The more and more I think about it, the less and less I think it will be released tomorrow. I'm going to order a MBP by the end of the week, though, so I certainly hope it gets released before I get mine.
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Merom Laptops Delayed Until 2007?
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A couple of comments.
If indeed MBP shipments are strong it could simply be that the last of the current crop are being pushed into the channels that have good throughput.
The C2D has been announced now in iMacs for a week or so and are SHIPPING. So the claim they are not available for MBP's is simply false. It is far more realistic that the fact it is soldered to the motherboard is the delaying factor. It has to go to an assembly plant, be packaged and reshipped back to the USA.
In the case of iMacs the initial batch can be assembled by hand by (gag) Americans by pushing a chip into a socket and closing the computer and box. Then the ones mass assembled in China or whatever can then populate the channel en masse.
I would bet on a silent update to C2D MBP when channel volume warrants and a rough estimate of that happening 3-4 weeks after iMac shipments have started. Just a guess on my part, but I have been quite right before
Rocketman
If indeed MBP shipments are strong it could simply be that the last of the current crop are being pushed into the channels that have good throughput.
The C2D has been announced now in iMacs for a week or so and are SHIPPING. So the claim they are not available for MBP's is simply false. It is far more realistic that the fact it is soldered to the motherboard is the delaying factor. It has to go to an assembly plant, be packaged and reshipped back to the USA.
In the case of iMacs the initial batch can be assembled by hand by (gag) Americans by pushing a chip into a socket and closing the computer and box. Then the ones mass assembled in China or whatever can then populate the channel en masse.
I would bet on a silent update to C2D MBP when channel volume warrants and a rough estimate of that happening 3-4 weeks after iMac shipments have started. Just a guess on my part, but I have been quite right before
Rocketman
Abraxsis said:
its merom. and you might have been right before, but not with the advent of intel macs. they are now in the position to get people to switch. showing up late with merom is just not a way to do that, bottom line. they already had the loyal mac fans before, they want switchers now.
No offense, but you have a very unrealistic view of manufacturing for a mass market. Apple would never have one proc taken out of a current model and replaced with a Meron. Doing so would cost more than the profit they would be getting. Merons didnt JUST start shipping from Intel last week, Apple has had them for months. How do you think theyre shipping the iMacs currently after the announcement? I have no doubts in my mind that Apple has the Memrons to move forward with a MBP, but they'll change the manufacturing lines, not ship current ones back and rechip them.
Rocketman said:A couple of comments.
If indeed MBP shipments are strong it could simply be that the last of the current crop are being pushed into the channels that have good throughput.
The C2D has been announced now in iMacs for a week or so and are SHIPPING. So the claim they are not available for MBP's is simply false. It is far more realistic that the fact it is soldered to the motherboard is the delaying factor. It has to go to an assembly plant, be packaged and reshipped back to the USA.
In the case of iMacs the initial batch can be assembled by hand by (gag) Americans by pushing a chip into a socket and closing the computer and box. Then the ones mass assembled in China or whatever can then populate the channel en masse.
I would bet on a silent update to C2D MBP when channel volume warrants and a rough estimate of that happening 3-4 weeks after iMac shipments have started. Just a guess on my part, but I have been quite right before
Rocketman
All I know is that I'm getting seriously impatient. I want a MEROM (not Memron - Sorry Abraxsis ) ASAP. I know a Core Duo will still beat the snot out of my lowly G4, but since Core 2 is here, I have to wait. Besides, 5-20% improvement is STILL improvement. I'll take it.
) ASAP. I know a Core Duo will still beat the snot out of my lowly G4, but since Core 2 is here, I have to wait. Besides, 5-20% improvement is STILL improvement. I'll take it. Switchers come from awesome software and an awesome OS, not a 10% boost in performance. Besides, the switcher base is initially going for cheaper iMacs and MacBooks, not a Professional level laptop. So if Apple is truly going for switchers it makes perfect logical, and financial, sense to update iMacs and Macbooks first and allocate every available Merom to those lines, not the MBP that the "loyal Mac fans" are more apt to buy.
