[Merged] HTC Evo 4G / Supersonic / Sprint Evo

[apple.pseudofan]

Just played with an EVO

Someone I work with just brought their EVO to me to show it off. He is impatient because the EVO is out and the iPhone 4 is two weeks away. (3gs in his pocket)

Quick impressions:
The laggy, jumpy scrolling and lack of responsiveness with the touchscreen interface is beyond annoying. As others have said, more of an Android issue than an EVO one, but unacceptable nonetheless. My 3G has smoother OS navigation than does the latest, greatest, hottest EVO. Not to mention, the 3GS, which is much faster and smoother than the 3G. This, in fact, is the number 1 reason for me to upgrade my 3G. A faster experience. Quicker at accomplishing tasks, quicker switching from one task to another. iPhone 4 will be so far ahead of what I have it isn't even funny.

The EVO, and Android in general, is a step back. It isn't a smooth interface. Apple will continue it's success because of how they have optimized the combination of capacitive touch and multi touch within the OS. It is beautiful. Sure, sometimes the processor bogs down on my3G (Again, this is why I am buying a 4), but it still has seamlessly integrated this technology to create a much more enjoyable experience.

I don't care about specs, the iPhone 4, even lower specced than the EVO, will be a much more impressive phone.

 

[ViViDboarder]

Someone I work with just brought their EVO to me to show it off. He is impatient because the EVO is out and the iPhone 4 is two weeks away. (3gs in his pocket)

Quick impressions:
The laggy, jumpy scrolling and lack of responsiveness with the touchscreen interface is beyond annoying. As others have said, more of an Android issue than an EVO one, but unacceptable nonetheless. My 3G has smoother OS navigation than does the latest, greatest, hottest EVO. Not to mention, the 3GS, which is much faster and smoother than the 3G. This, in fact, is the number 1 reason for me to upgrade my 3G. A faster experience. Quicker at accomplishing tasks, quicker switching from one task to another. iPhone 4 will be so far ahead of what I have it isn't even funny.

The EVO, and Android in general, is a step back. It isn't a smooth interface. Apple will continue it's success because of how they have optimized the combination of capacitive touch and multi touch within the OS. It is beautiful. Sure, sometimes the processor bogs down on my3G (Again, this is why I am buying a 4), but it still has seamlessly integrated this technology to create a much more enjoyable experience.

I don't care about specs, the iPhone 4, even lower specced than the EVO, will be a much more impressive phone.

Interesting. Most videos I've seen show pretty quick navigation. Just as quick as my iPhone 3G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqjFeRr5mc0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLaNB8_mr6k&feature=related

But what can you do... Haters gonna hate.

 

[truciet]

Someone I work with just brought their EVO to me to show it off. He is impatient because the EVO is out and the iPhone 4 is two weeks away. (3gs in his pocket)

Quick impressions:
The laggy, jumpy scrolling and lack of responsiveness with the touchscreen interface is beyond annoying. As others have said, more of an Android issue than an EVO one, but unacceptable nonetheless. My 3G has smoother OS navigation than does the latest, greatest, hottest EVO. Not to mention, the 3GS, which is much faster and smoother than the 3G. This, in fact, is the number 1 reason for me to upgrade my 3G. A faster experience. Quicker at accomplishing tasks, quicker switching from one task to another. iPhone 4 will be so far ahead of what I have it isn't even funny.

The EVO, and Android in general, is a step back. It isn't a smooth interface. Apple will continue it's success because of how they have optimized the combination of capacitive touch and multi touch within the OS. It is beautiful. Sure, sometimes the processor bogs down on my3G (Again, this is why I am buying a 4), but it still has seamlessly integrated this technology to create a much more enjoyable experience.

I don't care about specs, the iPhone 4, even lower specced than the EVO, will be a much more impressive phone.

Be careful with words or else you'll get attacked

Also, the iPhone 4 isn't lower spec'ed. Only downside is smaller screen but the dpi makes up for it so its a wash. I would say they're perfectly equal with their own counters.

Interesting. Most videos I've seen show pretty quick navigation. Just as quick as my iPhone 3G.

The scrolling is pretty bad compared to the iPhone. He meant like navigation wise. Surf the web on your 3G and scroll up and down. It's smooth as butter where as the EVO is "jerky"

 

[ViViDboarder]

The scrolling is pretty bad compared to the iPhone. He meant like navigation wise. Surf the web on your 3G and scroll up and down. It's smooth as butter where as the EVO is "jerky"

Well, I'm not selling my iPhone 3G. So when I get my EVO I can do a side by side comparison and post some info.

