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[Merged] HTC Evo 4G / Supersonic / Sprint Evo
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Thanks for the video.
Come on HTC, make a tablet running Android. Include a kickstand and a front facing camera, then I'll be all over it.
EVO observations
Been playing with the EVO 4G while waiting to order the iPhone 4G. Some observations:
1. When used as a HotSpot, the "client" downloads much slower than the "host." Anyone else seeing that?
2. Many overlaps in apps available on both platforms but there are some EVO apps that make me jealous including GPS Status, Winds of Steel, Sprint TV, Sprint Navigator, and Live Wallpaper like the aniPet Koi Pond.
3. Wish the battery lasted longer. With mixed use, I get about 5 hours. Since it's removable, I suppose you can get a second battery and have them both charged up and ready for a long day -- a tactic I used with the Sprint 4G Overdrive portable hotspot.
Been playing with the EVO 4G while waiting to order the iPhone 4G. Some observations:
1. When used as a HotSpot, the "client" downloads much slower than the "host." Anyone else seeing that?
2. Many overlaps in apps available on both platforms but there are some EVO apps that make me jealous including GPS Status, Winds of Steel, Sprint TV, Sprint Navigator, and Live Wallpaper like the aniPet Koi Pond.
3. Wish the battery lasted longer. With mixed use, I get about 5 hours. Since it's removable, I suppose you can get a second battery and have them both charged up and ready for a long day -- a tactic I used with the Sprint 4G Overdrive portable hotspot.
I've just installed that on my N1 and it is one beautiful live wallpaper! My daughter loves feeding them too.
Thanks for the heads up.
Could anyone comment on a rooted evo that enables free mobile hotspot? That seems like a HUGE plus
It seems like the evo 4g keeps getting one problem after another.
Headphone jack issues, poor wifi reception, 30FPS cap, improperly grounded touchscreen, etc...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700678
I was seriously considering getting one because of a pretty good deal I found-
15% Discount Monthly Recurring Fees
Waived Activation Fee
Free Shipping
$50.00 Credit to New Accounts (you must use the promo code provided in the "Click for Link" window).
If you order your HTC EVO through studentrate.com you will be receiving an additional $25.00.
I went to the sprint store the other day and played with one and really loved the screen size, but all these issues are not inspiring confidence. HTC needs to get its act together. Plus, I am in a 4g covered area, even though the signal/actual speed/building penetration doesn't seem to be very good from what I read. My entire family has the iphone and they all complain about the terrible service/dropped calls, which is the only reason I'm considering android phones.
Headphone jack issues, poor wifi reception, 30FPS cap, improperly grounded touchscreen, etc...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700678
I was seriously considering getting one because of a pretty good deal I found-
15% Discount Monthly Recurring Fees
Waived Activation Fee
Free Shipping
$50.00 Credit to New Accounts (you must use the promo code provided in the "Click for Link" window).
If you order your HTC EVO through studentrate.com you will be receiving an additional $25.00.
I went to the sprint store the other day and played with one and really loved the screen size, but all these issues are not inspiring confidence. HTC needs to get its act together. Plus, I am in a 4g covered area, even though the signal/actual speed/building penetration doesn't seem to be very good from what I read. My entire family has the iphone and they all complain about the terrible service/dropped calls, which is the only reason I'm considering android phones.
First off, buying the 1st gen of any device and expecting it to work perfectly is silly. Most people know there will be bugs and issues. Having said that, the number of people reporting problems is very small compared to number of units sold. I have had none of those issues and neither had any people I personally know who have the Evo. Its like these Mac forums. If you go thru them, you would never buy a Mac. Most of the posts are about things not working properly or breaking. Thats because people with no issues arent going to get on a board and post, people with problems are though.
"The A4 processor is rumored to be 1GHz."
It is 1GHz, it states it on the specs page for the iPad.
The video on the Youtube app started about 1/2 second sooner than the Evo.
The iPad loaded the first website 7-8 seconds quicker than the Evo. Also, if you double-tap the text you want to read, on most websites, it zooms it to fit the screen properly.
You assume if the Evo didn't have to wrap the text, it would zoom as smooth as the iPhone and iPad, you can't just assume. Figure out a way to disable text wrapping and then try it.
That second website with "the animation moving around" was loaded 5 seconds faster on the iPad than the Evo. It doesn't matter if that second animation is moving or not on the iPad, it still had to load the whole animation file, even if it's not moving.
"Youtube was about even" - pretty much, the iPad was a tiny bit faster, pretty negligible.
"The iPad loaded websites a second or two faster" - No. Your video clearly shows them loading 5-8 seconds faster than the Evo.
