iPod touch Man....no camera, missing apps and worst of all....NO SPEAKER!!

[Phil A.]

Oh please. Think before you post, or at least try and be less 'Apple fanboy'.

It's got nothing to do with being "Apple Fanboy" (Digital SLR fanboy if anything )- I've already said the camera on the iPhone is crap. What I was saying is that the camera on the N95 and any other phone is also crap and that first picture you posted from the N95 was awful. The second one looks a bit better but you've reduced the size so it would do.
I have nothing against the N95 but what I was saying is that no camera phone is any good for anything except snapshots and I've never seen anything to prove any different.

 

[James L]

Sorry, but even those photos are not great... not bad for a cell phone, but no where near in comparison to what you can do with a real camera.

Image quality has very little to do with the number of megapixels, and so much to do with the lens and sensor. No camera with a fixed lens of that quality, and a tiny sensor like that, is going to produce great photos. There is a reason why quality camera equipment costs so much!

 

[Phil A.]

Wait for it to load completely.

It's been sat there for 8 hours - do you think that might be long enough...
Still looks awful

 

[Osarkon]

It's been sat there for 8 hours - do you think that might be long enough...
Still looks awful

The first picture's quality was horrendous.

The second however, was stunning. That's not at all bad for a phone.

 

[mrgreen4242]

The first picture's quality was horrendous.

The second however, was stunning. That's not at all bad for a phone.

(Emphasis mine.) Exactly, for a phone. I've never tried to contend that the iPhone is the best phone in every category, and I don't think that anyone else honestly believes that. However, my wife has a 1+ year old $99 Polaroid digital camera that takes much better photos than that. They're higher res, and when viewed at full size are much, much sharper, etc.

I think the point is that the iPhone takes GOOD pictures FOR A PHONE. It's also the best media playing phone, as well as has the best mobile browser, one of the best interfaces, and is a pretty decent phone, too. Overall, it's very likely the best cell phone out right now - even if a few other models are better at one thing or another.

 

[natezire71]

Ok, listen up you whiny S.O.B. I'm sick and tiered of you complaining. If you don't like it, sell it. I promise you no one wants to hear you complain. If you wanna complain, go talk to Steve Jobs, because we're sick of it. So shut up, and get the life that you'll never have. JUST GET A FRIGGIN IPHONE IF YOU WANT ALL OF THE STUFF YOU S.O.B

 

[Brianstorm91]

There should be a tiny speaker audible within 50cm, enough for a movie or said funtion.
I don't want people walking around playing their music besides me or sat beside me on the bus listening to 50 pence.
If you don't like the touch get that new Samsung.

 

[gloss]

There should be a tiny speaker audible within 50cm, enough for a movie or said funtion.
I don't want people walking around playing their music besides me or sat beside me on the bus listening to 50 pence.
If you don't like the touch get that new Samsung.

I dig the new Arctic Monkeys album.

 

[notjustjay]

Ok, listen up you whiny S.O.B. I'm sick and tiered of you complaining.

Easy, easy, this is the reason we get labelled as "Fanboys".

stevearm has a point, which I believe is that Apple claimed that the iPhone was years ahead of its competition. In some ways, this is true (multi-touch interface) but in other ways, it is not (generous list of features the phone is lacking, and yes, this includes the lack of a best-in-class camera).

The real question is "Should it have been?" It'd sure be nice if the iPhone had included a top-of-the-line camera, 3G, etc, etc, but then again I'm not so sure I'd be keen on paying $999 or whatever it would have ended up costing.

Apple made some compromises in other areas in order to give us what they've given us. Should they have? That's the real argument here.

 

[stevearm]

I think the point is that the iPhone takes GOOD pictures FOR A PHONE.

But that's just it. The iPhone takes HORRIBLE pictures FOR A PHONE. The worst camera of any cameraphone that's come out for the past two years.

When you compare it to proper cameras the differences are of course laughable, but when you look at it LIKE A PHONE... they're still awful, compared to the other phones out there that have oustanding cameras FOR A PHONE.

I'd also question the guy who argues about how no speaker on the touch is somehow better than having a speaker... what about YouTube? Say you want to share a video clip with a group of friends... what then?

Poorly designed by not having a speaker which no one is forced to use?

 

[stevearm]

Ok, listen up you whiny S.O.B. I'm sick and tiered of you complaining. If you don't like it, sell it. I promise you no one wants to hear you complain. If you wanna complain, go talk to Steve Jobs, because we're sick of it. So shut up, and get the life that you'll never have. JUST GET A FRIGGIN IPHONE IF YOU WANT ALL OF THE STUFF YOU S.O.B

When are you back at school after the xmas break?

