[Merged] HTC Evo 4G / Supersonic / Sprint Evo

[slippery-pete]

Woohoo! You know you love it! So does everyone else, look at how many posts and views this thread has

At least we answer questions for those who have them though and arguing pros and cons compared to the iPhone is interesting. I am not expecting to change anyones mind and dont really care too. My phone works great for ME, thats really all that matters.

I am enjoying it. Great reading!

 

[phrint]

Actually, you'd still have the 8gb card that came with the EVO so essentially you're getting 40gb for that price along with Television, FM Radio and several good free solutions for navigation. So the money saved in not having to purchase such things or pay an extra monthly fee for such things more then makes up for a $100 additional cost on the memory card. And the battery isn't an issue. A lot of people have gotten a full days use out of it. Like anything, including the iPhone, it depends on how you use it. They sell bigger battery packs for iPhones too.

Add in the unlimited data, 4G, bigger screen and ability to use it as a hotspot and it's just icing on the cake.

Sorry but your post makes absolutely no sense. Sounds quite defensive and not logical.

 

[Lava Lamp Freak]

Sorry but your post makes absolutely no sense. Sounds quite defensive and not logical.

Sorry but YOUR post makes absolutely NO sense. Sounds quite defensive and NOT logical.

 

[cwwilson]

my EVO has been getting a lot of attention from friends and co-workers, even those with iPhones are in love with it. It feels kinda cool actually, it will be fun to see if they get the new iPhone or not.

The notification system is just great especially the lights. Camera is fun (haven't tried the camcorder yet) and it truly does multitask. When 2.2 releases, the 30fps cap might get removed and support for 512 RAM will make this phone even better. This is the experience I was looking for and Sprint picking up the slack where AT&T left off has made me very happy.

 

[jackapple]

I picked up an EVO today to test out as well and it is an excellent phone. Like the person above said, the notification system is wonderful. The only problem I have is lack of coverage in my house, so it will be going back. It's funny, when Best Buy called to tell me they got the EVO in, the call dropped during the conversation with the lovely "Call Failed" message on my iPhone 3GS. Like most people out here in Vegas though, I'm accustom to AT&T's 50% call failure rate on 3G, but it was comical nonetheless. Man, it feels shameful to admit that my most used app is AT&T's Mark The Spot

One thing I would really like to know from anyone who has developer experience is why the scrolling on these Android phones is so jagged compared to the smoothness of iOS devices. Please only legitimate answers and no fanboyism sarcastic responses. I truly just really want to know why. The EVO has to have a fast enough processor to smoothly scroll, but yet when you put the two side by side and drag your fingers up and down a page, the iPhone is just so smooth compared to the EVO.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Sorry but YOUR post makes absolutely NO sense. Sounds quite defensive and NOT logical.

Good comeback.

 

[ValenR]

One thing I would really like to know from anyone who has developer experience is why the scrolling on these Android phones is so jagged compared to the smoothness of iOS devices. Please only legitimate answers and no fanboyism sarcastic responses. I truly just really want to know why. The EVO has to have a fast enough processor to smoothly scroll, but yet when you put the two side by side and drag your fingers up and down a page, the iPhone is just so smooth compared to the EVO.

You might want to watch/read this :O
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/24/further-tests-confirm-iphone-touchscreen-superiority/
It's somewhat interesting

 

[mbell75]

One thing I would really like to know from anyone who has developer experience is why the scrolling on these Android phones is so jagged compared to the smoothness of iOS devices. Please only legitimate answers and no fanboyism sarcastic responses. I truly just really want to know why. The EVO has to have a fast enough processor to smoothly scroll, but yet when you put the two side by side and drag your fingers up and down a page, the iPhone is just so smooth compared to the EVO.

What pages do you mean? You want to see jagged scrolling on an iPhone? Go to a forum like this and open up a page with alot of posts and graphics on it and flick scroll hard. You will notice a checkerboard pattern for a second as the iPhone underpowered 256MB RAM tries to keep up. I get ZERO of that with my Evo. That to me is much smoother scrolling.

If you are talking about swiping from screen to screen, its a no brainer. The iPhone doesnt do anything. Its just a basic background with button icons. The screens on an Evo can have tons of animations and live widgets and wallpapers the iPhone could never run. So of course you might see a slight stutter if you swipe thru them fast, its processing a ton more info than an iPhone does. The one thing I will give the iPhone the upper hand in is pinch to zoom in the browser. Its more smooth and accurate on the iPhone.

 

[kevinof]

My wife has the iphone 3g and I have the HTC Desire. Where I see the difference is not in the sensitivity of the touchscreen but in the OS. To me it seems that the iphone (OS) is better optimized to the hardware than the Desire and this gives you a better user experience. This is understandable as Apple only have to tune their OS to their hardware, whereas Android is not targeted at any specific hardware platform and its up to the manufacturer to tune it to their specific handset.

As a result you do get a slower (damped?) scroll and a nice bounce with the iphone which gives a better feel to it.

Having said that I don't have any probems with the HTC. It works just fine and the scrolling is smooth enough for me without any stuttering. I wouldn't be handing it back just because I didn't like the scrolling!