"Froyo, Android 2.2, is going to be faster. iPhone 4.0 is supposed to be faster" - So you take the accounts of the few people who have used Froyo that it is faster, but there are plenty of accounts from developers running 4.0 stating that it is faster across all devices (even on the 400Mhz, 128MB RAM iPhone 3G) and say it's "supposed" to be faster.
No, this video isn't biased
"The A4 processor is rumored to be 1GHz."
It is 1GHz, it states it on the specs page for the iPad.
The video on the Youtube app started about 1/2 second sooner than the Evo.
The iPad loaded the first website 7-8 seconds quicker than the Evo. Also, if you double-tap the text you want to read, on most websites, it zooms it to fit the screen properly.
You assume if the Evo didn't have to wrap the text, it would zoom as smooth as the iPhone and iPad, you can't just assume. Figure out a way to disable text wrapping and then try it.
That second website with "the animation moving around" was loaded 5 seconds faster on the iPad than the Evo. It doesn't matter if that second animation is moving or not on the iPad, it still had to load the whole animation file, even if it's not moving.
"Youtube was about even" - pretty much, the iPad was a tiny bit faster, pretty negligible.
"The iPad loaded websites a second or two faster" - No. Your video clearly shows them loading 5-8 seconds faster than the Evo.
"Froyo, Android 2.2, is going to be faster. iPhone 4.0 is supposed to be faster" - So you take the accounts of the few people who have used Froyo that it is faster, but there are plenty of accounts from developers running 4.0 stating that it is faster across all devices (even on the 400Mhz, 128MB RAM iPhone 3G) and say it's "supposed" to be faster.
No, this video isn't biased
+1
And while you're at it, how about you show the scrolling in the app drawer on the Evo? Or the menus? Or between homescreens? That certainly isn't laggy at all compared to the iPhone, right? That would just be silly.
I watched a bit of the video, but it was clear which side it was leaning to, regardless of the results of all the tests.
Also, I found it a bit funny when he quickly scrolled up and down on that first website in an attempt to try and show the checkerboard.
EDIT: Watched the rest, laughed out loud when he went out of his to try REALLY hard to make the checkerboard appear for that 1/4 of a second and characterized it as annoying.
Also, I found it a bit funny when he quickly scrolled up and down on that first website in an attempt to try and show the checkerboard.
EDIT: Watched the rest, laughed out loud when he went out of his to try REALLY hard to make the checkerboard appear for that 1/4 of a second and characterized it as annoying.
All lies. Engaged updated the article, it turns out that what was in the playback was taken out of context, and that data capping is an optional feature for business issuing data cards or plans to their employees. Sprint isn't planning an AT&T style data cap.
To me it seems pointless to turn the iPhone vs Evo debate into which one has smoother scrolling. I can see the difference in the frame rate on my Evo in scrolling, but it doesn't lock up loading pages, while my iPhone 3G does. No doubt that the iPhone 4 will fix that since it has the A4 processor, but the things my Evo does that made me decide to stick with it instead of going with the iPhone 4 trump an insignificant difference in the frame rate while scrolling. For starters, the iPhone screen is small compared to the Evo, and combined with the text reflowing, the web browsing experience is much better on the Evo than the iPhone.
True. Yes, thats just for starters. If we want to go in depth looking at advantages of one over the other, lets start. These are just off the top of my head too. Feel free to add to the list.
Evo advantages over iPhone
4G
Flash
Google maps with navigation
No cap on 4G data (2GB max on AT&T's 3G)
Notification system
Widgets
Live wallpapers
Hotspot for 8 other devices
Free tethering (Froyo)
Speech to text on every keyboard screen
Video chat over 3G/4G (Wifi only for iPhone)
Screen size
Open and fully customizable OS
Removable memory
Removable battery
Double the RAM (256MB vs 512MB)
HDMI out
...while the only iPhone pros over the Evo are...
Apps
Syncing
Smoother interface (debatable)
and more accessories?
Not even close
can people not use free tethering as a positive. yes, 2.2 has free tethering but you don't have 2.2 and you probably won't for 4 months if you look at HTC track record.
also, if you think carriers won't block the.tethering function then are smoking crack. sprint will not allow such a ridiculous feature when they want to charge you 30 for their WiFi hotspots.
seriously guys....
also, if you think carriers won't block the.tethering function then are smoking crack. sprint will not allow such a ridiculous feature when they want to charge you 30 for their WiFi hotspots.
seriously guys....
Yea, it's no more a free feature as jailbreaking your phone and doing it.
What it has over the iPhone is that it's 4G tethering, although only that in specific areas.
That said, there are other reasons why some may prefer it.
You want to talk about track records for updates? Phone comes out, 4 months later, new OS with all kinds of benefits. How about Apple? Once a year. I get bored way too fast.