 

[stevearm]

Easy, easy, this is the reason we get labelled as "Fanboys".

stevearm has a point, which I believe is that Apple claimed that the iPhone was years ahead of its competition. In some ways, this is true (multi-touch interface) but in other ways, it is not (generous list of features the phone is lacking, and yes, this includes the lack of a best-in-class camera).

The real question is "Should it have been?" It'd sure be nice if the iPhone had included a top-of-the-line camera, 3G, etc, etc, but then again I'm not so sure I'd be keen on paying $999 or whatever it would have ended up costing.

Apple made some compromises in other areas in order to give us what they've given us. Should they have? That's the real argument here.

Well said. I believe some compromises were necessary, however the list of shortcomings/compromises that Apple put in place with the iPhone is a few too many in my opinion, given the current state of the mobile phone market.

 

[mrgreen4242]

But that's just it. The iPhone takes HORRIBLE pictures FOR A PHONE. The worst camera of any cameraphone that's come out for the past two years.

That's just plain untrue. It may be the worst camera to come out in a new high end PDA phone is awhile, but by and large even new phones are much worse than that.

 

[OrangeCuse44]

I just have to laugh about how this thread just blew up, and rightfully so. I knew the OPs claims would just be torn to shreds here.

 

[pab277]

If you wanted those features, then why didnt you just buy the iPhone. This isnt an iPhone nor was it made to be one, so stop complaining. I completley understand why steve left some things out. Why make two of your own products compete with each other is what he thought, if he had added ALL those additional features, no one would go for the iPhone anymore and just buy the iPod Touch. Your ipod will soon fill with apps when the SDK is released but if you want a speaker, camera, etc, buy an iPhone. geez.

 

[Victor ch]

Ok thats it!!

The camera in the iPhone is not the best thing in the world, but when the lighting is good it gives AMAZING pictures (for a phone camera). Here's a pic of MacRumors user Luis (classmate and good friend of mine) at a local KFC. Seems better than that N95 huge one.

P.S: When there is too much light, the camera is crap, but I mean really really sunny ejej. None of the photos have been edited.

-Victor

 

[karleaglemac]

Ok, listen up you whiny S.O.B. I'm sick and tiered of you complaining. If you don't like it, sell it. I promise you no one wants to hear you complain. If you wanna complain, go talk to Steve Jobs, because we're sick of it. So shut up, and get the life that you'll never have. JUST GET A FRIGGIN IPHONE IF YOU WANT ALL OF THE STUFF YOU S.O.B

Haha! Whaaat is going on here?! This is hilarious! With each post, this thread gets better and better.

I need some popcorn...

 

[JAT]

You're joking right? Have you not seen Sony Ericsson's fantastic cameraphones? Or the Nokia N-series phones with a 5 megapixel still/video camera with flash, digital zoom, manual settings and editing?

The iPhone camera is pathetic compared to what's on the market at the moment. Again, for a device that's supposedly '5 years ahead of the competition'.

I will repeat. No phone has a good camera. I did not say the iPhone camera was ok.

You need help. The most important part of a camera is the lens. No phone has anything approaching a decent lens. My main lens cost a few pennies more than the iPhone. You seem to know much about phones. Congrats. You don't know much about cameras.

Why? Because I'm not an audiophile who cares about perfect sound quality. I'm perfectly content with the iPhone speaker when it's sitting on my kitchen counter, while I make dinner, or while I'm doing something else and want some background music. Nothing wrong with that.

So, we've established you don't care about audio or picture quality. Sad.

The touch is an iPhone without a whole host of features. The speaker was just another thing they got rid of so as not to damage iPhone sales.

Yes. And? Are you saying the iPhone sucks, but the Touch really sucks? Then buy something else, I guess. No iPod has a speaker. Even so, they seem to be selling pretty well, maybe you are in the minority on this one. Considering that you already have an iPhone, I think your problem with the speaker is covered.

 

[stevearm]

I will repeat. No phone has a good camera. I did not say the iPhone camera was ok.

You need help. The most important part of a camera is the lens. No phone has anything approaching a decent lens. My main lens cost a few pennies more than the iPhone. You seem to know much about phones. Congrats. You don't know much about cameras.

You're right, no phone has a good camera, but if you had to compare phone cameras, a few of the Nokia and Sony Ericsson ones would be getting 9, 10 out of 10, and the iPhone would be getting a 2. Typical fanboy attitude of 'well Apple were smart not to make a good camera because no camera on a phone is good anyway so what's the point'. Fact remains in this day and age, cameras on phones are getting much better and the iPhone deserved more.

