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True, but as you say most people read the first few pages and stop reading. If what people read are the first few pages, why wouldn't you want a filtering system to determine highly rated posts.

How do you KNOW they are "highly rated" when you have NO IDEA if they are ALSO highly hated or down rated or whatever? My point is that you could have a controversial issue where 100 people "like" a post and 5000 dislike it. But with this system, you'll NEVER SEE the dislikes and THAT is why it's a TERRIBLE SYSTEM. It distorts the truth by not representing both sides of the issue.

Posts that are disliked, do not get upvoted. This naturally filters out the bad posts (the reason why you don't need a Dislike button in the first place).

No, it doesn't because a bad post as indicated above would have down votes that could EASILY OUTNUMBER the up votes by 100x even. How can you possibly get an accurate idea of the "quality" of a post by a system that ignores 50% of the voting issue?

And NO, a non-vote is NOT even REMOTELY the same as a "down" vote. I don't up-vote every post I think is "good". I only up-vote ones I strongly AGREE WITH (not the same thing even remotely as a "good post" as it's not based on how well written the post is, but whether I want to endorse a VIEWPOINT. Even then, I don't BOTHER do vote for 99.9% of the posts as it's too much work to vote on a 5000 post thread and THAT is why I'm saying a few initial votes appear at the start and then they disappear as time goes on. Yes, some people only read to page 3 or whatever, but clearly a 200 page thread has a lot of people still reading and posting to it. But you won't see more than 1-3 votes on such threads for the most part. This is CONSISTENT over time. And that comes back to the "don't want to bother" aspect once again.

When we had up and down votes there was still a problem and that was it only showed the total sum of the posts (i.e. 2000 down votes and 2001 up votes would show up as "1 up vote") and that didn't say a lot either. What it needed to do and what it should do is show the total up and total down votes separately and that would tell people how many people liked and disliked the post enough to bother to vote. No votes doesn't indicate a bad post. It indicates a lack of strong agreement or disagreement. But even if I disagree with a post, that doesn't mean it's bad grammar or poorly written. Most people "like" posts they agree with. Such posts could be one sentence. Your assumption it's a "quality post" is simply not supportable from what I've seen. People agree with the first couple of posts that represent their position on a given issue/review/model/whatever and then ignore the rest except where exceptional points are made and even then it wanes over time.

What one should look at is why the "down" votes were removed in the first place despite polling indicating that a majority either wanted the downs to stay or didn't mind them either way. A small extremely vocal minority threatened to remove their voluntary monetary funding of the site unless the down vote was removed (probably because most of their posts were getting down voted all the time). I personally despise political correctness and baseball games where the score isn't kept so everyone can "feel good". It's a load of horse manure as it doesn't represent reality and on a larger scale it doesn't prepare young adults to deal with that real world (where terrorists don't care if you feel bad when they light you on fire in a cage).

A post that's been upvoted many times is liked. Whether it be useful or simply funny, it was enjoyed. I firmly believe that's important.

Like I said, it's only liked by those that up-voted it (and bothered to do it). How many disliked it? If the original poll to get rid of the system had only showed votes to get rid of it then we would have seen what appeared to be 100% of the voters opting to get rid of it and hundreds of them at that. But does it matter that 50% more voted to keep it in reality? Do you see what I mean by a total distortion? Your assumption it represents "liked" posts is simply wrong. 10 likes and 1000 dislikes is NOT a liked post. Wipe out the 1000 dislikes and you get the appearance of overall people liking it where that is simply not the case or you can assume with 200k people on this forum that only 10 out of 200k "liked" it but that would be a completely inaccurate assumption also as nowhere near that amount will read that thread and most people won't participate either way (either not caring or not bothering and thus the only likes you get are from a tiny minority that enjoys "liking" posts).

I'd prefer no "like" system over a terrible system and this is a terrible system, IMO and now your name is attached to it as well. Imagine if anyone could look up how you voted on an issue during an election. Your neighbor might suddenly hate you when he finds out you voted for/against gun control or abortion or whatever when it's none of his business. Thus, I find the system more flawed than ever as it adds that aspect to the above mess as well.
 
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Try hovering, the links are not well colored at the moment.

Ok, that works (don't remember seeing them show up like that the first time and I'm pretty sure I tried hovering then, but I didn't tonight until now). But yeah, it would help if they were colored or underlined or something like in the drop down box.