Seriously? I had Toast's Froyo ROM on my phone two nights ago to try it out and its awesome. Who waits for HTC/Sprint? haha. Only things not working are the camera, 4G and MMS. 4 months? One of the devs will have a fully working Froyo ROM within a month, guaranteed. Oh, and Sprint has already said they will not remove the native tethering from Froyo. You should try reading up on things more
True. Yes, thats just for starters. If we want to go in depth looking at advantages of one over the other, lets start. These are just off the top of my head too. Feel free to add to the list.
Evo advantages over iPhone
4G
Flash
Google maps with navigation
No cap on 4G data (2GB max on AT&T's 3G)
Notification system
Widgets
Live wallpapers
Hotspot for 8 other devices
Free tethering (Froyo)
Speech to text on every keyboard screen
Video chat over 3G/4G (Wifi only for iPhone)
Screen size
Open and fully customizable OS
Removable memory
Removable battery
Double the RAM (256MB vs 512MB)
HDMI out
...while the only iPhone pros over the Evo are...
Apps
Syncing
Smoother interface (debatable)
and more accessories?
Not even close
Then why am I choosing an iPhone 4 over the EVO? I'm logical, I understand technology, and I've had no problems switching OS's and platforms in the past.
True. Yes, thats just for starters. If we want to go in depth looking at advantages of one over the other, lets start. These are just off the top of my head too. Feel free to add to the list.
Evo advantages over iPhone
4G
Flash
Google maps with navigation
No cap on 4G data (2GB max on AT&T's 3G)
Notification system
Widgets
Live wallpapers
Hotspot for 8 other devices
Free tethering (Froyo)
Speech to text on every keyboard screen
Video chat over 3G/4G (Wifi only for iPhone)
Screen size
Open and fully customizable OS
Removable memory
Removable battery
Double the RAM (256MB vs 512MB)
HDMI out
...while the only iPhone pros over the Evo are...
Apps
Syncing
Smoother interface (debatable)
and more accessories?
Not even close
Dude you're just as hard headed as ever...
Apple Pro's
Better OS updates and polished
Better display
Better camera/video
Better multi-touch GUI
Better battery life
Better construction
Better video chat (front/rear camera are OPEN API...skype, AIM, Beejive soon)
Better Cortex chip due to A4
etc etc
These are just top of my head. And there you go again with the ram. Stop being a typical fanboy...
BOTH OS's are great. You're spreading more OPINIONS than anything...
Edit: I give up. This thread turned pointless. Nothing but fanboys trying to defend THEIR purchases but can't accept OTHER'S for what they purchased. Grow up people...
Dude you're just as hard headed as ever...
Apple Pro's
Better OS updates and polished 1 update a year? Really?
Better display slightly better resolution but the screen is 8 inches smaller, so not as effective
Better camera/video Have you seen any photos or video shot with it yet? We'll see
Better multi-touch GUI I will give you that
Better battery life Until it dies and you cant replace it. Evo can swap in bigger batteries and get better results than the iPhone
Better construction Huh? The iphone shattered when dropped from 3 feet. I have dropped my Evo twice from over 4 and I havent even scratched my screen
Better video chat (front/rear camera are OPEN API...skype, AIM, Beejive soon) Too bad its only over wifi which is pointless
Better Cortex chip due to A4 A4 has no clear advantages over the Snapdragon
etc etc
These are just top of my head. And there you go again with the ram. Stop being a typical fanboy...
BOTH OS's are great. You're spreading more OPINIONS than anything...
Edit: I give up. This thread turned pointless. Nothing but fanboys trying to defend THEIR purchases but can't accept OTHER'S for what they purchased. Grow up people...
My replies in bold
Had the Evo for a few days now don't know if I'll be keeping it. There's a high chance I will. What I noticed is the scrolling is smooth but not with certain Live Wallpapers. Some of the Live Wallpapers I've used can make the phone scrolling choppy. I don't care for the Live Wallpapers anyways and the ones I do like don't make scrolling laggy. The battery life isn't bad at all and can last me a whole day. I do hate when I see Android fanboys post about their phone lasting for 20+hr with a picture of the battery information screen that only shows they did a lot of things on their phone except actually talked on it. I always see voice calls missing from their screen shot. My phone has been off the charger for 12hrs already and I have 48% battery life. I talked on my phone for 20mins, Wifi for 30mins, took a few pics, installed a few apps, and read a few emails and text. Not bad at all.
You know, I went and looked at the EVO and Incredible today.
If I were to go android, I'd go with the incredible.
1. The android had a better form. I'm sorry, but the EVO is just too frikkin big and it is quite obvious that they can't do much to make it smaller at least width wise (it didn't have too much extra around the screen). I can't imagine some one who wanted to carry his phone in his pocket wanting to have that thing in his pocket and even my purse it would not fit so well.