You might want to watch/read this :O
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/24/further-tests-confirm-iphone-touchscreen-superiority/
It's somewhat interesting

 

[ChazUK]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.2; en-gb; Nexus One Build/FRF50) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1)

I personally prefer the kinetic scrolling on Android and feel that on my iPod touch it stops scrolling too soon (especially on zoomed in webpages and the lower res screen). Stopping the screen where you want it by "grabbing" (or tapping) it works for me too.

With a single swipe you can pretty much go top to bottom on all but the longest of lists.

Hopefully HTC don't drag their heels with Froyo on the Desire/Evo/Incredible as scrolling seems improved further on 2.2.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Sorry but your post makes absolutely no sense. Sounds quite defensive and not logical.

By all means, point out exactly what is illogical. As for the defensive part, lol, it's damn hard to be defensive about this topic when I currently am deciding between the two phones and own neither. But thanks for playing!

 

[DeathChill]

What pages do you mean? You want to see jagged scrolling on an iPhone? Go to a forum like this and open up a page with alot of posts and graphics on it and flick scroll hard. You will notice a checkerboard pattern for a second as the iPhone underpowered 256MB RAM tries to keep up. I get ZERO of that with my Evo. That to me is much smoother scrolling.

If you are talking about swiping from screen to screen, its a no brainer. The iPhone doesnt do anything. Its just a basic background with button icons. The screens on an Evo can have tons of animations and live widgets and wallpapers the iPhone could never run. So of course you might see a slight stutter if you swipe thru them fast, its processing a ton more info than an iPhone does. The one thing I will give the iPhone the upper hand in is pinch to zoom in the browser. Its more smooth and accurate on the iPhone.

How's that possible? I thought Android (pre-froyo) cannot address more then 256 MB of RAM, so that shouldn't be any difference.

Also, good job on answering his question without deflecting like a fanboy..or not.

 

[ViViDboarder]

How's that possible? I thought Android (pre-froyo) cannot address more then 256 MB of RAM, so that shouldn't be any difference.

Also, good job on answering his question without deflecting like a fanboy..or not.

It's just a different kind of algorithm they use for scrolling. I'm pretty sure Apple has a patent on their version of kinetic scrolling.

I am waiting for my android phone, but this is what I understand so far as the differences:

iPhone moves directly with your finger and glides for a bit when you let go. When it hits the top it bounces back with a set spring constant.

On Android it starts moving slower but can accelerate. Like I said, I have had little experience with it. The other major change is that it just stops when you're at the top or bottom. This doesn't look as clean, but functionally it works. It has nothing to do with CPU load.

Make sense?

 

[TroyBoy30]

One thing I would really like to know from anyone who has developer experience is why the scrolling on these Android phones is so jagged compared to the smoothness of iOS devices. Please only legitimate answers and no fanboyism sarcastic responses. I truly just really want to know why. The EVO has to have a fast enough processor to smoothly scroll, but yet when you put the two side by side and drag your fingers up and down a page, the iPhone is just so smooth compared to the EVO.

maybe cause of this?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/iphone-4s-seams-explained-ready-to-solve-atandt-call-issues-vi/

HTC EVO 4G's graphics capped at 30FPS?

between the battery issues, light leakage issues and now the screens coming apart, seems the iphone is the way to go again

 

[ViViDboarder]

maybe cause of this?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/08/iphone-4s-seams-explained-ready-to-solve-atandt-call-issues-vi/

HTC EVO 4G's graphics capped at 30FPS?

between the battery issues, light leakage issues and now the screens coming apart, seems the iphone is the way to go again

Yea. Remember when the 3G came out? And it had battery issues, light leakage issues and dust under the screen? Yea...

Putting things into perspective. Also, 30fps is not that bad. Most video is only 30fps. It would likely only be noticeable when running 3D games if you end up dropping frames you'd fall below. That's why it's nice to have a higher frame rate. This'll probably be fixed though anyway. Looks like it's software.

 

[mikethebigo]

What pages do you mean? You want to see jagged scrolling on an iPhone? Go to a forum like this and open up a page with alot of posts and graphics on it and flick scroll hard. You will notice a checkerboard pattern for a second as the iPhone underpowered 256MB RAM tries to keep up. I get ZERO of that with my Evo. That to me is much smoother scrolling.

If you are talking about swiping from screen to screen, its a no brainer. The iPhone doesnt do anything. Its just a basic background with button icons. The screens on an Evo can have tons of animations and live widgets and wallpapers the iPhone could never run. So of course you might see a slight stutter if you swipe thru them fast, its processing a ton more info than an iPhone does. The one thing I will give the iPhone the upper hand in is pinch to zoom in the browser. Its more smooth and accurate on the iPhone.

Android scrolls slow because it's a virtual java environment on top of linux. It also does not use the GPU for most of the GUI animations so the CPU has to take up that burden as well. The iPhone on the other hand uses native code with no intermediate layer and uses a relatively powerful GPU for many of the animations. This is why scrolling and other things are slower, and will probably continue to be slower, on Android.

