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Ah yes, wireless charging. One of life's necessities. With Joe in the house, you guys are soon going to have to deal with real issues like a "Wave 3" martial lockdown and mandatory vaccinations.
 
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Yeah because this thread is all about how much I dislike the iPhone 12 :rolleyes:. Your statement is akin to saying "You don't like Apple's leather case so when are you taking your iPhone back?"

I don't have to use MagSafe, and I don't have to like it. I was simply starting a thread sharing my opinion on it. It has zero to do with my like or dislike for the iPhone 12, which I think is a fantastic iPhone.

Return. The. 12.

You are very unhappy. You must punish Apple and be a man of principle. Post the receipt when it’s done.
 
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The main reason I didn’t upgrade to the iPhone 12 Pro Max is because I saw the expensive cost of being sucked into yet another black hole of consumerism - their brand new, vast MagSafe ecosystem of accessories. Bullet dodged - during a pandemic, no less.
 
I tried to love it, but after thorough testing and getting 2 MagSafe’s swapped out with apple I finally returned the whole thing.

I bought magsafe thinking it could replace my Qi Chargers, truth be told there’s a lot of misinformation regarding Magsafe.

First off Fast Charging as usual on Magsafe is stated on Apple’s Website to only work when your phone battery is between 0-50% which they guarantee your phone to charge in less than 30 minutes. Then it will drop to 7.5 watts until 80% at which point it will stay consistent 3-4 watts max until 100%.

The whole purpose is for consumers who charge their phones overnight. After resetting the iphone, reset the network settings, basically factory resetting the iphone 12 pro all together and being told that the magnets needed to adjust the heat and wattage after an extended period, even if I left the magsafe overnight, the iphone was never fully charged.

The fast charging worked for a couple of days but after that it never even reached upto 7.5 Watts. At that point I exchanged mine thinking I had a defective unit with Apple and to be honest got 23 watts the first charge then it was slow. Super Slow. I gave it a week of usage with the same results I mentioned as above and was still slow charging the iphone 12 pro, using the 20w adapter and magsafe. I just finally returned it before my return window closed and decided to just stick to wired Charging, since I, as a consumer like I stated before, bought magsafe as a means to replace my other Qi charger of course I got rid of that one.

Magsafe 1.0 sucks, it’s not consistent, I could show you all my benchmark results regarding the iphone 12 pro and it’s results from the magsafe charger but ultimately ended up sending my iphone 12 pro back to Apple for repair with Camera issues.

Something’s up, now I see chatter of the iphone 12 models completely heating up and getting the temperature prompt when just overusing the phone via FaceTime, recording videos or using Magsafe.

Heck I went on a trip to disney world last weekend and while I was recording my phone gave me temperature promp it was too hot and needed to cool down (which lost my content I was recording) and also crashed to the Home Screen, so i’m a loss just thinking what went wrong. I have been using Apple iphone products for the past decade and this release has been full of software/hardware plagues with zero word from apple but a ton of complaints with similar issues on their community board(magsafe, overheating).


Which is why the whole portless thing scares me further, if magsafe is that slow and controlling(something an apple rep told me, this is before battery optimization being on/off) I simply won’t want it.

The whole premise of this hardware was convenience, but despite promising fast charging it only does for a specific amount of time at which point the people that like to charge their phones frequently end up miserably waiting for it to charge, the only reason I mentioned this was because yes, going a trip is an extreme case of phone usage since theme parks depend on technology to do anything from, ordering food, table reservations, checking the status around the park, I found myself frequently noticing how fast the battery went from 80-25% in 30 minutes, and taking forever to charge the phone back to optimal usage without worrying about dying on a ride or something.

Anyways an apple rep officially told me at first that the magnets weren’t transfering the right amount of watts to the phone and give it sometime to adjust... but it didn’t work with the second unit, so Idk, the whole thing left a bitter aftertaste in my mouth, will Magsafe 2.0 work better? Maybe.
 
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I'm sorry, I've tried to love this product, and then I even tried to just like it, but its just absolutely terrible. Apple has effectively ruined wireless charging in their new devices all in the name of keeping things proprietary for them to keep the cash rolling in. Its is such a poorly done product that makes absolutely zero sense outside of Apple screwing over both the consumer, and manufacturers of Qi charging products.

I watched an interesting video on YouTube (SnazzyLabs) who theorized that Apple made MagSafe because they refuse to comply with the EU's new law that states that all manufacturers must now use the same chargers (USB-C). Apple will be forced after this year to make all of their phones with a standard USB-C charging cable. Well that would be a huge loss of income for Apple due to the fact that the lightning cable and 3rd party MFI (Made for iPhone) lightning cables is a billion dollar industry. Apple makes $4 for every single lightning cable sold in the world with the MFI logo on them. That is a massive amount of money lost if they had to comply to this new law in Europe. So to get around this law, they are going to make a portless phone that only charges with Magsafe next year. 3rd party Manufacturers will have to comply to Apple's standards and have the MFI logo put on any MagSafe alternatives to wirelessly charging, which keeps the cash in Apple's hands. I realize this is a business but they are forcing manufacturers to comply to a new standard of wireless charging while also making us as the consumer buy new wireless chargers if we want to get the full benefit out of them.

