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Agreed!
I enjoy reading your long life posts. Wasn't saying your life was boring or anything; just pointing out how things go off topic so fast and how it makes the forum more interesting.Agreed, they are interesting. You may want to go back and read some of his older threads... he has quite a few of them!
But seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if this thread gets wastelanded soon... half of it is discussion about different generations. I'd appreciate if that doesn't happen, so start a thread in "Community Discussion" on this please!
Well, what really gets them wastelanded is arguing and stuff, which isn’t really going on in this thread. But I’m not a mod, so it’s up to their jurisdiction
True, but I have seen threads get wastelanded simply because they're super off-topic... I never minded this discussion, just trying to make a precaution so this thread doesn't get wastelanded as well.
Interesting thread. I'm in the millennial category but I don't act like it. (I hope) My dad is the silent generation and my mom Generation X. My wife is way more millennial that me, she was born is '93. I feel old though. My brother just turned 19 and he was born in '98. I feel ancient compared to him.
TBH I don't care anymore. If no one will stop I'll just take the information I got and that should be enough.
Continue on with your discussion!
So after I've sold everything I plan to sell and buy everything I plan to buy, I'll only have one PPC Mac left: my iBook G4. I've decided to sell my collectables.
Should make the PPC Challenges more challenging!
Should make the PPC Challenges more challenging!
When it comes to the black MacBook, my experience buying one at the bay had been as black as it's color.
I didn't like the sticky feeling touch of the anti-slip coating of the surface that tends to wear off. Mine was defective with the battery not charging [x]-battery symbol even with a new battery. Most of them are limited to 32-bit and Lion due to a stupid 32-EFI-Rom (same with the white c2d-iMacs). But in excellent condition they might be collectibles ...
I'd go for a MacBookPro4,1 - IMHO best value for money.
- It sports the silver-keyboard and looks a bit "old" like the PowerBooks (a lot of people rather go for the 'modern'-models with a black keyboard)
- Core2Duo 2,4 - 2,6 GHz; RAM only 4GM (could be upgraded up to 6GB but the 4GB DDR2 bricks a ridiculous expensive!), runs ElCapitan even with a spinning drive with reasonable speed and the drive can be swapped for an SSD drive and even better performance easily.
- the anti-glare display is much much brighter than Powerbook-displays.
- sports FireWire800, USB2 and (with the use of a PC-Card) also USB3
- price: 100-150€ here at the bay (I've got one at the occasion of 85€ which was offered as 'defective' because DVD-drive and iSight-camera malfunction)
My 17" MBP-'silver' is my favorite book for watching Netflix both with sunlight or at nighttime. Incredible sound with TwelveSouth BassJump2 attached. (I hope the above mentioned 15" one is just the same ...)
My second choice would be the late 2008 c2d 2.4-2.6 GHz aluminium MacBook 13" or 15" with the battery-door at the bottom. RAM up to 8Ghz DDR3. Unfortunately the 13" model has no FW-port so there's no option for target-mode. Easy access to the HDD, but battery-charging and battery-life is somehow quirky... OS X up to El Capitan. Best price for 150-250€ depending on model/RAM/HDD,SSD/condition.
Then it comes to the mid-2009 MBP 13" 2,5GHz (or later/better CPU). Up to 8GM RAM DDR3 (or 16GB for the last 2012 13" nrMBP i7). The mid-2009 was my first Mac. Now still great with SSD (and handed over to my son).
Sports USB2/FW/SD-Card-Slot.
Battery-life/charging is more reliable compared to the 'battery/HDD-door' 2008 models.
They compare to the PowerBook-G4-models, when it comes to robustness.
Best price for 250-350€ depending on model/RAM/HDD,SSD/condition.
Take care, if you look for a 15" nrMBP 2010-2012. Some of them have serious problems with the additional graphic-card. At Apple it's a well know "video-issue" for the 2010/2011-models, which lead to a prolonged replacement-program but unfortunately that support was mostly ceased because they run out of replacement-logic-boards. Professional repair for that kind of problems is about 200 bucks... (I'm once bitten twice shy ...)
If you consider the intel-i3/5/7-ligue take care about the dual/quad-core-thing, when it comes to Ghz.
I like to use a TPU-keyboard-cover for my intel-MacBooks. It's versatile for all the black MacBook-keyboards and the aluminum-keyboards and keeps dust and fluid off the keys. Unfortunately there's nothing like that for the 2008-silver-MacBookPros.
