MagSafe is the worst thing Apple has made maybe ever

[ukms]

Hey so I have a question...if the future of iPhones is port less only what are people (or car companies) that use CarPlay going to do? For example my wife’s current car 2020 Subaru has CarPlay installed that you plug in your phone via a usb to lightning...I see lots of people who update their phones on a yearly basis but I have no intentions of getting rid of a new car because it doesn’t conform with the new port free phones. I get transportation is not meant to be an apple device but it is a nice feature.

Plenty of third party CarPlay adaptors around .... probably more if that happens ..... and it’s debatable when and if it might happen.

 

[boltjames]

You are correct that it is my fault that even though Apple never mentioned this, I should have known this anyway. Before ordering the iPhone 12 I should have thrown out my Mophie chargers I purchased less than a year ago from the Apple store because I should have known they wouldn't work anymore because of "reasons."

Thank you again for letting me know of my mistakes.

What’s your fault:

1. You can return your iPhone 12 at any time and you aren’t. Ooh, Apple didn’t publish a list of chargers it doesn’t play nice with. Bad Apple. But you found that out 10 minutes after getting your iPhone and you still kept it. Bad Longwayhome.

2. You can afford a $1,200 iPhone and you are complaining about replacing years-old chargers with a street value of $15.

3. You don’t stand behind your own self-proclaimed convictions; anyone this outraged would have just returned the iPhone 12 and bought something else, is not like there aren’t thousands of other phones to choose from.

 

[LongWayHome]

What’s your fault:

1. You can return your iPhone 12 at any time and you aren’t. Ooh, Apple didn’t publish a list of chargers it doesn’t play nice with. Bad Apple. But you found that out 10 minutes after getting your iPhone and you still kept it. Bad Longwayhome.

2. You can afford a $1,200 iPhone and you are complaining about replacing years-old chargers with a street value of $15.

3. You don’t stand behind your own self-proclaimed convictions; anyone this outraged would have just returned the iPhone 12 and bought something else, is not like there aren’t thousands of other phones to choose from.

Sigh....Again,

1. I like the iPhone 12 Pro Max. Never said I didn't. I don't like MagSafe because I think it sucks. Sorry that hurts your feelings but in my opinion its a terrible implementation of "wireless" charging. Bad boltjames for trying to make this about anything other than MagSafe.

2. I never complained about replacing my chargers. I complained about them not working anymore when they were expensive at the time of purchase less than a year ago. I even asked another member in here which one he was using so that I could purchase it. Bad boltjames for continuing to spread false information.

3. I returned my MagSafe charger so you'll be proud to know that I am standing behind my convictions. It terrible so I returned it. If I started a thread that read "The iPhone 12 Pro Max Sucks" but wasn't returning it then this argument might make sense. Bad boltjames for continuing to make this about anything other than MagSafe.

MagSafe is an accessory to the iPhone and isn't dependent on one liking it or not. I don't have to use MagSafe and won't, because it sucks. I also don't like the Apple attachable wallet. Does that mean I should return my iPhone? One isn't dependent on another. If you bought a car but didn't like a set of additional floor mats you purchased for it are you going to try and take your car back? That's literally what you are saying here.

With all of that being said I look forward to your response of "Return the iPhone 12." And to that I will again respond with 🤣 🤣 🤣 because its funny.

 

[indiansfanzz]

Just my 2 cents worth in I understand both sides here. Early on when wireless charging first came to be, there was a battle between QI & powermat who had their own proprietary system & we chose powermat at the time because they were going nationwide with a network in places like Starbucks, McDonald’s, etc. so we invested heavily in cases with batteries & wireless charging mats for home, travel, etc... Well unfortunately that was shorter lived than we’d like & we ended up with hundreds of dollars in a system we were no longer going to use which sucks. But I also understood that technology changes with the times way more quickly than we’d like. I now no longer sweat having spent money on tech that is now being surpassed as it does me no good. I just go get the newest stuff & hope it stays around as long as possible. Cheers & I love my new 12 Pro Max & MagSafe charger.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Sigh....Again,

1. I like the iPhone 12 Pro Max. Never said I didn't. I don't like MagSafe because I think it sucks. Sorry that hurts your feelings but in my opinion its a terrible implementation of "wireless" charging. Bad boltjames for trying to make this about anything other than MagSafe.