Is it even possible to make the actual posting area light grey like in the old layout (it was white on the main page, but posts were light grey in the message boxes and darker in the quoted boxes). It's odd when I compared them that the light grey isn't exactly night and day darker than the white, but somehow overall even a slight reduction to a light grey on the message posts makes it a LOT easier on the eyes. I'd probably prefer the whole background to be light grey than white if there's no way to differentiate and gauging by the complaints on here, I'd wager I'm not alone in that opinion. It's a bit like staring into the sun when most of the page is white like on this full editor reply page.
 
Everything is too big. I can only see two posts per screen on my MacBook Air screen. What size are these fonts?

How about a skin for people who aren't blind?

that is the major issue i have as well.
by comparison to a word processor, it is 16-18 font.
i think 12 would be fine

i manually zoom out the browser to ~50/60%, but it is a pain and an unnecessary one.
especially because then some things become very small.
 
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Any plans to simplify the email notifications? I am seeing full picture attachments and posts.
 
Is there a setting to bring the info under the avatars back? I found it convenient.

Also, is it just me, or do the circles look even uglier with the info gone? The squares seem to look nicer, so I'm not complaining there.
I am enjoying the slightly darker motif today, thanks guys! However, I too am missing the info under the avatars. Would very much like to have it back! :)
 
Those complaining about the "blinding white" background: calibrate your monitors! It looks perfect on my properly calibrated screens and I have slightly light-sensitive eyes.
 
This is awful to use on a Macbook Air. I'm lucky if I can see one post without scrolling. It uses space terribly. Everything is spaced out four times more than it should be.

It's also spectacularly heavy for no good reason - my Air is slowing to a crawl and scrolling at about 15 fps while running no other tabs or applications. Please consider reverting, because this is horrible.
 
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Those complaining about the "blinding white" background: calibrate your monitors! It looks perfect on my properly calibrated screens and I have slightly light-sensitive eyes.

Mine is calibrated and has been long before this change and the awful Yosemite. And it's still way too much blinding white.

I'd still like to have the daily email notifications back as well and totally agree on how slow everything is to load now.
 
Those complaining about the "blinding white" background: calibrate your monitors! It looks perfect on my properly calibrated screens and I have slightly light-sensitive eyes.

The complaints have absolutely nothing to do with calibration (every monitor I have is among the best consumer-grade model available, FWIW). It's that all the white space and identical fonts make it difficult to near impossible to visually separate bits of information. In the New Posts list, for example, the sub-forum that the thread originates from is basically the same font, color, and weight as the original posters username, and the time of the original post. Not all of that information is of the same value, let alone related, so why are they all grouped together with no differentiation?

Once in the threads, the background is bright white with excessive padding, leading to most threads being a screen of blank white. White is a good background for text when the information density is there to support it (books, newspaper sites, etc) but in this case there is so much empty space that we are often confronted with a screen that is 90% or so blank bright white, where one post blends into the next. How about at least making every other post a slightly different shade as the New Posts list does?
 
The bookmarks favicon in Safari is the xenForo logotype instead of the MacRumors logo.

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Personally I don't like it, but whether you like the look of the new design or not is very subjective. However, it's objectively worse from a functional point of view: there are far less threads and posts visible per screen than there were, which massively increases the amount of scrolling around. This seems particularly bad on iOS, but it's pretty poor on desktop Safari too. Also (and this is more subjective I admit) for me it's harder to find the forum you want on the index page. Is there really no way to have a new look and feel but without the masses of unnecessary white space and the (for me) horrible forum index layout?
 
Personally I don't like it, but whether you like the look of the new design or not is very subjective. However, it's objectively worse from a functional point of view: there are far less threads and posts visible per screen than there were, which massively increases the amount of scrolling around. This seems particularly bad on iOS, but it's pretty poor on desktop Safari too. Also (and this is more subjective I admit) for me it's harder to find the forum you want on the index page. Is there really no way to have a new look and feel but without the masses of unnecessary white space and the (for me) horrible forum index layout?

I don't find it harder to use but I don't think it's pretty.
 
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How do you KNOW they are "highly rated" when you have NO IDEA if they are ALSO highly hated or down rated or whatever? My point is that you could have a controversial issue where 100 people "like" a post and 5000 dislike it. But with this system, you'll NEVER SEE the dislikes and THAT is why it's a TERRIBLE SYSTEM. It distorts the truth by not representing both sides of the issue.



No, it doesn't because a bad post as indicated above would have down votes that could EASILY OUTNUMBER the up votes by 100x even. How can you possibly get an accurate idea of the "quality" of a post by a system that ignores 50% of the voting issue?