matttrick said:
Did I hear Merom?deputy_doofy said:All I know is that I'm getting seriously impatient. I want a MEROM (not Memron - Sorry Abraxsis
Abraxsis said:
bullcrap. im a switcher. im going to mbp. and yes i want the OS and the design that apple delivers, but i will only wait so long while watching other companies roll out the new product. and take a look around the forums. im far from the only one.
merom is not just a 10% boost. it is a 64 bit processor. i dont care one bit about the small speed bump now. i care about being able to use 64 bit applications to their potential.
matttrick said:
fastlane1588 said:
I'm with these guys. I am going to be a switcher and I am going straight to the MBP. I too am looking forward to 64 bit applications. I am also hoping that AutoDesk releases AutoCad in the not to distant future. Right now I will be stuck using Bootcamp for it. But on top of this, I am hoping that Apple fixes the heat and battery life issues with the current MBP. There are still problems with heat and the battery life sucks. If I am getting ready to drop a large amount of money on a laptop, and there is a upgrade right around the corner, I am going to wait to get a cooler more energy efficient one. Your average college switcher is going to go with the cheap macs, but anyone that needs a dedicated graphics card or larger screen has no choice but to go with the MBP.
Abraxsis said:
People will come and go, but there are definitely a lot more people who have switched over to mac since they began using Intel chips.
What doesn't make sense to me is the idea of updating a consumer model machine with the latest chip technology and not updating the professional line MBP's. They're supposed to be the Pro machines, hence their name, therefore, I believe, they should act the part and be professional based, incorporated with the latest tech. MBP's in my estimation, will adopt merom in the next few weeks. It just doesn't make sense to me otherwise. Not that apple should design their business decisions based upon my conceptions.
Thats just silly, 1) PC-users want high-end machines too, 2) Loyal mac-users loyalty isn't infinte, my loyalty is lost if Apple disregard my wants and needs.Abraxsis said:
Macbook pro is professional level yes, but not just for professionals, it's for those of us that care enough about out computers that we pay for a little more, and then we expect a lot, at least as good or better CPU's than the competitors.
For what it's worth....
1st time poster, long time pc user.
Ordered through the apple store on Sept. 2nd:........
* Processor 0656275 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
* Memory 0656271 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM 2x1GB
* Hard Drive 0656268 100GB Serial ATA Drive@7200rpm
* Display 0656506 Glossy Widescreen Display
* Optical Drive 0656266 SD 8x(DVDR DL/DVD/RW/CDRW)
* Modem 0656201 No Modem
* Apple Software Solutions 0656200 No Optional Software
* Keyboard/Mac OS Language 0656273 BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
* Country Kit/AEX 0656272 Airport Extreme Card andBT
Estimated Shipped By:
SEP 08, 2006
Estimated Delivered By:
SEP 13, 2006
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on Sept. 9th I received this email from Apple:.....
Due to an unexpected delay, we were unable to ship your product(s) by
the date originally quoted to you. We now anticipate shipping the
following item(s) as follows:
Z0CP, MBPRO 17/2.16 CTO
will now ship by Sep 18, 2006
and deliver by Sep 21, 2006
We regret any inconvenience this delay may cause.
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Does this mean Core2 Duo processor upgrade in the works?.........they give me until the 18th to cancel.....I guess I'll find out tomorrow.....
please, please, please.........
1st time poster, long time pc user.
Ordered through the apple store on Sept. 2nd:........
* Processor 0656275 2.16GHz Intel Core Duo
* Memory 0656271 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM 2x1GB
* Hard Drive 0656268 100GB Serial ATA Drive@7200rpm
* Display 0656506 Glossy Widescreen Display
* Optical Drive 0656266 SD 8x(DVDR DL/DVD/RW/CDRW)
* Modem 0656201 No Modem
* Apple Software Solutions 0656200 No Optional Software
* Keyboard/Mac OS Language 0656273 BkLit Keyboard/Mac OS
* Country Kit/AEX 0656272 Airport Extreme Card andBT
Estimated Shipped By:
SEP 08, 2006
Estimated Delivered By:
SEP 13, 2006
-------------------------------------------------------------------
on Sept. 9th I received this email from Apple:.....
Due to an unexpected delay, we were unable to ship your product(s) by
the date originally quoted to you. We now anticipate shipping the
following item(s) as follows:
Z0CP, MBPRO 17/2.16 CTO
will now ship by Sep 18, 2006
and deliver by Sep 21, 2006
We regret any inconvenience this delay may cause.
