you’re alright with white supremacists being on this forum. Unbelievable. I always knew this website wasn’t a place for me, which is why I was always careful when navigating this forum. This website can go **** itself.
 
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By the same token, saying you are Nazi sympathizer is not a violation, whereas posting hate speech or slurs (as distinct for insults in our rules) is not allowed and will be moderated.

Are private messages subject to keyword screening and proactive moderation? (meaning if a keyword would be auto-flagged in a private message it would be acted upon without a user reporting the message)
 
You're making an assumption about me that's incorrect: "You’re alright (sic) with Nazi sympathizers being on this forum, so by extension, you’re alright (sic) with white supremacists being on this forum."

There are lots of things I'm not all right with. There are types of people I personally distance myself from, because my own ideology is very, very different. I cannot however control where those various types of people are in society around me, including online.

On this site we moderate when users express themselves in ways we do not accept. What type of person they are is outside of what we control.

@Puonti no, private messages are never flagged. We can't see them unless a user reports them.
 
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