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Correct me if I'm wrong please but doesn't the "ask for permission" be not really there as by default the privacy is switched on so its automatically assuming you don't want to be tracked? So why are all the articles about users allowing apps to track them when in settings the feature is on by default so only a person that intentionally turns the feature off to start having individual request will actually see the permissions.

Who, in their right state of mind, would actually remove the default option and would want the apps to ask you?
 
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I don't get why targeted advertising is so "evil" to everyone... I mean... I would much rather see ads for products that are relevant to me and some random crap.
 
What a psycho.

does he really have to react like that when all someone is doing is making the, share what Facebook is doing in the most general of terms and give people the option of opting out of tracking when they are not using his product?
 
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I don't get why targeted advertising is so "evil" to everyone... I mean... I would much rather see ads for products that are relevant to me and some random crap.
I don't think it's personalized ads for products that are bad. The problems are:

1 - They're collecting personal info which could be used against you if it ended up in the wrong hands. IE, answers to security questions which would allow a hacker into your bank account. Most people also have personal info somehow contained in their passwords/codes, IE, birthdays or anniversaries, or sports teams, or names of people or makes of cars or types of food. Everyone knows they're bad passwords, but we're told that not just because it's bad, but because breaches tell us that people are still doing it all the time.

Or other embarrassing things that people could be blackmailed over. IE, whether they're fertile, or if they needed therapy or intervention of something... these companies harvest this info without our knowledge. Maybe nobody at Facebook is evil, but it's possible that Facebook's security is breached, and then nefarious actors have this info. Except that's not even needed - Facebook will just sell the info to whoever will pay for it.

2 - Then there's the issue that some ads want to influence behavior, not sell a product. Ads trying to discourage drinking and driving are good. Ads trying to discourage you from voting, to suppress turnout for a candidate or position? That's generally considered evil. It's nice that Facebook has said they won't do political ads anymore, but I suspect there's other more subtle/sinister ways thought manipulation via ads can be used.

Maybe a foreign country could do a disinformation campaign in a rivaling nation so that people don't have as many kids, or engage in riskier behaviors, or make stupid choices in college, all to drive down a nation's GDP over the course of a generation. That was all off the top of my head just now... it's not hard to imagine how this works. The US engaged in propaganda to suppress morale since at least WWII and through the Cold War. The Koreas do it to each other all the time right now. Seems like targeted ads makes for a trivial way of doing this - no need to drop pamphlets or set up broadcasting stations.
 
Is Facebook still a thing? Why is Zuckerberg so sure people will stick with him over Apple?
 
I can't wait till the day Apple removes Facebook off their App Store when they find out Facebook will do some sort of privacy bypass to avoid Apple's requirement.
 
Zuckerberg, outraged by Cook's comments and public influence on Facebook's reputation, reportedly told internal aides and team members that Facebook needs to "inflict pain" on Apple, according to sources who spoke on anonymity to The Wall Street Journal. Last month, during the company's earnings call, Zuckerberg called Apple an increasingly bigger threat to Facebook and accused the Cupertino tech giant of using its platforms to interfere with how Facebook operates its own apps.
What kind of pain, and how, is what I'm wondering.
 
Facebook made its billions on a dodgy business model and now that's coming to an end. Tough s***, little Mr. Sugarmountain. The thought that FB can inflict pain on Apple is hilariously arrogant and presumptuous.
 
I can't wait till the day Apple removes Facebook off their App Store when they find out Facebook will do some sort of privacy bypass to avoid Apple's requirement.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
And that's why Apple needs to be force to open iOS up just like macOS, they should not be able to stop people from using something on their *cough* own device. I would also love if Apple remove Facebook from the AppStore, this would be the quickest way to reach that goal, and open peoples eyes how severe the situation is.
 
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Wishful thinking.

China accounts for over 15% of Apples revenue and at its peak has been as high as 25% also China isn't like the US where they can hide behind the supreme court when the FBI come calling, its comply or die in China and there is no way Apple is willing to risk 20% of its revenues.

Tim Cook likes to talk about Google and Facebook when it comes to pivacy being a human right but he's silent on China, we all know why.
Less wishful than you think. Apple's favorite tactic is to leverage the opinion of people. They had used this in the US plenty. Can you imagine if Apple took the hard route against the US government and stopped selling iPhones here?
They have a growing market share in China as wealth is becoming more wide spread (unlike the US their middle class is growing). They know that they will be able to leverage this in time against the Chinese restrictions. Tim Cook is a frighteningly strategic and patient individual and I suspect this is his plan.
 
"Apple's ATT is about maximizing Apple profits..." Well, Apple protects my privacy better than the competition, so I buy their products. I GUESS you could make that case kind of the way a waiter is about maximizing earnings by providing great service. That is pretty much how it is supposed to work.

And, in this case, it IS working.

As opposed to Facebook's version of maximizing profits: running a private intelligence agency that spies on its own customers and sells that information to anyone with a line of credit, and censors those that it disagrees with "to protect the community" while allowing vile lies and hatred to be perpetuated as long as it isn't being threatened.
 
Let’s hope this ends Facebook. I guess we can all keep wishing and dreaming...
 
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