There's more about the EVO I like over the iPhone that a little stutter in the scrolling isn't going to pain me even if it does exist.

 

[mbell75]

Quick impressions:
The laggy, jumpy scrolling and lack of responsiveness with the touchscreen interface is beyond annoying. As others have said, more of an Android issue than an EVO one, but unacceptable nonetheless. My 3G has smoother OS navigation than does the latest, greatest, hottest EVO. Not to mention, the 3GS, which is much faster and smoother than the 3G. This, in fact, is the number 1 reason for me to upgrade my 3G. A faster experience. Quicker at accomplishing tasks, quicker switching from one task to another. iPhone 4 will be so far ahead of what I have it isn't even funny.

Dont know how many times I have to say this, but here it goes again. The Evo has HTC Sense over the standard Android OS. Sense is awesome to look at with all its animations and such but its also a very graphics heavy program. The iPhone OS is VERY light, it does nothing. No live wallpapers, no animations, no live widgets that update weather, sports scores, Twitter updates etc...nothing. Its just a basic background with rows of buttons that launch programs, thats it. Of course its going to run smoother swapping between screens, its basic.

Having said that, if you turn Sense off on the Evo and compare it with the iPhone, its no comparison at all, the Evo is lightning fast. Most people are like me, I am willing to put up with a split second stutter from time to time to have Sense and its highly customizable UI, animations and all the other fun stuff it comes with. The default browser isnt the best on Android and Safari sure has it beat, but browsers like Dolphin HD offer a much better alternative.

Also, the iPhone 4 isn't lower spec'ed. Only downside is smaller screen but the dpi makes up for it so its a wash. I would say they're perfectly equal with their own counters.

Yes, the iPhone is lower spec'd. It has 256MB RAM, the Evo has 512MB and I seriously doubt the A4 processor is truly 1ghz, my Evo consistantly beats my iPad loading up the same websites.

 

[milk242]

The iPhone 3G stutters a lot. When I use my wifes 3G it blows but when I use my 3GS, it's smooth as butter. I would equate my android stuttering somewhere in-between the two. Porbably when froyo comes out it'll be smoother due to jit

 

[truciet]

Dont know how many times I have to say this, but here it goes again. The Evo has HTC Sense over the standard Android OS. Sense is awesome to look at with all its animations and such but its also a very graphics heavy program. The iPhone OS is VERY light, it does nothing. No live wallpapers, no animations, no live widgets that update weather, sports scores, Twitter updates etc...nothing. Its just a basic background with rows of buttons that launch programs, thats it. Of course its going to run smoother swapping between screens, its basic.

Having said that, if you turn Sense off on the Evo and compare it with the iPhone, its no comparison at all, the Evo is lightning fast. Most people are like me, I am willing to put up with a split second stutter from time to time to have Sense and its highly customizable UI, animations and all the other fun stuff it comes with. The default browser isnt the best on Android and Safari sure has it beat, but browsers like Dolphin HD offer a much better alternative.

Sorry I have to disagree. Even with live weather, live weather icon, quicktweet, and a bunch of apps in the background on the iPhone, it does not "jerk."

Also remember when you have your browser open, it is the ONLY thing on the screen. I can have pandora, aim, facebook, twitter, and more running in the background and have safari open scrolling smooth as butter. I can do this with the 3G and 3GS. The iPhone 4 will have no problem of course obviously due to better A4 chip.

Yes, the iPhone is lower spec'd. It has 256MB RAM, the Evo has 512MB and I seriously doubt the A4 processor is truly 1ghz, my Evo consistantly beats it loading up the same websites.

You do not know exactly how much ram it has or the clock speed of the A4. Browser speed will always vary regardless. Some videos show it beat the 3GS some videos show it LOSING to the 3G. Again it will always vary.

Also you can't even compare spec for spec. A huge example would be the 8mp in the EVO vs the 5mp in the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 trashes the EVO. It's been reviewed that the EVO takes decent pictures but not great either.

Edit: Noticed you put iPad lol so I don't have an answer for that...

 

[mikethebigo]

Dunno, but I just did this again yesterday with my friends iPhone. If you flick scroll hard on a long webpage with tons of text and graphics, you get that ugly checkerboard. I even get it on my iPad. Never get it on my Evo, even on the same pages. I should make a video with my iPad and Evo to show what I am talking about.