Yeah, you get a bigger screen. But when we're talkign about a device that is supposed to be small and not too obtrusive, that thing is very obtrusive. I expect the screen on my smart phone is going to be a compromise so that it is sized more like a cellphone. You need size and less portability, get an ipad. That's a lot more useful screen space than the EVO's. Honestly, I think Apple found the sweet spot between not being too small you sacrifice too much while still having a size that it functions well as a cellphone (fits easily in pockets/purses and holds in your hand comfortabley to hold up to your ear and talk).
2. It's not as if I saw a big difference in speed between the two honestly. Even with Sprint's 4G.
3. Sprint. I know the EVO can't help it, but hell if I'm going with them. Sorry, even if the iphone was there (and that's my preferred phone), I'd be hard pressed to sign up a contract with them. This would be the scenario I'd start considering Android most likely (if Sprint became the only iphone carrier). You know, the Verizon rep was telling me they get the most customers changing networks from Sprint cause of bad coverage (I guess it hasn't changed since when my parents had it and I had to ask them to call me on landline cause I never could understand them when they were on their cellphone).
Oh, and I have to say, I hope android fixes their camera app. For now, the lag between when you tell it to take a picture and whne it actually does is horrendous. It doesn't make it a very useful camera at all, I don't care how many mega pixels it has.
Yes, my 3G *used* to have this problem. Apple fixed it when they brought out the 3GS. While it's still not comparable to a good camera, it at least is decent that you can still usually capture what you are trying to get. The EVO (and probably other android phoens as I suspect this is more an issue of hte OS vs the phone) is so long you'd probably miss a lot of photos you're trying to take unless you are taking photos of inanimate objects or people you can tell to stay still until the picture is over. I don't care how many megapixels it has, that slow of a lag between when you press the button and it taking the picture makes it pretty useless in my opinion. I certainly considered my 3G's camera useless until they updated the software.
If I were to go android, I'd go with the incredible.
1. The android had a better form. I'm sorry, but the EVO is just too frikkin big and it is quite obvious that they can't do much to make it smaller at least width wise (it didn't have too much extra around the screen). I can't imagine some one who wanted to carry his phone in his pocket wanting to have that thing in his pocket and even my purse it would not fit so well.
Yeah, you get a bigger screen. But when we're talkign about a device that is supposed to be small and not too obtrusive, that thing is very obtrusive. I expect the screen on my smart phone is going to be a compromise so that it is sized more like a cellphone. You need size and less portability, get an ipad. That's a lot more useful screen space than the EVO's. Honestly, I think Apple found the sweet spot between not being too small you sacrifice too much while still having a size that it functions well as a cellphone (fits easily in pockets/purses and holds in your hand comfortabley to hold up to your ear and talk).
2. It's not as if I saw a big difference in speed between the two honestly. Even with Sprint's 4G.
3. Sprint. I know the EVO can't help it, but hell if I'm going with them. Sorry, even if the iphone was there (and that's my preferred phone), I'd be hard pressed to sign up a contract with them. This would be the scenario I'd start considering Android most likely (if Sprint became the only iphone carrier). You know, the Verizon rep was telling me they get the most customers changing networks from Sprint cause of bad coverage (I guess it hasn't changed since when my parents had it and I had to ask them to call me on landline cause I never could understand them when they were on their cellphone).
Oh, and I have to say, I hope android fixes their camera app. For now, the lag between when you tell it to take a picture and whne it actually does is horrendous. It doesn't make it a very useful camera at all, I don't care how many mega pixels it has.
Yes, my 3G *used* to have this problem. Apple fixed it when they brought out the 3GS. While it's still not comparable to a good camera, it at least is decent that you can still usually capture what you are trying to get. The EVO (and probably other android phoens as I suspect this is more an issue of hte OS vs the phone) is so long you'd probably miss a lot of photos you're trying to take unless you are taking photos of inanimate objects or people you can tell to stay still until the picture is over. I don't care how many megapixels it has, that slow of a lag between when you press the button and it taking the picture makes it pretty useless in my opinion. I certainly considered my 3G's camera useless until they updated the software.
My replies in bold
Not going to reply to everything:
- Quality over quantity, 1 update a year and it's still just as good, the point being moot. A million updates a year doesn't make something better.
- Wow, the iPhone has a small screen, negative sizes! (just pointing it out for your sake) plus your point is just plain personal opinion.
- Spare part iPhone was dropped 3 times. Who knows, your Evo may just break the next time (the 3rd time) You may have been lucky when you dropped it. I've dropped my iPhone 3G over half a dozen times onto hard surfaces and it's scratchless. That phone is the exception that proves the opposite.