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The could make it a paid/sub app on Windows and Android, and free on MacOS and IOS devices to exploit the benefits of the Apple ecosystem.
Tesla does this with their Model S and X being able to get lifetime free supercharging, and the lower cost model 3 being a free allotment and pay if you want more.
Sort of the like a drug dealer handling out free samples.
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They won't do that ...
I will happily eat crow if wrong, but this move would be very anti-Apple
Trust me - I'd LOVE them to bring iMessage to Android and Windows.
It literally is one of the biggest reasons I don't stray from macOS and iOS at this point.
Next month will be a year since I purchased my MacBook Pro and I've had no issues with the keyboard. I have kept the computer clean and blew air through the keyboard once and so far I haven't noticed any issues or had problems with the keys.
As far as typing on the keyboard itself I do like it but I don't do a lot of typing. I do think if I was typing for hours my fingers would tire as it takes more effort to strike the keys.
As far as typing on the keyboard itself I do like it but I don't do a lot of typing. I do think if I was typing for hours my fingers would tire as it takes more effort to strike the keys.
I have seen stranger things in tech. Google uses a Microsoft driven language in their top end javascript platform and many of their developers use the Microsoft VS Code editor for development. Facebook uses tools from Uber. Apple devs use Linux to get at Nvidia GPUs. Microsoft and Amazon are integrating voice APIs. The list goes on and on.
[doublepost=1526147737][/doublepost]You know the keyboard issue is mainstream when Yahoo covers it.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apple-hit-lawsuit-over-completely-165118064.html
We will see. But if they want to grow they need to continue growing they give people a reason to switch.
I abandoned iPhones after the 3s so have never used iMessage as it is today. Since then I have used Android phones, like 90% of the world. So am I missing something and should I consider an iPhone when I upgrade in a year? Right now I don't have a reason. Would messaging work better on an iPhone and MBP then it does with my S8 and MBP? Again, no way for me to know.
Maybe I will ask Tim at the stockholder meeting.
The answer is "yes it would" and the way to find out is buy an iPhone again.
That is Apple's approach.
They've grown way beyond the phase 10-12 years ago when they were even remotely worried about luring Windows users (with the Mac Mini - bring your own peripherals type of thing).
That makes me kind of sad. Even Google is pretty scrappy in the areas I deal with them in. I hope Apple does not get like a former employer of mine, Digital Equipment. There was internal debate about buying Apple in the 1980s. But our CEO had famously said "Who wants a computer in their home?" As they say "Pride goeth before the fall"
I don't really agree that it should be a point of making you sad.
Apple's approach is just more "buy and try us and see". They believe, and they are correct I think, that the best experience with their offerings is using their software and hardware together and so they skew towards encouraging that path.
They have a very generous return policy - and certainly at holiday times - if you're looking to demo the situation.
Back to the raw topic - another Mac news site is reporting today that there is a class action lawsuit now on file over the keyboard issues in the 2016 and 2017 MBP. The law firm has posted a page on their claims here: https://www.girardgibbs.com/apple-macbook-pro-keyboard-defect-lawsuit/
One of the things that is interesting (to me) is that, according to the other site's report, the complaint filed in the district court makes extensive claims about how the 2015 rMB, which was the original Apple laptop with this keyboard, started showing defects almost immediately - but the lawyers apparently have not sought any compensation on behalf of rMB owners. Given the economics of class action suits, that seems odd.
I will say that, just as a matter of unscientific observation, the 12" rMB keyboard seems to generate a lot fewer complaints about keyboard failures.
Edited because reading the entire complaint through I see that the putative class named in paragraph 82 does include rMB owners from 2015 forward in addition to rMBP owners from 2016 forward. The law firm's website refers only to "MacBook Pro" laptops, however.
I will say that, just as a matter of unscientific observation, the 12" rMB keyboard seems to generate a lot fewer complaints about keyboard failures.
Edited because reading the entire complaint through I see that the putative class named in paragraph 82 does include rMB owners from 2015 forward in addition to rMBP owners from 2016 forward. The law firm's website refers only to "MacBook Pro" laptops, however.
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Thx and most definitely male last time I checked
Issue I personally have is the dilution of the MBP from being a serious profession tool to the predominantly consumer based appliance it's become today, very much a downward slope.
Apple is well vested in it's consumer base, yet equally Apple continues to disregard and price gouge customers at every possible instance! more amusingly some simply lap it up
Personally I feel I simply point out obvious issues, however some are compelled to fiind reason to continuously rebuke and defend Apple in the face of clear issues, and even at the detriment of their own work...
Reality is defending a multi billion dollar company that clearly abuses it's position is simply laughable. Monopolies have never served the consumer and never will...
I refuse to watch yet another keynote with yet another Apple exec procrastinating about how Apple values it's professional audience, and yet churns out ever more diluted consumer garbage. Apple was once a pinicle of innovation, today Apple is company that has to fall back on pathetic excuses as to why it's incapable of producing professional grade hardware
I simply expect more, nor will I accept the current rubbish, Apple needs to step up their game, or stop ********ing about it's Pro commitment as its currently little more than a joke.