2. I never complained about replacing my chargers. I complained about them not working anymore when they were expensive at the time of purchase less than a year ago. I even asked another member in here where which one he was using so that I could purchase it. Bad boltjames for continuing to spread false information.

3. I returned my MagSafe charger so you'll be proud to know that I am standing behind my convictions. It terrible so I returned it. If I started a thread that read "The iPhone 12 Pro Max Sucks" but wasn't returning it then this argument might make sense. Bad boltjames for continuing to make this about anything other than MagSafe.

MagSafe is an accessory to the iPhone and isn't dependent on one liking it or not. I don't have to use MagSafe and won't, because it sucks. I also don't like the Apple attachable wallet. Does that mean I should return my iPhone? One isn't dependent on another. If you bought a car but didn't like a set of additional floor mats you purchased for it are you going to try and take your car back? That's literally what you are saying here.

With all of that being said I look forward to your response of "Return the iPhone 12." And to that I will again respond with because its funny.

I wouldn’t bother responding. Back in 2017 he’s was here bragging he had an iPhone X and suggested it made him attractive to girls along with his 3 Series BMW due to the status it gives. Apparently he is a multi millionaire with a Miami Beach house too and he reckons Apple will never make a phone bigger than the iPhone X because it’s the perfect size and big phones are for poor gamer teenagers which isn’t Apples target market. Look how that last claim worked out lol.

 

[specious]

This wasn't a binary decision. There are a few things going on here.
- The MiFI program generates revenue, Qi does not
- Solves some of the technical issues with evolving Qi standards over time and puts control in Apple's hands
- Portless is the future direction for multiple reasons, EU being one of them
- Magsafe can be evolved to allow data transit without relying on third parties (~2-3 years for roll out with the sans port launch)
- Creates ecosystem of accessories to generate additional revenue, like swappable battery backs that mitigate smaller batteries (coming soon) with a cohesive user experience (no metal plates, no special cases with weird clips or slots, etc)

Is MagSafe perfect? No. Will it be better next year and reverse compatible? Yes.

This generate revenue on multiple fronts, gives Apple more control over how fast their devices charge (letting them push it higher) and will ultimately improve the overall user experience. Some of us tech geeks might be irritated, but your average consumer just wants something that will charge fast and be pretty. MagSafe does that.

 

[dk001]

Couple of items, my preferences, I’ll add into this mix:

1. I move my charging stations around to differento positions, especially in my office This makes mounting it in a stationary spot an issue.
2. If I pick my device up, unless it has a long cord (10’?) I want the charging station to stay, not come with the device.

Just my preferences.

 

[ukms]

Please tell me and show me where I've rubbished someone's opinion who disagrees with me.

And to your point, this was never about 3rd party Qi chargers in the first place. A certain member in here keeps telling me to return my iPhone 12 Pro Max when I never indicated that I was unhappy with the device. I expressed dislike for MagSafe and the fact that it did render some chargers unusable and that is all. I'm willing to buy another charger, but that doesn't mean I have to return my iPhone 12 like this person was saying, nor does it mean its my fault that my chargers no longer work like this person is claiming.

And if you look in this forum section, there is an entire thread dedicated to 3rd party chargers that no longer work. Its not the chargers, its Apple new implementation of wireless charging on their devices. Again, I'm willing to buy new ones but I have every right to express disappointment in that and also have every right to "rubbish" and disagree with someone who insistently tells me that this is my fault and that I should return my iPhone 12 Pro Max.

You know something ...... I humbly apologise .... I actually previously selectively scan read this thread, however I can now perfectly see the context of some of your responses ...... It doesn’t mean I completely agree with your beef about MagSafe though ...... but as always we all have different needs/wants/views.