Of course it'll never compare to a proper camera, but then who says it's supposed to? Coming from my N95 with 5 megapixels, manual features, digital zoom, xenon flash, editing features... the iPhone camera is awful. Sorry Steve, it's 5 years BEHIND the competition.

Yes. And? Are you saying the iPhone sucks but the Touch really sucks?

Learn to read.

Then buy something else, I guess. No iPod has a speaker. Even so, they seem to be selling pretty well, maybe you are in the minority on this one. Considering that you already have an iPhone, I think your problem with the speaker is covered.

Ok so when someone wants to show a few of his friends a clip on youtube on his touch... oh wait, he can't... because there's no speaker. Just because "no ipod has ever had a speaker" doesn't mean it can't start now. No iPod has ever had Youtube before either, does that mean it shouldn't have it now? Of course not.

 

[Jack Flash]

The camera in the iPhone is not the best thing in the world, but when the lighting is good it gives AMAZING pictures (for a phone camera). Here's a pic of MacRumors user Luis (classmate and good friend of mine) at a local KFC. Seems better than that N95 huge one.

P.S: When there is too much light, the camera is crap, but I mean really really sunny ejej. None of the photos have been edited.

-Victor

/thread

 

[mrgreen4242]

You're right, no phone has a good camera, but if you had to compare phone cameras, a few of the Nokia and Sony Ericsson ones would be getting 9, 10 out of 10, and the iPhone would be getting a 2. Typical fanboy attitude of 'well Apple were smart not to make a good camera because no camera on a phone is good anyway so what's the point'. Fact remains in this day and age, cameras on phones are getting much better and the iPhone deserved more.

It seems to me that you either really want one of these N95 phones or you're trying to justify your purchase of one, or maybe trying to dissuade yourself from buying an iPhone. In any case, it's clear from the ~5m people out there who bought an iPhone and seem to like it pretty well that it's an acceptable device.

I agree it would have been nice if the touch was an iPhone without the phone bits, but it's not. It's still a pretty slick piece of tech, though, so if it does what you want and you have $300-400 to spend get one, otherwise don't. It's pretty simple. If you would get one if only it had XXX feature, I recommend dropping Apple a line - no one here is going to be able to add a speaker to the touch for you.

 

[Victor ch]

/thread

...? Sorry I don't get the "/thread" thing. Sorry dude I was just trying to show that the camera in the iPhone can be quite good, of course a 7.2MP 150$+ camera is 10 times better, but the one in the iPhone is not that shi*ty.

-Victor

 

[Jack Flash]

...? Sorry I don't get the "/thread" thing. Sorry dude I was just trying to show that the camera in the iPhone can be quite good, of course a 7.2MP 150$+ camera is 10 times better, but the one in the iPhone is not that shi*ty.

-Victor

Hah I was simply supporting you! That picture is quite nice and I'd say it is perfect for what people use camera phone pictures for.

 

[kockgunner]

...? Sorry I don't get the "/thread" thing. Sorry dude I was just trying to show that the camera in the iPhone can be quite good, of course a 7.2MP 150$+ camera is 10 times better, but the one in the iPhone is not that shi*ty.

-Victor

Not really actually. As the megapixels go higher, more pixels have to be squeezed in a smaller amount of space meaning each pixel is less sensitive to light, leading to image noise such as off-color speckles or rough edges, worse performance in dim conditions, and the loss of finer tonal gradations such as the subtle shadows of a white wedding dress. Megapixels is just a marketing word to get us to buy cameras. It's the same thing with megahertz and the computer.

 

[stevearm]

...? Sorry I don't get the "/thread" thing. Sorry dude I was just trying to show that the camera in the iPhone can be quite good, of course a 7.2MP 150$+ camera is 10 times better, but the one in the iPhone is not that shi*ty.

-Victor

Yes, the iPhone camera is very sh*tty compared with most new phones out in the past couple of years.

No flash, no manual features, an on-screen button (??), sluggish viewfinder, necessity to hold the camera absolutely still when taking photos, no zoom, only 2 megapixels, no ability to MMS the photos (???), grainy/noisy images,

To the person who said megapixels don't matter. I guarantee you that if you scaled a 5M photo down to 2M the quality would be stunning, and infinitely better than the crappy iPhone camera.

It seems to me that you either really want one of these N95 phones or you're trying to justify your purchase of one, or maybe trying to dissuade yourself from buying an iPhone. In any case, it's clear from the ~5m people out there who bought an iPhone and seem to like it pretty well that it's an acceptable device.

I have both an N95 and an iPhone. the N95 does some things better than the iPhone and vice versa. They're both fantastic phones.

I'm sure the millions of people who bought an N95 are also pleased with it as well.