The checkerboard has absolutely nothing to do with RAM. It has to do with how Apple decided to work out browsing with limited processing power. When you get past a certain point, the phone loads the next part of the page, and you have to wait for the checkerboard to disappear (note how smooth the scrolling stays though). With android, it's also loading, but it sacrifices smooth scrolling for continuous scrolling. Different strokes for different folks, and I do think it's cool that on a page like engadget you can scroll further, faster, without the checkerboard on android. I'm still getting iPhone 4 though, because the iPhone is simply a more mature and smooth platform at this point. I'm watching android very, very closely though.

 

[mbell75]

The checkerboard has absolutely nothing to do with RAM. It has to do with how Apple decided to work out browsing with limited processing power. When you get past a certain point, the phone loads the next part of the page, and you have to wait for the checkerboard to disappear (note how smooth the scrolling stays though). With android, it's also loading, but it sacrifices smooth scrolling for continuous scrolling. Different strokes for different folks, and I do think it's cool that on a page like engadget you can scroll further, faster, without the checkerboard on android. I'm still getting iPhone 4 though, because the iPhone is simply a more mature and smooth platform at this point. I'm watching android very, very closely though.

Ah ok, thanks. Just did a speed test with my iPad vs Evo on my wifi here at home and it was pretty even. One HUGE advantage though is Evo's ability to format text when you zoom in on a page with lots of text. On the iPad, you have to move back and forth and all over the page to read it once zoomed in which is highly annoying.

 

[mikethebigo]

Ah ok, thanks. Just did a speed test with my iPad vs Evo on my wifi here at home and it was pretty even. One HUGE advantage though is Evo's ability to format text when you zoom in on a page with lots of text. On the iPad, you have to move back and forth and all over the page to read it once zoomed in which is highly annoying.

Yeah, it's even worse on the iPhone. I wish I could get it to reformat web pages to text wrap like Android does.

 

[ksmith80209]

Engadget is "reporting" that the Sprint is getting ready to cap data/month just like AT&T. I wonder if this will sway people one way or another...

 

[ViViDboarder]

Yeah, it's even worse on the iPhone. I wish I could get it to reformat web pages to text wrap like Android does.

I think Opera Mini does. Sometimes I use Opera Mini for reading news and such. I also have it set to super compress the images so I can focus on text and download faster when on Edge...

Or that's what I'm doing for now until my EVO gets here.

 

[Nicksd84]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/11/sprint-to-begin-throttling-data-this-summer/

You know the fine print of your EVO 4G contract that gives Sprint the right to limit throughput speeds without notice? Skipped past that part? Well, consider this your unofficial notice. If what we're reading above is accurate, then Sprint appears ready to introduce data throttling this summer. Where and how are the big questions. The image above received from a tipster appears to have been grabbed from Sprint's own "The Playbook," though we have no way of confirming that at this time. It certainly make sense though given T-Mobile USA's recent move away from overage charges in favor of throttling.

 

[ViViDboarder]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/11/sprint-to-begin-throttling-data-this-summer/

So if I don't pay for data tethering they'll throttle me when I hit some huge number that I probably won't hit?

Fine with me. Still won't get any overage charges.

 

[Nicksd84]

^^^^
Ehhh... nothing's confirmed. Just pointing it out that they might start throttling the 4G service even before it's readily available. We'll see what actually happens. Seems like all the telcos were and still are unprepared for the onslaught that data intensive phones bring.

 

[GfPQqmcRKUvP]

Dont know how many times I have to say this, but here it goes again. The Evo has HTC Sense over the standard Android OS. Sense is awesome to look at with all its animations and such but its also a very graphics heavy program. The iPhone OS is VERY light, it does nothing. No live wallpapers, no animations, no live widgets that update weather, sports scores, Twitter updates etc...nothing. Its just a basic background with rows of buttons that launch programs, thats it. Of course its going to run smoother swapping between screens, its basic.
Having said that, if you turn Sense off on the Evo and compare it with the iPhone, its no comparison at all, the Evo is lightning fast.

Nope. I have a Nexus One without live wallpaper, without sense, without live widgets, without anything. The scrolling is still far smoother on the 3GS.

