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This.

Although I have to admit that I haven't tried it on a tablet or touchscreen. But when I ran it for a while it was the worst OS I have used in the 20-30 years I have been using computers.

Right after WinMe ... I cannot believe it took them so long to realize that people won't adopt W8 until they bloody stop forcing Metro on everyone. And ever tried to use Windows 2012 remotely ? Using the damn "hotspots" to open up Windows / Sidebar is just more than annoying, especially when you try to fix a damn server at 3am in the morning </rant>

But heh - 8.1 here we come :-/
 
tablet users are likely the ones who are requesting an iTunes app for the operating system, as well as users looking through Microsoft's app store within Windows 8. However, the report also note that Apple is unlikely to fulfill Microsoft's request because "there's no reason for Apple to help make the Surface a better product."

Thats not true at all. For the same reason it is in MSs interest to put Office on a Mac or iOS, sometimes you have to concede that a customer won't buy 100% of their devices from your ecosystem. In many cases there is a lot of money to be made from users that sit in the middle ground, and if you give them a good experience at the very least they may be less likely to stop using an iOS device. At best, it might provide incentive to get a Mac.

Really, the incentive is there just as it was early last decade to get iTunes onto Windows, but I can see why it isn't exactly a priority nor necessary 100% essential if a good many of the users will be catered for with the desktop app.
 
Maybe it'd help if Office for Mac wasn't a second class citizen. Sure wouldn't hurt if they put their stuff in the Mac App Store, either. Talk about a double standard.
 
Right after WinMe ... I cannot believe it took them so long to realize that people won't adopt W8 until they bloody stop forcing Metro on everyone. And ever tried to use Windows 2012 remotely ? Using the damn "hotspots" to open up Windows / Sidebar is just more than annoying, especially when you try to fix a damn server at 3am in the morning </rant>

But heh - 8.1 here we come :-/
I feel your pain, I admin a bunch o servers too, I have a lot on 2012. Your friend is classicshell.net, free and open source and will make 2012 more like 2008 in terms of the desktop interface.
 
Thats not true at all. For the same reason it is in MSs interest to put Office on a Mac or iOS, sometimes you have to concede that a customer won't buy 100% of their devices from your ecosystem. In many cases there is a lot of money to be made from users that sit in the middle ground, and if you give them a good experience at the very least they may be less likely to stop using an iOS device. At best, it might provide incentive to get a Mac.

Really, the incentive is there just as it was early last decade to get iTunes onto Windows, but I can see why it isn't exactly a priority nor necessary 100% essential if a good many of the users will be catered for with the desktop app.

Apple should be focused on making their iOS software and services better before they start thinking about porting it to other platforms. Honestly Cook & Co. should be embarrassed that people want to banish (and have banished) the stock Apple apps in favor of Google or other 3rd party apps.
 
I just love how people like you look at business decisions as personal ones. Apple not wasting their time creating an iTunes Metro app makes sense as they stand to gain very little from such a small Windows 8 user base. Microsoft on the other hand stands to gain much financially from porting Office to iOS.
If you think Apple deciding not to bother with a Windows 8 Metro version of iTunes would trigger Microsoft not to make Office for iOS then you should take a class in Business 101.

Of course it would be very profitable for Microsoft, primarily a software company, to make a version of Office for iOS. That said, it is not here, and iOS has been out since 2007. Do you not think Microsoft, a very large company, is capable of building even a strip down version of office for iOS in six years? Maybe you should take a class in Programming 101.

Reasonable Inference: MS is capable of producing Office for iOS within a few years.

Reasonable Inference: MS would reap a hefty profit from the sale of Office for iOS.

Fact: MS has not released Office for iOS.


If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

So Yes... MS is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
 
iTunes

IMO (and going a little off-topic) iTunes is in need of an overhaul. Maybe break it into several applications like in iOS.
A "Music" application for music and other audio files, a "Videos" application for movies and videos in general and so on.
It's just that iTunes is so overblown it's getting too confusing for the average user.
 
As of a while ago, Microsoft announced that they had sold 100,000,000 Win8 licenses.

Are there even that many Macs in the wild, total?

From what I hear, there are 100 million licenses sold, but only about 30-35 million of them "in the wild" delivered to customers.
 
I feel your pain, I admin a bunch o servers too, I have a lot on 2012. Your friend is classicshell.net, free and open source and will make 2012 more like 2008 in terms of the desktop interface.

Sweet, cheers. Didn't know there is a free alternative. A shame I won't be able to install that on 1200+ servers but it certainly helps for my own lab :p

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Do you have any evidence to support this claim? I'm talking numbers.

My first MacBook - which was the first Intel generation (Core2Duo/black one) was a pure Windows machine (XP) ..

My response for example ..
 
I really don't understand what is so "hard" about Windows 8, it's like people wilfully like to admit they aren't that bright

somethings may not be great, but certainly not "hard" to learn
It's not hard to learn it's just woefully unproductive. I purchased 2 licences of Windows 8 and used it for a month trying to force myself to get into it.

In the end I gave away those licenses and down-(up?)-graded to Windows 7.

Windows 8 is terribly inefficient.
 
100 millon copies of windows 8 sold to date. I bet Apple wish they could sell that many OSX copies. Oh th irony if it all.
 
I use it. Best Windows OS I have ever used. People just need to get over the change and actually learn how it works. It is then, you realise it is probably one of the best OSs around.

That doesn't mean it doesn't need improvements though. Some things are questionable but they should be cleaned up in Windows 8.1.

I so agree. I work at Geek Squad right now (one more year to I graduate Purdue) and I am so sick of people bitching about Windows 8. It's not that bad if you just learn to use it. I get 4 phone calls a day with people asking us to downgrade to 7 or how to get there start menu back. I tell they they better learn it because if they want to keep using computers, at least microsoft computers, you better get used to it because this is the path they are going

Me personally, I have Windows 8 on my Gaming Rig and it is fantastic, better performance, file transfers actually work now without hanging up, boots faster, and some of the metro apps are nice such as messages and how facebook is integrated into my contacts.

It needs improvements, but people need to try it extensively before they complain.
 
i cannot even get the itunes window to fit right in the windows 8 desktop. itunes 11 is so bad and confusing to someone who has been using itunes for as long as i can remember across both platforms that i am starting to get the urge to jump ship. anyone else feel this way? i mean its getting so bad. what happened to "it just works"?
You're not alone, I can't stand iTunes 11.
 
People actually use Windows 8?

If you learn how to bypass the Metro start screen and login directly to the desktop; Windows 8 is actually an improvement on Windows 7 in performance.

Visually it is appalling. But, like iOS, that seems to be what majority of its critics focus on.

On topic though; I couldn't care less about a tiled iTunes app for Windows 8. I use iTunes to back up my iOS devices and update iTunes Match.

I'd love to be able to stream iTunes Match and play high end games while taking advantage of my high end GPU in Windows. But, I don't mind running my MBP for music and video while I game.
 
I thought 'Metro' was just like a skin for using Windows 8 on a touchscreen device.

So you have to build two versions of an app to work on the two different parts?

That makes life a lot simpler :mad:
 
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