The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
They are not forced to do it and do so because they obviously enjoy doing it. If they get things wrong like they often do then of course their services will be under appreciated.
Macrumors and Racism
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S.B.G
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I7guy
macrumors Westmere
What's the benchmark for "if they get things wrong as they often do"?
S.B.G
Moderator emeritus
I get the feeling that @The-Real-Deal82 believes he can moderate this forum better than the team does.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
Possibly in some cases, I couldn’t say for certain. I used to be a moderator on a motorsport forum until 2011 but haven’t got the spare time anymore.
I probably shouldn’t have said ‘often’ as I have no idea about other instances of moderation. I can only comment based on my own experiences and in the last six months I have 2 examples but this isn’t the place to discuss that.
What do you think would be the ‘benchmark’? I have no idea.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
I'm not sure either. I don't know the stats for moderation and it would be great if the staff posts some current stats.
- number of post reports
- number of posts moderated
- number of posts not moderated
- number of MR members the submit post reports etc.
Some of these discussions in S&FF seem to put the spin on the worse of the worse of keeping the site up and running smoothly. Like this thread, that imo, has turned into a he said/she said type of debate.
S.B.G
Moderator emeritus
The most statistics that are publicly available are in these threads here:
2018 Post Report Statistics
A relevant factor is the number of reports in these forums relative to total activity. For the 38% of reports grouped into the "iOS & iOS Devices" category, this represents over 20 forums, many of which have extremely high levels of activity. So we'd expect a high number of reports in these...
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The staff do make other, more detailed statistics which are posted in the back room for staff only and will never be made public due to the privacy policies of the site. Though one can ask for stats on their own moderation and sent in reports so long as the information doesn't include stuff from other members.
Not sure how fair that really is TBH. I’ve been on the receiving end of more than a few missives from the top - and invariably they seem to come from @Weaselboy. Now if I were to use my personal anecdotal evidence I could argue that he has a personal vendetta against me Or that he issues more mod calls than anyone else.
The reality I know is far different.
That’s the problem with using personal evidence; it rarely, if ever, correlates to real life.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Thank you! I saw that post with those stats and wondering if the stats could be shared for 2020. High level numbers of course.The most statistics that are publicly available are in these threads here:
2018 Post Report Statistics
A relevant factor is the number of reports in these forums relative to total activity. For the 38% of reports grouped into the "iOS & iOS Devices" category, this represents over 20 forums, many of which have extremely high levels of activity. So we'd expect a high number of reports in these...
The staff do make other, more detailed statistics which are posted in the back room for staff only and will never be made public due to the privacy policies of the site. Though one can ask for stats on their own moderation and sent in reports so long as the information doesn't include stuff from other members.
S.B.G
Moderator emeritus
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
I’m aware moderation is done by the admins and moderators are effectively the middle men. I wouldn’t have anything against Weaselboy but I’m not the biggest fan of the team at the moment and probably won’t be for a very long time. I’m certainly not going to be first in the queue giving out pats on the back lol.
JayMysterio
macrumors 68000
I have absolutely nothing to add to this thread but an entertaining gif of my own feelings about this ever expanding subject.
BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
I still say this site is far far better than most of what is out there. Users who complain that this site isn't doing enough - I have to disagree. Have people seen Reddit (one example of many)? There's a reason why I deleted my Facebook account. And these are just popular examples... most forums I've experienced don't even care.
Humanity is not perfect, so even in the most moderated most reviewed site there will aways be some drivel that gets through. But to say Macrumors is all bad is to be extremely ignorant of reality. And it is very easy to think you can do better than those who have put in the time and effort to make this a better place - that takes 0 effort to say.
Can Macrumors improve? We wouldn't be human if we couldn't improve, always. Is Macrumors a racist and sexist site? ..... I don't see it, in fact, I've seen extreme proof of the exact opposite - staff dealing with every post I've reported even posts I don't.
I do see people using terms to label people who don't agree with them in efforts to get them silenced while they themselves define the isms they're trying to labels others with. Sadly, this is becoming all too common these days.
Humanity is not perfect, so even in the most moderated most reviewed site there will aways be some drivel that gets through. But to say Macrumors is all bad is to be extremely ignorant of reality. And it is very easy to think you can do better than those who have put in the time and effort to make this a better place - that takes 0 effort to say.
Can Macrumors improve? We wouldn't be human if we couldn't improve, always. Is Macrumors a racist and sexist site? ..... I don't see it, in fact, I've seen extreme proof of the exact opposite - staff dealing with every post I've reported even posts I don't.
I do see people using terms to label people who don't agree with them in efforts to get them silenced while they themselves define the isms they're trying to labels others with. Sadly, this is becoming all too common these days.
Wando64
macrumors 68020
Are you comparing like with like?
I mean this is meant to be an Apple technical support user forum; why are we here talking about Racism, Nazi, White supremacists, etc... ?
Not to us, but they apparently did supply them to the mods.
The OP has since left this particular mortal coil.
Apple_Robert
Contributor
Complacency has nothing to do with it.