To make the long story short:
go for the black-book, if you look for the exceptional, the disappointment and the restriction (but there are late black-books that might run ElCapitan!).
Choose the underrated 15"MBP4,1 for value.
Take the 2008-battery-door aluminium book for easy HDD/battery-access and a particular battery.
Go for the c2d Unibody as a sturdy but still pricy companion.
Or go big and expensive with the intel-i-core models...
Whatever you choose: an SSD is the icing on the cake!
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When president Kennedy promised to land a man on the moon and Polio was overcome by oral vaccine I dared to start my presence on this planet (actually my parents did!).
So I guess, I'm a boomer?
The first computer in my life had been a 8086 with DOS and "Star Writer", the predecessor of OpenOffice.
I remember those days often stopping at the window of Lübeck's only Apple-vendor only displaying a single Macintosh.
I didn't like the sticky feeling touch of the anti-slip coating of the surface that tends to wear off. Mine was defective with the battery not charging [x]-battery symbol even with a new battery. Most of them are limited to 32-bit and Lion due to a stupid 32-EFI-Rom (same with the white c2d-iMacs). But in excellent condition they might be collectibles ...
I'd go for a MacBookPro4,1 - IMHO best value for money.
- It sports the silver-keyboard and looks a bit "old" like the PowerBooks (a lot of people rather go for the 'modern'-models with a black keyboard)
- Core2Duo 2,4 - 2,6 GHz; RAM only 4GM (could be upgraded up to 6GB but the 4GB DDR2 bricks a ridiculous expensive!), runs ElCapitan even with a spinning drive with reasonable speed and the drive can be swapped for an SSD drive and even better performance easily.
- the anti-glare display is much much brighter than Powerbook-displays.
- sports FireWire800, USB2 and (with the use of a PC-Card) also USB3
- price: 100-150€ here at the bay (I've got one at the occasion of 85€ which was offered as 'defective' because DVD-drive and iSight-camera malfunction)
My 17" MBP-'silver' is my favorite book for watching Netflix both with sunlight or at nighttime. Incredible sound with TwelveSouth BassJump2 attached. (I hope the above mentioned 15" one is just the same ...)
My second choice would be the late 2008 c2d 2.4-2.6 GHz aluminium MacBook 13" or 15" with the battery-door at the bottom. RAM up to 8Ghz DDR3. Unfortunately the 13" model has no FW-port so there's no option for target-mode. Easy access to the HDD, but battery-charging and battery-life is somehow quirky... OS X up to El Capitan. Best price for 150-250€ depending on model/RAM/HDD,SSD/condition.
Then it comes to the mid-2009 MBP 13" 2,5GHz (or later/better CPU). Up to 8GM RAM DDR3 (or 16GB for the last 2012 13" nrMBP i7). The mid-2009 was my first Mac. Now still great with SSD (and handed over to my son).
Sports USB2/FW/SD-Card-Slot.
Battery-life/charging is more reliable compared to the 'battery/HDD-door' 2008 models.
They compare to the PowerBook-G4-models, when it comes to robustness.
Best price for 250-350€ depending on model/RAM/HDD,SSD/condition.
Take care, if you look for a 15" nrMBP 2010-2012. Some of them have serious problems with the additional graphic-card. At Apple it's a well know "video-issue" for the 2010/2011-models, which lead to a prolonged replacement-program but unfortunately that support was mostly ceased because they run out of replacement-logic-boards. Professional repair for that kind of problems is about 200 bucks... (I'm once bitten twice shy ...)
If you consider the intel-i3/5/7-ligue take care about the dual/quad-core-thing, when it comes to Ghz.
I like to use a TPU-keyboard-cover for my intel-MacBooks. It's versatile for all the black MacBook-keyboards and the aluminum-keyboards and keeps dust and fluid off the keys. Unfortunately there's nothing like that for the 2008-silver-MacBookPros.
To make the long story short:
go for the black-book, if you look for the exceptional, the disappointment and the restriction (but there are late black-books that might run ElCapitan!).
Choose the underrated 15"MBP4,1 for value.
Take the 2008-battery-door aluminium book for easy HDD/battery-access and a particular battery.
Go for the c2d Unibody as a sturdy but still pricy companion.
Or go big and expensive with the intel-i-core models...
Whatever you choose: an SSD is the icing on the cake!
---
When president Kennedy promised to land a man on the moon and Polio was overcome by oral vaccine I dared to start my presence on this planet (actually my parents did!).
So I guess, I'm a boomer?
The first computer in my life had been a 8086 with DOS and "Star Writer", the predecessor of OpenOffice.