The other reason I hate Magsafe is that its crippled all of my other wireless chargers. Apple purposely made its new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage on standard Qi charging pads. This is obviously done to push people to use MagSafe, or to buy the new wireless chargers that will have the (MFI) logo on them that comply to Apple's new wireless charging standards. My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.

Outside of those reasons above, I don't like it becuase its the same as using a cable, it heats up your phone way to much, the cord is too short, the cord gets in the way if not pointed directly down, it damages Apple's expensive leather case, and to me its a completely pointless accessory that Apple is shoving on us because they refuse to make a standard USB-C charging cable for their phones.

I'm sorry for the rant but I had to get that out.
Now imagine for a moment if government didn't tell businesses how to run their business. Was it really so bad to just let Apple keep going with the lightning cable? What a weird concept capitalism is. I think your anger is misplaced.
 
Now imagine for a moment if government didn't tell businesses how to run their business. Was it really so bad to just let Apple keep going with the lightning cable? What a weird concept capitalism is. I think your anger is misplaced.

You can blame the Govt. for pushing to a universal charging cable if you want. It doesn't excuse Apple from releasing a crappy product. My anger towards MagSafe is directed where it should be, at Apple.
 
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I get that you don't like Magsafe, it ain't for everybody, but I think you have made some factual errors here.

  • You say "Apple purposely made new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage standard QI charging pads.":
    This is not true in my experience. I've measured my cheap YooTech chargers with a USB-C wattage tester, and I'm getting the exact same results with my wife's old iPhone XS (7.5w) as I am with her new phone (7.5w). You could argue that 7.5w max is a slow charging rate for sure, but it isn't anything new. As has been reported here, some QI chargers don't like the new Magsafe ring my guess is there are two things going on:
    • I think different dimensions could be a contributing factor to some problems. Different coil alignment. Your Pro Max for example may be too high, or the mini too short to align properly with the coils on an easel style charger?
    • I suspect foreign object detection may be causing issues as well. Some pads have more aggressive foreign object detection than others. On my old iPhone XS Max, I had problems with a Pitaka mag-case for the same reason. My Pixel 4XL with a metal plate mounted under the coils also cause issues on some chargers, but not all. Every single QI charger I have in my house from years of playing with android work just fine with my iPhone 12. Hell, even the crappy "gift" one United Airlines sent me that refused to charge my Pixel 4XL works fine!
  • You say "My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.":
    I'd agree. Quick-charging simply isn't a strength of standard QI chargers. Arguably if Apple would support the standard 15w QI charging protocol it would be a bit better. Fundamentally though, wireless charging is lossy and generates heat. Yes, some phone manufacturers now use proprietary methods for attaining higher wireless charging, but these also come with lots of heat and often the need for a cooling fan in the charger. If you need a quick top-off, a cable will always be better.
  • You say "to me its a completely pointless accessory that apple is shoving on us.":
    Accessories are by definition optional. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It isn't "shoved" on anyone. Furthermore, I happen to think the simple addition of a ring of magnets improves wireless charging. Most notably, it is the first phone I've had since the Nexus 5, where magnets help to align to the optimal charging location every single time. Alignment has always been the most annoying thing about wireless charging. Furthermore, I love the fact that now magnetic car mounts will be standardized... we can finally do away with sticking metal plates on our cases, or figuring out exactly where to mount a magnetic metal ring on the back of the phone etc.
Yeah this post is more consistent to facts than that the OP wrote. Thanks!
 
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When Magsafe wireless chargers and cases come out. We will change our mind and love them.
I already love my MagSafe and am not too concerned with charging speed. I’ve put a metal plate on the back of one, and it is a strong hold for my magnetic dash mount. There’s no wobble and my phone didn’t fall off when I hit a few potholes and train tracks.
 
I already love my MagSafe and am not too concerned with charging speed. I’ve put a metal plate on the back of one, and it is a strong hold for my magnetic dash mount. There’s no wobble and my phone didn’t fall off when I hit a few potholes and train tracks.
The complaint is how it works with other chargers and I agree with the original posting that it is hit and miss. Two of my wireless chargers don’t work with it and I don’t want to spend money on a MagSafe.
 
At first I agreed that MagSafe was a gimmick but honestly after using it I enjoy it. I’m not saying it’s game changing or breakthrough tech but I love being able to just get my phone in the right spot on my night stand and it takes care of the rest. And if I need my phone for something it stays plugged in. It allows me to wirelessly charge but still use it. I know it’s stupid and admit that. But it just works and I appreciate that. I’ve spent 40 bucks on worse things.
 