Notice that scrolling on the Nexus One with a 1 ghz processor is much jumpier than on the iPhone with a 600 mhz processor (both have the same architecture basically).

Also, anyone on Android criticizing the iPhone's 256 mb RAM needs to do some reading. All android versions up to 2.1 can only address 256 of RAM, same as the iPhone. Also, what does RAM amount have to do with processing power?

 

[mbell75]

How's that possible? I thought Android (pre-froyo) cannot address more then 256 MB of RAM, so that shouldn't be any difference.

Dunno, but I just did this again yesterday with my friends iPhone. If you flick scroll hard on a long webpage with tons of text and graphics, you get that ugly checkerboard. I even get it on my iPad. Never get it on my Evo, even on the same pages. I should make a video with my iPad and Evo to show what I am talking about.

 

[Dammit Cubs]

Dunno, but I just did this again yesterday with my friends iPhone. If you flick scroll hard on a long webpage with tons of text and graphics, you get that ugly checkerboard. I even get it on my iPad. Never get it on my Evo, even on the same pages. I should make a video with my iPad and Evo to show what I am talking about.

YEah you don't get it with the evo, but what I'm noticing is if you go a website, like a message board with tons of pics, it bogs down.

I would rather have a checkerboard on places you aren't reading. It makes no sense to have it displayed when its not even being displayed on the screen.

Android scrolls slow because it's a virtual java environment on top of linux. It also does not use the GPU for most of the GUI animations so the CPU has to take up that burden as well. The iPhone on the other hand uses native code with no intermediate layer and uses a relatively powerful GPU for many of the animations. This is why scrolling and other things are slower, and will probably continue to be slower, on Android.

That explains alot now. I had a feeling it wasn't the touchscreen hardware, it had to do be a software issue or preference set by google. I noticed that google navigation had the best touchscreen responsiveness by far. That small lag, is something i can't stand sometimes and just shows how polished the iphone is.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Yea. Remember when the 3G came out? And it had battery issues, light leakage issues and dust under the screen? Yea...

This is, of course, irrelevant. Companies are supposed to learn from past actions and the past actions of their competitors. You're equating problems on a brand new state of the art phone with a two year old one?

 

[ViViDboarder]

This is, of course, irrelevant. Companies are supposed to learn from past actions and the past actions of their competitors. You're equating problems on a brand new state of the art phone with a two year old one?

Happend for the 3G and 3Gs. I'm just saying there is no such thing as a 100% effective quality control system coming out of the warehouse.

There will always be devices with issues. The real quality control comes in how the companies work with the customers to make the proper exchanges.

Look at the new iMacs. They had lots of issues. Apple took the initiative to allow exchanges and free fixes. Now there are plenty of happy customers.

Even if these issues are nailed down to 0.1% of all handsets suffering, you're going to see a lot of posts online about light leaks and other ailments.

 

[mbell75]

YEah you don't get it with the evo, but what I'm noticing is if you go a website, like a message board with tons of pics, it bogs down.

I would rather have a checkerboard on places you aren't reading. It makes no sense to have it displayed when its not even being displayed on the screen.

I just tried, I dont see it. Bogs down how exactly?

 

[Dammit Cubs]

I just tried, I dont see it. Bogs down how exactly?

Find a crazy pictures site with like 100 photos in one page. Noticed that iPhone doesn't have as many problems as the iPhone.

To remedy this, I used opera mini. The servers did all the grunt work

 

[mbell75]

Find a crazy pictures site with like 100 photos in one page. Noticed that iPhone doesn't have as many problems as the iPhone.

To remedy this, I used opera mini. The servers did all the grunt work

I went on a site that is death to any iPhone and alot of others too, showgirlzexclusive.com (NSFW content) It has TONS of flash and tons of pics right on the mainpage. Took 16 seconds to fully load on my Evo with the default browser over 3G. It was a bit slow navigating it but it handled it very well.

 

[Lava Lamp Freak]

I went on a site that is death to any iPhone and alot of others too, showgirlzexclusive.com (NSFW content) It has TONS of flash and tons of pics right on the mainpage. Took 16 seconds to fully load on my Evo with the default browser over 3G. It was a bit slow navigating it but it handled it very well.

My experience has been, as well, that sites my iPhone couldn't handle load quickly on the Evo. I've had so many unintentional clicks of links on my iPhone just trying to scroll a page that was was loading slowly, it drove me crazy. So far, the Evo hasn't had a problem with a single web page I've visited, including Flash sites. Everything loads fast, and I've not had a single unintentional link click.

Hmm. "Click" doesn't seem like the right word referring to a phone. Link select? Link follow?

 

[phrint]

By all means, point out exactly what is illogical. As for the defensive part, lol, it's damn hard to be defensive about this topic when I currently am deciding between the two phones and own neither. But thanks for playing!

The original conversation was around cost of storage between the iPhone and EVO. You dropped in additional specs and attached a non-existent monetary value to them. Therefore, the conversation went to specs again which had absolutely nothing to do with the original topic. You sound like an EVO defender and that your choice has already been made.

Your welcome and I will play anytime.