And NO, a non-vote is NOT even REMOTELY the same as a "down" vote. I don't up-vote every post I think is "good". I only up-vote ones I strongly AGREE WITH (not the same thing even remotely as a "good post" as it's not based on how well written the post is, but whether I want to endorse a VIEWPOINT. Even then, I don't BOTHER do vote for 99.9% of the posts as it's too much work to vote on a 5000 post thread and THAT is why I'm saying a few initial votes appear at the start and then they disappear as time goes on. Yes, some people only read to page 3 or whatever, but clearly a 200 page thread has a lot of people still reading and posting to it. But you won't see more than 1-3 votes on such threads for the most part. This is CONSISTENT over time. And that comes back to the "don't want to bother" aspect once again.

When we had up and down votes there was still a problem and that was it only showed the total sum of the posts (i.e. 2000 down votes and 2001 up votes would show up as "1 up vote") and that didn't say a lot either. What it needed to do and what it should do is show the total up and total down votes separately and that would tell people how many people liked and disliked the post enough to bother to vote. No votes doesn't indicate a bad post. It indicates a lack of strong agreement or disagreement. But even if I disagree with a post, that doesn't mean it's bad grammar or poorly written. Most people "like" posts they agree with. Such posts could be one sentence. Your assumption it's a "quality post" is simply not supportable from what I've seen. People agree with the first couple of posts that represent their position on a given issue/review/model/whatever and then ignore the rest except where exceptional points are made and even then it wanes over time.

What one should look at is why the "down" votes were removed in the first place despite polling indicating that a majority either wanted the downs to stay or didn't mind them either way. A small extremely vocal minority threatened to remove their voluntary monetary funding of the site unless the down vote was removed (probably because most of their posts were getting down voted all the time). I personally despise political correctness and baseball games where the score isn't kept so everyone can "feel good". It's a load of horse manure as it doesn't represent reality and on a larger scale it doesn't prepare young adults to deal with that real world (where terrorists don't care if you feel bad when they light you on fire in a cage).



Like I said, it's only liked by those that up-voted it (and bothered to do it). How many disliked it? If the original poll to get rid of the system had only showed votes to get rid of it then we would have seen what appeared to be 100% of the voters opting to get rid of it and hundreds of them at that. But does it matter that 50% more voted to keep it in reality? Do you see what I mean by a total distortion? Your assumption it represents "liked" posts is simply wrong. 10 likes and 1000 dislikes is NOT a liked post. Wipe out the 1000 dislikes and you get the appearance of overall people liking it where that is simply not the case or you can assume with 200k people on this forum that only 10 out of 200k "liked" it but that would be a completely inaccurate assumption also as nowhere near that amount will read that thread and most people won't participate either way (either not caring or not bothering and thus the only likes you get are from a tiny minority that enjoys "liking" posts).

I'd prefer no "like" system over a terrible system and this is a terrible system, IMO and now your name is attached to it as well. Imagine if anyone could look up how you voted on an issue during an election. Your neighbor might suddenly hate you when he finds out you voted for/against gun control or abortion or whatever when it's none of his business. Thus, I find the system more flawed than ever as it adds that aspect to the above mess as well.


Your post is a good example of why a dislike button would be a bad idea.

I like there only being Likes because it keeps things simpler, but particularly because it makes MR a pleasant place. If you had dislikes, it would make every thread feel hostile and stir discord. Better for people to express themselves in word if they wish to be negative.

A dislike vote is like a boot stamping on a human face forever.
 
I'm unsure as to whether the white space throughout much of the forum is intentional, and part of the design, or if something else is supposed to fill those gaps, such as advertisement banners.

Two examples of this are, (1) the space in the header, above the MacRumors logo, and (2) the space below and above the language chooser.
 
Good work everybody. I realise all the handwork that goes on behind the scenes, just so a crusty old dinosaur like me can moan to himself about how he doesn't like change!
I'll get used to it.
One issue I have noticed. When reading a sub forum say Digital Photography, when I've finished reading a thread and want to go to another one in the same sub forum, I have to scroll all the way to the top to see the thread list.
Before you could also see the sub forum at the bottom of the page. Anyway to get that back?

You don't need to scroll, just tap the up arrow at the side.
 
I'm glad you didn't throw away the old accounts and make us register new. I've been a member here a LONG, LONG time and would not have appreciated that.
 
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With or without an avatar, there is so much empty vertical space - seems a bit too much.
Especially as on a desktop the horizontal width doesn't expand beyond a certain point, then you just get white columns on either side.
 

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