I remember those days often stopping at the window of Lübeck's only Apple-vendor only displaying a single Macintosh.
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Thanks! I should look into a newer Mac. I think I'm going to try a BlackBook first; the one I'm bidding on is advertised as perfect. If it has any problems I can return it and buy something newer. The MBP4,1 sounds like the Mac for me here.
But there's one problem... I'm really looking for a SL Mac. As crazy as I may sound, I do not like the newer OS X versions and I'm going to use SL until it becomes completely obsolete. I might possibly use ML. So, buying one of these newer Macs means I have more power than I need and I'm spending more money than I need to...
SL also does run like hell on the C2D "silverkey"MBPs. You wouldn't need an SSD for higher performance.
My 17" MBP-silver has got a partition for SL and ElCap. - I use SL to run iMovie'06 but once used to ElCap and stuff from the AppStore SL is not my privacy book...
Aaah the Silent Generation, that's me alright, not a whole lot of us left anymore, you know things are on the downturn when you realize the first page you turn to in a newspaper is the obits...
Jesus Christ Almighty
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Trust me, Snow Leopard is pretty obsolete by now. I used a SL Mac for a couple months earlier this year as my main portable, thinking it was a fantastic idea, but I quickly realised that the drawbacks weren’t worth it (this is only if you intend to use SL as a main OS, however).
Ideally, you should pick up a 2008-2010 Mac to dual boot Snow Leopard along with a newer OS for compatibility and security.
It simply comes down to this: are you looking for a tool or a toy?
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Yes, that generation was not large. But they dealt with the end of WWII, the rise of the Cold War, the start of the atomic age and the space age, birth of television and the growth of technology.
My dad was 17 when he signed up for the Marine Corps and where did he go? Korea. The Forgotten War. My mom would have been 19 in 1960 and she remembers Chuck Berry.
I hated the fact that within my own family I had no one my age. Either my cousins were adults with their own families or they were infants. And we all of course have our issues with our parents.
But at least the Silent Generation taught me the values I keep.
You are treading into dangerous territory with the MBP 3,1/4,1 as most are ticking time bombs with their GPUs.
I've had a bunch of them, and in fact wrote my master's thesis on one. I love them, but I've also lost a few and the LoBo can only be baked so many times(I think I can take one apart in my sleep). They cap at 6gb of RAM, but weirdly enough actually run just as fast with 4gb and it's a MUCH less expensive upgrade(4gb DDR-2 SO-DIMMs aren't cheap). Again, as much as I like the computer and that they are fully supported through El Capitan(plus Sierra if you either give up WiFi or change the card) they are not necessarily a computer I'd want as my only one.
I've had a bunch of them, and in fact wrote my master's thesis on one. I love them, but I've also lost a few and the LoBo can only be baked so many times(I think I can take one apart in my sleep). They cap at 6gb of RAM, but weirdly enough actually run just as fast with 4gb and it's a MUCH less expensive upgrade(4gb DDR-2 SO-DIMMs aren't cheap). Again, as much as I like the computer and that they are fully supported through El Capitan(plus Sierra if you either give up WiFi or change the card) they are not necessarily a computer I'd want as my only one.
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Sounds like the 4,1 isn't a good idea... what most people are saying is the 2010 or 2011 MacBooks are the best ones to get... well, I'm trying a BlackBook and that's final. If something doesn't work as advertised (and it's advertised with no problems) I can return it and buy a 2010 or 2011 model.
At least for me, when I make recommendations it's because I have hands on experience with the hardware and OS combinations under discussions. In the case of the BlackBook, I'm speaking from exactly that experience and from using SL when it was still reasonably well supported.
Of course, everyone is free to make their own decisions, but I'm not just making stuff or disagreeing to be contrary. Several of us have given you specific and extensive reasons as to why using that as a main computer isn't a great idea anymore. I COULD use one of my BlackBooks if I were on a deserted island, but now they're more curiosities for my collection than anything.
Best of luck with your new purchase.
Of course, everyone is free to make their own decisions, but I'm not just making stuff or disagreeing to be contrary. Several of us have given you specific and extensive reasons as to why using that as a main computer isn't a great idea anymore. I COULD use one of my BlackBooks if I were on a deserted island, but now they're more curiosities for my collection than anything.
Best of luck with your new purchase.
Yes, you all have WAY more experience than me and I should definitely listen to you. I'm just in love with that BlackBook design and color!
I'll probably end up returning it, and then buying your recommendation. But I need to try!