 

[Kinggi]

I get that you don't like Magsafe, it ain't for everybody, but I think you have made some factual errors here.

• You say "Apple purposely made new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage standard QI charging pads.":
  This is not true in my experience. I've measured my cheap YooTech chargers with a USB-C wattage tester, and I'm getting the exact same results with my wife's old iPhone XS (7.5w) as I am with her new phone (7.5w). You could argue that 7.5w max is a slow charging rate for sure, but it isn't anything new. As has been reported here, some QI chargers don't like the new Magsafe ring my guess is there are two things going on:
  • I think different dimensions could be a contributing factor to some problems. Different coil alignment. Your Pro Max for example may be too high, or the mini too short to align properly with the coils on an easel style charger?
  • I suspect foreign object detection may be causing issues as well. Some pads have more aggressive foreign object detection than others. On my old iPhone XS Max, I had problems with a Pitaka mag-case for the same reason. My Pixel 4XL with a metal plate mounted under the coils also cause issues on some chargers, but not all. Every single QI charger I have in my house from years of playing with android work just fine with my iPhone 12. Hell, even the crappy "gift" one United Airlines sent me that refused to charge my Pixel 4XL works fine!
• You say "My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.":
  I'd agree. Quick-charging simply isn't a strength of standard QI chargers. Arguably if Apple would support the standard 15w QI charging protocol it would be a bit better. Fundamentally though, wireless charging is lossy and generates heat. Yes, some phone manufacturers now use proprietary methods for attaining higher wireless charging, but these also come with lots of heat and often the need for a cooling fan in the charger. If you need a quick top-off, a cable will always be better.
• You say "to me its a completely pointless accessory that apple is shoving on us.":
  Accessories are by definition optional. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It isn't "shoved" on anyone. Furthermore, I happen to think the simple addition of a ring of magnets improves wireless charging. Most notably, it is the first phone I've had since the Nexus 5, where magnets help to align to the optimal charging location every single time. Alignment has always been the most annoying thing about wireless charging. Furthermore, I love the fact that now magnetic car mounts will be standardized... we can finally do away with sticking metal plates on our cases, or figuring out exactly where to mount a magnetic metal ring on the back of the phone etc.

Amazing response.

 

[LongWayHome]

You know something ...... I humbly apologise .... I actually previously selectively scan read this thread, however I can now perfectly see the context of some of your responses ...... It doesn’t mean I completely agree with your beef about MagSafe though ...... but as always we all have different needs/wants/views.

No worries. And I understand if you don't agree with me. I know that there are poeple that like MagSafe, I'm just not one of them.

 

[Duncan68]

Every single wireless charger I have works the same on my 12PM as they did on my XS...

My 12 Pro was working great on my Qi chargers since I got it on Nov. 3, then inexplicably the other night it stopped working and rebooting the phone didn't fix it. The next day, Qi charging just started working again. I think it's a software bug.

 

[Duncan68]

While I agree wireless charging is wasteful. I'd pay extra for phone where:

• There are no ports
• The port is "power only" with no data transfer.

While I'm cognizant this could represent repair/troubleshooting challenges, for ME the security benefits outweigh the downsides. I'd be ok with some sort of metallic contacts on the back of the phone for "wired" charging without the data transfer capability. This would offset the energy-loss concerns.

The data port is the #1 vector for "cracks" at the moment: https://www.businessinsider.com/police-tools-crack-locked-smartphones-2020-10

What do people do that still manually transfer music and other data to their phones? WiFi sync is very unreliable.

 

[boltjames]

1. I like the iPhone 12 Pro Max. Never said I didn't. I don't like MagSafe because I think it sucks. Sorry that hurts your feelings but in my opinion its a terrible implementation of "wireless" charging.

MagSafe is the primary differentiating feature between the 12 and several other iPhones. You don’t like this feature. So either deal with it or return it. Complaining about a technology that you don’t like because you bought the wrong phone is on you, not Apple.

2. I never complained about replacing my chargers. I complained about them not working anymore when they were expensive at the time of purchase less than a year ago. I even asked another member in here which one he was using so that I could purchase it.