 

[corriewf]

The phone is way too stuttery when scrolling, zooming, and navigating the home screens. This doesn't seem to be an android or htc sense issue as the incredible doesn't have this problem. It has to be this 30fps cap on the evo. Yea in video 30fps is not bad, but in a gui, it is bad.

 

[mbell75]

The phone is way too stuttery when scrolling, zooming, and navigating the home screens. This doesn't seem to be an android or htc sense issue as the incredible doesn't have this problem. It has to be this 30fps cap on the evo. Yea in video 30fps is not bad, but in a gui, it is bad.

BS. I just made a video with my iPad and Evo including pinch/zooming and scrolling in the browser. The Evo did it BETTER than the iPad. Why? As I mentioned, the iPad/iPhone do not reformat text when you zoom in. So you have to scroll back and forth and up and down to read text. The Evo reformats it so you dont and there is no stuttering or jumping at all. Posting it up to Youtube in a few.

 

[corriewf]

BS. I just made a video with my iPad and Evo including pinch/zooming and scrolling in the browser. The Evo did it BETTER than the iPad. Why? As I mentioned, the iPad/iPhone do not reformat text when you zoom in. So you have to scroll back and forth and up and down to read text. The Evo reformats it so you dont and there is no stuttering or jumping at all. Posting it up to Youtube in a few.

What?!?! I am using an iPad right now and can tell you it is way smoother. Please pretty please link your video here.

On another note unrelated to stutter, the zoom on text wrap whatever it's called feature is very nice. For a phone it's great. With that said, I have never had to zoom on my iPad to read text nor had to move the screen side to side to read. The screen size is the difference. The iPhone definitely needs the feature though.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Engadget is "reporting" that the Sprint is getting ready to cap data/month just like AT&T. I wonder if this will sway people one way or another...

Wrong , They are talking of throttling the data and most likely it would only be on their 3G network and the 4G/Wimax will still be all you can eat unlimited data.

Sprint already does this for their 3G/4G dual mode data cards 3G cap on those cards is 5GB while the 4G is unlimited.

 

[irwinm]

A huge example would be the 8mp in the EVO vs the 5mp in the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 trashes the EVO. It's been reviewed that the EVO takes decent pictures but not great either.

Can someone point me to an actual neutral party comparison of the iPhone4 and EVO cameras? I did not know anyone had an iPhone 4 yet for testing purposes...

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

The original conversation was around cost of storage between the iPhone and EVO. You dropped in additional specs and attached a non-existent monetary value to them. Therefore, the conversation went to specs again which had absolutely nothing to do with the original topic. You sound like an EVO defender and that your choice has already been made.

Not at all. In fact, I might even be leaning towards the iPhone 4. However, that doesn't mean I stick my head in the sand and ignore what things competitors do that is superior. Nor do I ignore total cost of ownership and only look at the purchase price of a certain threshold of memory. And then drag erroneous things into the conversation like a need for a bigger battery that I never will have on top of it.

 

[mbell75]

What?!?! I am using an iPad right now and can tell you it is way smoother. Please pretty please link your video here.

When online, the scrolling on the iPad is smoother because its just zooming in. The Evo is zooming in AND reformatting the text to fit the screen, of course its going to "stutter" for a split second as it reformats the text. If all it was doing was zooming in like the iPad/iPhone, it would be just as smooth. You will see in the video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH5GlTbo2bg

 

[austinjw]

When online, the scrolling on the iPad is smoother because its just zooming in. The Evo is zooming in AND reformatting the text to fit the screen, of course its going to "stutter" for a split second as it reformats the text. If all it was doing was zooming in like the iPad/iPhone, it would be just as smooth. You will see in the video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH5GlTbo2bg

Thanks for the video, I've been trying to find a good comparison video between the evo and the ipad on youtube for a while, and that's the first good one I've seen. Both devices are pretty amazing at web browsing. The competition between Google and Apple is turning out to be amazing for the consumer.

 

[kdarling]

The Evo is zooming in AND reformatting the text to fit the screen...

Auto text wrap. All desktop browsers normally do this if you resize a window, and many mobile ones do as well. It's even better when a browser allows turning it on or off.

If you're on a laptop, try it now on MacRumors. Resize your browser window and all the posts and non-hardcoded-size text area rewrap so they're readable without side scrolling. It's the way that HTML was meant to be displayed.

IOS Safari instead always hardformats the screen as if you were on a huge screen. It pretends that you're not on a mobile device.