Personally I appreciate we'll enginnered hardware and software as it's an aspect of my profession , nor am I biased to any specific brand...
Some lead, some challenge, some follow, simple as that...
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All this back and forth, people making excuses for an unreliable keyboard design, trying to deflect the real issue by questioning failure rates, recommending users buy an external keyboard, etc. The noise in this thread is unbearable.
Apple just needs to get this whole mess fixed. It needs to stop charging insane amounts of money for replacements for current models, and ensure that future models don't have the same problem.
Apple just needs to get this whole mess fixed. It needs to stop charging insane amounts of money for replacements for current models, and ensure that future models don't have the same problem.
Yes I also don't understand why the MB is not part of the lawsuit.
On the other hand when u just compare the number of forum post of the MB vs the MBP (28k vs 130k) probably there are just less units sold that's why there are less complaints.
Edited my post above because while reading the whole complaint through this morning (yawn!), I see that paragraph 82 does name MacBook owners as members of the putative class. The law firm's website does not refer to MacBooks, however - only the MacBook Pro. If anyone should be able to discern the importance of getting names right, it should be lawyers...?
Exactly it's typical of Apple's greed and corporate hubris. Right now I have zero respect for Apple, it's cheapness, it's price gouging, nickel and diming it's customer's at literally every opportunity.
Apple should openly admit there is a design flaw, repair all failed keyboards at their cost and above all fix the problem...
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There’s a worrying trend under Cook where Ive appears to be indulged.
Yes, he and his team are creating industrial design products that are approaching sculpture/what you’d find in the luxury industry.
When you compare what Apple does with their competitors, they are leagues ahead.
However, I’d argue that Apple are always at their best when they get that Bauhaus inspired mix of ‘form and function’ at a perfect 50/50.
It seeems lately that form is increasingly being prioritised over function - and an object being easily repairable is an important part of function.
I’d like to see them dial back the ‘object as a sculpture approach’ for their Macs and get back into the groove of appreciating that letting a user open their computer and within 5 minutes, have upgraded its memory and/or its SSD thus massively improving its function.
Or allowing a certified service professional to easily open a computer and replace and repair more complex parts in no more than lunchtime.
That’s beautiful too.
Yes, he and his team are creating industrial design products that are approaching sculpture/what you’d find in the luxury industry.
When you compare what Apple does with their competitors, they are leagues ahead.
However, I’d argue that Apple are always at their best when they get that Bauhaus inspired mix of ‘form and function’ at a perfect 50/50.
It seeems lately that form is increasingly being prioritised over function - and an object being easily repairable is an important part of function.
I’d like to see them dial back the ‘object as a sculpture approach’ for their Macs and get back into the groove of appreciating that letting a user open their computer and within 5 minutes, have upgraded its memory and/or its SSD thus massively improving its function.
Or allowing a certified service professional to easily open a computer and replace and repair more complex parts in no more than lunchtime.
That’s beautiful too.
Ive =/= engineer. His team work to the parameters set but he engineers who will work out what’s possible. Ive’s team just make the design look pretty. He’s likely involved with the decision making in the board room, but I doubt he’s sat there just saying ‘needs to be thinner’ as the popular meme would have it...
I would suspect that the only other person who has more influence at Apple than Ive, is Cook.
I’m not down on Ive. He leads a team that has created some of the best industrial design, ever.
I think though, that since Jobs passed away, he’s not had someone say ‘no’ to him enough.
Presumably Cook fears that if he says ‘no’ too many times, Ive will retire and consult at a car or watch company or something.
Though Cook obviously did say ‘no’ to more gold watches. Apple in the luxury bracket was an uncomfortable fit -it did seem like we had a gold watch mostly because Ive wanted to experiment with gold.
Again, an example of Ive being a little bit too self indulgent.
I mean, I don't doubt he is pretty influential within the company, but I think there's an over tendency to think thinner design = Ive's doing. I'd imagine it's more the case that it's a company wide ethos to make smaller, lighter, faster products - that's pretty much been the standby enhancements for years now. Schiller is in charge of marketing, so of course he's going to want to tout a new more compact but still more powerful computer, iPad or iPhone too. Again, I think it's decisions taken by the company executive as a whole, not everyone pulling for larger products to facilitate better x,y,z features, but Ive putting his foot down and saying 'no we're making it thinner, or else'.
My MacBook Air 11’ was difficult to use on my lap without a lap desk. My MBP 13’ 2017 is usable. Any thinner have to use a lap desk. I miss LAPtops. Lol
If that's true, then Cook needs to go.
Ive will go at some point because he gets bored or is just "done" and the company as a whole shouldn't be beholden to just hanging on to him as long as possible.
Frankly, I think Ive's interest has already checked out and he should be shown the door as it is, now.
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More or less it’s perception, I think there’s also a quote from someone who worked at Apple saying Steve Jobs put Ive on a pedestal re: design, but I think it’s been taken and twisted wildly out of context.
Ok cool - was wondering if I was missing some secret blog or website or something. Thanks!