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Does this mean Core2 Duo processor upgrade in the works?.........they give me until the 18th to cancel.....I guess I'll find out tomorrow.....
please, please, please.........
the omegaman said:
I hope this actually is a sign....
While we readers of MacRumors are actually the minority of Mac users, I'm hoping your delay isn't because:
a) Demand is still crazy for MBP (though, in some ways, that would be excellent)
b) You made some customizations that are just taking longer than expected.
I guess it doesn't matter anyway because with all the demand for the upcoming C2D, I'll still be waiting 6 months just for my order to ship.
deputy_doofy said:I hope this actually is a sign....
While we readers of MacRumors are actually the minority of Mac users, I'm hoping your delay isn't because:
a) Demand is still crazy for MBP (though, in some ways, that would be excellent)
b) You made some customizations that are just taking longer than expected.
I guess it doesn't matter anyway because with all the demand for the upcoming C2D, I'll still be waiting 6 months just for my order to ship.
The apple site still says 24 hr. ship time for MBP's, so this could be a good indication that something is happening on the C2D front, especially since this seems to be popping up more and more with recent MBP orders.
Pray.
HecubusPro said:The apple site still says 24 hr. ship time for MBP's, so this could be a good indication that something is happening on the C2D front, especially since this seems to be popping up more and more with recent MBP orders.
Pray.
I have a date of the 18th for my MB order and I placed it last week. The more I hear about the 18th, the more I think C2D's are on the way!!!!
Abraxsis said:
I disagree. Switchers will look at whatever system suits their needs and requirements, and many are only interested now because there's no risk -- Windows runs natively, so the Mac or whatever stripe isn't suddenly going to become an expensive paperweight if they dislike the OS or find there's something they need it can't do.
However, if the choices are the latest n' greatest with Dell/Sony/Toshiba/etc. vs an older CPU with Apple, a lot will be put off. Remember, these are people who aren't emotionally comitted to Apple and who haven't used the OS extensively -- and in all probability won't consider OS X to be massively better than XP.
The ones that aren't put off are the hard-core Apple userbase. Apple has those guys already, they want "switchers".
Finally, putting the better CPU into the consumer line first? Way to kill MBP sales even among the hard-core, and MBP will have better margins than the MacBook. That would be downright stupid.
MacBook ships in 7 days?
Not sure if this is new for you guys, but I just noticed this thread and am looking at a MacBook. The MacBook says 7 days right now, but the MacBook Pro says 24 hours, both in UK and US.
I have no idea what they normally say, but thought I'd point it out in case it means anything.
I would love to see a Core 2 Duo MacBook this week
Steve
Not sure if this is new for you guys, but I just noticed this thread and am looking at a MacBook. The MacBook says 7 days right now, but the MacBook Pro says 24 hours, both in UK and US.
I have no idea what they normally say, but thought I'd point it out in case it means anything.
I would love to see a Core 2 Duo MacBook this week
Steve
Norwegian Apple store been saying 7 days for quite som e time, 5-7 days at the US store. Apple has even stated they are looking for another plant to manufacture Macbooks due to them being unable to keep ut with demand, so I'd say the Macbook-dates is irrelevant. It still annoys me that the MBP says 24 though, thats imo the one most likely to be updated.
Apple knows how we think though, maybe they just say 24 hours just to mess with us..
Apple knows how we think though, maybe they just say 24 hours just to mess with us..
putting the lowest voltage / coolest / fastest chips in a product like the imac
but keeping the old, hotter, slower processor in the MBP
that would be utterly stupid
the books sell best
the macbook pro needs to be the most up to date/fast/cool/powersaving one
apple will DEFINATELY put the core2duo in the MBP
i mean they were ment to be high performance notebook chips
and apple switched mainly because ibm wasnt able to provide proper chips for notebooks
so why not use them now as they are available ?
but keeping the old, hotter, slower processor in the MBP
that would be utterly stupid
the books sell best
the macbook pro needs to be the most up to date/fast/cool/powersaving one
apple will DEFINATELY put the core2duo in the MBP
i mean they were ment to be high performance notebook chips
and apple switched mainly because ibm wasnt able to provide proper chips for notebooks
so why not use them now as they are available ?