If member A states she doesn’t agree with homosexuality, that doesn’t necessarily mean member A hates any person who is a homosexual. Member A did not state she hated homosexuals in her hypothetical post. If that had occurred, that kind of post should be reported. And I believe (as a non moderator) said post would fall under the rules of hate speech and be adjudicated accordingly and forthwith.
The same scenario pertains to racists or any other person or group posting hate speech on this forum.
The forum does not allow hate speech and racism of any kind and rightfully so. If such occurred, I would not be here nor would most others, in my opinion. That kind of evil has no place in rational society, in my opinion.
The world is an ugly place at times. There are people all around us every day who believe things we find abhorrent that we may or may not even know about until asked specifically.
I can’t control what other people think and do in their personal lives. I have no business trying to control such nor do I want to attempt to do so. At the same time, I realize that I am not going to agree with everything another family member, friend, co-worker, or stranger may say or do at times. And when those instances occur, I have to decide if the disagreement is a matter of preference or a matter of life conviction. If it is the former, I smile and say but for the grace of God, there I go with foibles and imperfections of my own. If it is the latter, I then need to make a determination as to what degree I should distance or remove myself from said person(s).
If the matter of disagreement is more so a matter of preference, I am more apt to engage the lady or gentleman in conversation, provided the other person is amiable and respectful to me. If there ends up being no agreement on either part, I may still engage said person on the forum or in real life, should the opportunity arise in the future.
If the matter of disagreement based on a fundamental conviction I have, I may still engage the person, provided their is the ability for respectful open dialogue. If after the discussion I still feel the same way about matter X, I will either stop talking about matter X entirely with said person, or I will stop interacting with said person all together.
John Donne once said, “No man is an island unto himself.” In my opinion, John was right. Like it or not, we are individually part of the human race, even in times when we may feel the most anger, dismay, or disillusionment.
What you, I, and everyone else here needs to do, is be constantly vigilant against giving into the easy mentality of constructing logical fallacies about other people, even if we may not have intended to, much less meant harm from such illogical thinking.
From a personal world perspective, I can understand your viewpoint and dismay. We often have different rules of engagement and action in our personal life dealings, where we have more direct control of who we allow in our life. However, this forum is not our personal world, even though many of us long time members may think of it as such, as we get to know others on the forum through many replies over the years.
Seeking to banish anyone we disagree with about matter X is a recipe for banishment of ourselves from anywhere, much less a recipe for the kinds of mentality and action that leads to a myopic, intellectually closed society and one that becomes the very antithesis of humanity.
You and I don’t have control over who can come in the doors of this forum house, much less what any person should or shouldn’t believe. What we do have control over is our own belief and action to persons here we may find obnoxious and or offensive at times. When the latter happens, I report the offense to the moderators. If it is the forum, I remind myself that I am no picnic to be around at times and I just need to get over myself.
One size fits all mentality regardless of topic does a disservice to everyone, thus limiting the very essence of who we all are as individuals, regardless of any label we have attached to ourselves or had cast upon us.
Reconsider your abrupt exit.
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BigMcGuire
macrumors G4
I agree. I only participated in the PRSI part of Macrumors a few times and every time I did it was pretty unenjoyable - I did read it for years and a lot of the members who participate are good people even if I don't agree with them.
My blood pressure is high enough. Thanks to Arn adding an ignore feature to Macrumors, I can ignore that part of Macrumors very well now and not get drawn into disagreements. I don't know how people enjoy that stuff.
Macrumors leadership has decided to keep PRSI. I don't like it, but I'm just a lowly user. Even my coworkers like to bring up politics on company lunches, events. Some people love this stuff. I'm not one.
We're talking about this because several people are accusing Macrumors of overly supporting racism/sexism/nazi'ism. etc. I'm in disagreement with them, in fact, in relation to the OP, I was involved on the thread where they were trying to accuse people they didn't agree with of being racist to get them banned.
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Very well written.
TonyC28
macrumors 68030
As someone permanently banned from PRSI for some pretty lame and flimsy infractions, I find it very hard to believe the mods are giving out passes for racist posts.
We each see with our own eyes. If we see with anger in our eyes, we see anger in people’s words. This has been evidenced by some of the more, shall we say “disgruntled” posters in this thread.
Plutonius
macrumors G3
I always thought that the PRSI bans only lasted up to a year ?
It's unfortunate when anyone gets banned from PRSI and I hope you remain active in the other forums.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
Join the club and flimsy is a great definition lol. The positive is I’ve started visiting another forum that I hadn’t posted on since 2017. I spend a bit less time here which has got to be better for my state of mind lol.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Many online forums have an off-topic forum in which to post anything not related to the sites’ primary purpose.
Some are not as regulated as macrumors.
Macrumors also has more than one off-topic forums...eg Community discussion and PRSI. PRSI gets some of its deserved bad rap for the sniping and on the on-the-borderline posts.
But that behavior is no different than other online forums; just that on macrumors the code for online behavior is very well defined.
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TonyC28
macrumors 68030
The first “ban” is for a year, after that it’s forever. Before too long everyone will be banned from PRSI and it won’t exist anymore which may satisfy some of the posters on this thread.
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