You bought the wrong Qi chargers. Just like you bought the wrong iPhone. Again, not a reason to call Apple out and make it their fault. The reason you are unhappy is because you didn’t do the research and/or bought the 12 before finding out if there were any incompatibilities you would find unsatisfactory.

I don't have to use MagSafe and won't, because it sucks. I also don't like the Apple attachable wallet. Does that mean I should return my iPhone?

Yes, return your iPhone. Or stop complaining. Pick one.

 

[LongWayHome]

MagSafe is the primary differentiating feature between the 12 and several other iPhones. You don’t like this feature. So either deal with it or return it. Complaining about a technology that you don’t like because you bought the wrong phone is on you, not Apple.




You bought the wrong Qi chargers. Just like you bought the wrong iPhone. Again, not a reason to call Apple out and make it their fault. The reason you are unhappy is because you didn’t do the research and/or bought the 12 before finding out if there were any incompatibilities you would find unsatisfactory.




Yes, return your iPhone. Or stop complaining. Pick one.

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[bklement]

next iPhone will have no ports and will be 50m water resistant

Then my current iphone will be my last. And that will probably be the last nail in the coffin for my mac too.

 

[bklement]

And don't forget that those dumb magnets and coils for wireless charging take away valuable space from the battery.

 

[LongWayHome]

MagSafe is the primary differentiating feature between the 12 and several other iPhones. You don’t like this feature. So either deal with it or return it. Complaining about a technology that you don’t like because you bought the wrong phone is on you, not Apple.




You bought the wrong Qi chargers. Just like you bought the wrong iPhone. Again, not a reason to call Apple out and make it their fault. The reason you are unhappy is because you didn’t do the research and/or bought the 12 before finding out if there were any incompatibilities you would find unsatisfactory.




Yes, return your iPhone. Or stop complaining. Pick one.

Oh my my my my my my my. You absolutely are not allowed to complain about the Apple TV remote. You bought the wrong streaming box and that is on you, not Apple. Complaining about a remote you don't like becuase you bought the wrong Apple TV is on you, not Apple. Sell the Apple TV. Now. Even at a great loss financially you must stand by your convictions. Sell it today and please post the receipt of the sale.

I think you and I are done here now.

 

[boltjames]

Oh my my my my my my my. You absolutely are not allowed to complain about the Apple TV remote. You bought the wrong streaming box and that is on you, not Apple. Complaining about a remote you don't like becuase you bought the wrong Apple TV is on you, not Apple. Sell the Apple TV. Now. Even at a great loss financially you must stand by your convictions. Sell it today and please post the receipt of the sale.

I haven't bought an Apple TV since 2015 and I didn't get frustrated with the remote until several years later when I'd experienced apps built-in to my smart TV's that were easier to use. I have 5 of them and only have 1 connected to a TV and use the remote exactly 2x per year as that's when the kids want to watch home movies. I don't need to return them because I have the apps I need in the TV's I own, my Apple TV's aren't necessary.

Hardly the same situation as your brand new iPhone 12 that brings you so much frustration and can still be returned at any Apple Store you choose to walk in to this very day. You use that phone 50x a day, 365 days a year, and you just got it. Unless you have another phone that supplants your 12, it's an essential component of your daily life, something that should never be a compromise.

 

[LongWayHome]

I haven't bought an Apple TV since 2015 and I didn't get frustrated with the remote until several years later when I'd experienced apps built-in to my smart TV's that were easier to use. I have 5 of them and only have 1 connected to a TV and use the remote exactly 2x per year as that's when the kids want to watch home movies. I don't need to return them because I have the apps I need in the TV's I own, my Apple TV's aren't necessary.

Hardly the same situation as your brand new iPhone 12 that brings you so much frustration and can still be returned at any Apple Store you choose to walk in to this very day. You use that phone 50x a day, 365 days a year, and you just got it. Unless you have another phone that supplants your 12, it's an essential component of your daily life, something that should never be a compromise.