I have 3 MagSafe things with my iPhone. A MagSafe compatible case, the wallet and (of course) the charger.

The case being necessary to use MagSafe is annoying but understandable, it is a nice case (clear) and I am sure with time we will see more MagSafe compatible cases.

The wallet, sure it is a bit of a gimmick, but I now leave my normal wallet at home, just grab my phone and between the cards in the wallet, and Apple Pay I have everything I need for my day with me. Could I live without it? Sure, but it is useful.

The charger is brilliant. I cannot remember how many times I would wake up to a nearly dead battery on my phone after knocking it off the charger in the middle of the night or answering a call when on-call and not getting it on the charger properly. With MagSafe it just goes on and I know it is on.

Is it "revolutionary", no, but it is nice to have, and far from the worst thing Apple has ever invented.
 
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The complaint is how it works with other chargers and I agree with the original posting that it is hit and miss. Two of my wireless chargers don’t work with it and I don’t want to spend money on a MagSafe.
I agree that my other Qi chargers are flakey with my 12 PM, actually more than flakey, which is why I bought the MagSafe. Both of my Qi chargers are single coil and never fast charged, I believe that Qi only offers up to 7.5w charging with iPhones. With the new height of the 12 PM, I suspect it’s more that the Qi coils aren’t aligned completely with my new phone. I can’t fault anyone for that as I made the choice to buy the larger phone. However, I do recognize that there are two coil Qi chargers out there that will probably work better, but liked the idea of the automatic alignment that MagSafe offered and the convenience of using the charger on the go with a portable battery pack.
 
I agree that my other Qi chargers are flakey with my 12 PM, actually more than flakey, which is why I bought the MagSafe. Both of my Qi chargers are single coil and never fast charged, I believe that Qi only offers up to 7.5w charging with iPhones. With the new height of the 12 PM, I suspect it’s more that the Qi coils aren’t aligned completely with my new phone. I can’t fault anyone for that as I made the choice to buy the larger phone. However, I do recognize that there are two coil Qi chargers out there that will probably work better, but liked the idea of the automatic alignment that MagSafe offered and the convenience of using the charger on the go with a portable battery pack.

I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the 12 Pro Max. I have a Mophie adjustable wireless charger that you can slide to use as both a vertical iPhone charger or fold it flat with and use it by laying the phone on top of it. When I place the phone on the charger, it doesn't matter if the charger is vertical or flat. The phone will start to charge for a few seconds and then the light on charger starts to blink and the phone stops charging. Its not the size of the phone causing this as I can lay it flat on top of the charger and no matter where I place it, it only charges for a few seconds before it stops.

This is 100% due to MagSafe causing it to not work.
 
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The lack of official MagSafe 3rd party accessories is quite baffling. I don't know why more companies couldn't have worked with Apple to have them ready by now. For example I know of no dash mount with MagSafe.

Even the most rushed production timeline including design, approval, tooling, and materials gathering takes 6 months and that's if it all goes smoothly.

Let's see, 6 months ago, hmm, that would have been April. I wonder what was going on the world back in April that might have caused a delay to some magnetic accessories here in November.....these things are produced in China.....give me a minute, I'm sure I'll come up with something.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with the size of the 12 Pro Max. I have a Mophie adjustable wireless charger that you can slide to use as both a vertical iPhone charger or fold it flat with and use it by laying the phone on top of it. When I place the phone on the charger, it doesn't matter if the charger is vertical or flat. The phone will start to charge for a few seconds and then the light on charger starts to blink and the phone stops charging. Its not the size of the phone causing this as I can lay it flat on top of the charger and no matter where I place it, it only charges for a few seconds before it stops.

This is 100% due to MagSafe causing it to not work.
Ok, I understand now. My Qi chargers are upright which way why I thought that it wasn’t aligning properly. I have a wireless Qi that I placed my phone on, and it works without shutting off after 20 minutes charging. It’s definitely frustrating then that Qi charging is such a hit or miss now with the iPhone 12 PMs.
 
Ok, I understand now. My Qi chargers are upright which way why I thought that it wasn’t aligning properly. I have a wireless Qi that I placed my phone on, and it works without shutting off after 20 minutes charging. It’s definitely frustrating then that Qi charging is such a hit or miss now with the iPhone 12 PMs.

Just an fyi - my vertical stands are two coil and work fine with my 12PM.
That said, I am keeping my fingers crossed. 🤞
 
Can you let me know which ones you use? I'm in need of a compatible one.

Anker Wireless Powerwave. I have an original and a Powerwave II.
Amazon carries both.
I bought the PW for my X and got the PW2 later. Worked great for my 11PM and working just fine for my current 12PM.

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Here is the coil layout in this WC:
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