Well wait a minute, now I'm confused. You can complain about the Apple TV remote but don't have to get rid of your Apple TV(s), but if I complain about MagSafe I have to return my iPhone 12? That doesn't seem balanced.

The iPhone 12 doesn't cause me frustration, MagSafe does, as I've tried to explain to you many, many times but you don't seem to understand. The iPhone 12 isn't dependent upon MagSafe so I can use my iPhone 100x a day and not worry about it or EVER use it, but I'll still say I don't like it.

You are absolutely NOT allowed to complain about the remote and still keep the ATV even if you don't need to use it or rarely use it. I don't need to use MagSafe and won't ever use it but I still have to return my iPhone 12 according to you.

Be a true man of your convictions and practice what you preach and sell your Apple TV's. Today. Post the receipts of your sales when they are completed.

Let's do the right thing together, I'll return and you sell and we can end this war on MagSafe and the Apple TV remote. I'll even step up and offer you $5 for one of them to take it off your hands and that will be one less remote for you to complain about.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well wait a minute, now I'm confused. You can complain about the Apple TV remote but don't have to get rid of your Apple TV(s), but if I complain about MagSafe I have to return my iPhone 12? That doesn't seem balanced.

The iPhone 12 doesn't cause me frustration, MagSafe does, as I've tried to explain to you many, many times but you don't seem to understand. The iPhone 12 isn't dependent upon MagSafe so I can use my iPhone 100x a day and not worry about it or EVER use it, but I'll still say I don't like it.

You are absolutely NOT allowed to complain about the remote and still keep the ATV even if you don't need to use it or rarely use it. I don't need to use MagSafe and won't ever use it but I still have to return my iPhone 12 according to you.

Be a true man of your convictions and practice what you preach and sell your Apple TV's. Today. Post the receipts of your sales when they are completed.

Let's do the right thing together, I'll return and you sell and we can end this war on MagSafe and the Apple TV remote. I'll even step up and offer you $5 for one of them to take it off your hands and that will be one less remote for you to complain about.

Mate, he’s is deliberately ignoring what you are saying and giving silly advice just to wind you up, he’s well known for it. You’re giving him the reaction he’s after.

I can see why you are frustrated with the fact you’ve bought an expensive charger and it suddenly doesn’t work with a new iPhone. Have you contacted the company that makes the charger to see if there is a possibility of them replacing it or discounting a version that is compatible? I use a wireless charger that was about £15 on Amazon a few years back and it’s worked fine so far. I don’t need a fast charger as I charge overnight so as long as it charges within 8 hours I am happy with that.

 

[LongWayHome]

Mate, he’s is deliberately ignoring what you are saying and giving silly advice just to wind you up, he’s well known for it. You’re giving him the reaction he’s after.

I can see why you are frustrated with the fact you’ve bought an expensive charger and it suddenly doesn’t work with a new iPhone. Have you contacted the company that makes the charger to see if there is a possibility of them replacing it or discounting a version that is compatible? I use a wireless charger that was about £15 on Amazon a few years back and it’s worked fine so far. I don’t need a fast charger as I charge overnight so as long as it charges within 8 hours I am happy with that.

Lol I know what he's doing, I find him funny and its entertaining watching him paint himself into a corner and try to back out of it.

No I didn't bother with trying to exchange the wireless chargers that no longer work. I have a lot of family that I gave them to and I just bought some new ones that are compatible. I appreciate the assistance and cheers to you.

 

[boltjames]

Let's do the right thing together, I'll return and you sell and we can end this war on MagSafe and the Apple TV remote.

I agree to this. Post your receipt when the return is completed.

 

[Robbosan]

BJ what happened to your trophy wife?

I really like the magsafe charger with 20w adapter, much smaller and easier to use than my old samsung. Got it for nicks too.

 

[AppleSmurf]

MagSafe is too hot...nothing else about it IMO.

 

[LongWayHome]

I agree to this. Post your receipt when the return is completed.

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Dude, the fact that you are taking anything I say to you seriously is concerning.