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Microsoft Announces Surface Book i7, Desktop PC 'Surface Studio,' and Windows 10 Creators Update

HBX said:
Seems that the philosophy of #anti-sec has started to come down over the years. Oh silly me Windows is still garbage. You know the saying "You can sugar coat **** all day, in the end it's still ****"....
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Except that it's not.
I totally respect it if you don't like Windows because you are accustomed to something else (I myself am not at home with Windows either and haven't used it on my computer for years now), but calling it "insecure, crashy garbage" in 2016 is... not even worth a good laugh.
 
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Surface Studio? Awesome concept, but $3000 starting price for something that makes my year old gaming PC laugh? Nope, ain't happening. This thing is really only of interest to those in the market for a Cintiq. That's a very limited market. I can hear Tim breathe a sigh of relief right now. This thing won't make a dent in the iMac/MacBook sales. Wacom on the other hand... they're panicking right now. Which is good.
 
ASGuy said:
Pretty good indicator something IS overpriced... It's not just price, but power... It's over priced and under powered. It's a sharp display that tries to fake you into thinking it's a workstation but it's just a really expensive computer for mom and dad.
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Well, I could be wrong but the price reflects the fact that there is nothing like it in the market.

Whether or not it's underpowered remains to be seen.

But this would make a great family PC, at least for my family. I have several creatives in my household that would love a machine like this.

It is aimed squarely at the affluent, Apple-buying market, not the build-it-yourself-hardcore-gamer PC market.

Microsoft has built an elegant machine here, and a decades-long Mac fan like myself and others are giving it a serious look.

It is expensive, no doubt. But the question is whether or not it's worth it to those that can afford it.

Clearly not to you, but to me? Yes.
 
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I don't get all the fawning over this. Looks like a miniature pizza box with a monitor on top.

Lets see how the usage reviews are - much like everyone slobbering over the Surface Book until they actually used it and discovered that hinge was an abomination.
 
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gnipgnop said:
$2299 is the high-end standard config. Add $600 for the 32 GB RAM and $250 for the better GPU. That gets you to $3149. Do you really think a touch screen that isn't pressure sensitive is going to add another $900 to the price? No way. If that were true, then MS is guaranteed to be losing money on a pressure-sensitive touch screen the size of the Surface Studio.
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No, $2300 is for the base model that is comparable to the base model Surface. That is what's being discussed. The comparable base model [$2300] was being claimed to be the highest config (which it isn't) and was being compared to the maxed out Surface, which is ridiculous. The maxed out iMac with comparable specs to the maxed out Surface is $3400. Please just stop.
 
ASGuy said:
This is a great looking computer. The monitor is fantastic. But who is this computer really for? It's not for your typical PC user. It's not for gamers. It's supposedly marketed toward iMac users but those are consumers for the most part and this is a professional work station? Yet it's pretty limited in terms of hardware for a professional workstation. While it can play 4k, the graphics cards it uses only support hardware decoding of 1080p, so you're not going to get optimal 4k performance which means, you probably really don't want to use it for editing or compositing 4k video. You would need hardware decoder / encoder which you can't install because there is no place to put them. What about 3d? Can you sculpt and paint in 3d on it with the graphics cards it comes with? GeForce 960M or 980M... They are mobile graphics cards for laptops, not workstations... Anyways, this thing is targeting graphics pros but it's not really workstation caliber. It's got style... It's got workstation level costs... But it's not a workstation... It's not portable like a MacBookPro... It's way more expensive than an iMac... While it has a beautiful touch screen, touch screens on PC's or laptops are really nothing more than a gimmick, you're not going to be productive with a touch screen, in fact I would argue that a touch screen computer is horrible UX because you're constantly getting in your own way every time you lift to touch the screen, you're blocking half of the monitor (laptops). As for drawing, I don't know about you guys, but when I draw on my tablet or when I draw on paper, I'm constantly turning the tablet or paper so that I can get the perfect angle for my arm and what I'm working on. I don't think that would be possible with this... The Surface Wheel? These things have been around for a long time, google 3dconnexion, these have x,y,z axis, they do the same thing as the Surface Wheel but you don't put them on the display. Griffin also made a wired and wireless wheel you could get for jog / shuttle functionality. So in my opinion, this is an overpriced, underpowered workstation that looks fantastic... For the same money, $4,200 (because the lower models are definitely not workstation caliber) you can do much better... You can build a way better PC and buy a Lenovo Yoga Home. Or you could buy an iMac and an iPad Pro... Or you could buy a fully tricked out MBP and still have money left over to go on vacation... So while this is a great looking computer, IMHO there is a very, very small niche for it. I'm sure there will be a lot of companies that also buy them for their receptionist because they look cool. Don't forget, with Windows (even 10) come blue screen errors... My Surface tablet gets them all the time, so I only use it for testing now.
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Page 26 and the best response I've read, thank you. We purchased several Surface Books, all returned... the touch screen got in the way of actual production!
 
gnipgnop said:
$2299 is the high-end standard config. Add $600 for the 32 GB RAM and $250 for the better GPU. That gets you to $3149. Do you really think a touch screen that isn't pressure sensitive is going to add another $900 to the price? No way. If that were true, then MS is guaranteed to be losing money on a pressure-sensitive touch screen the size of the Surface Studio.
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again the GPU is not even on the same level the gtx 980m is twice as powerful as the r9 395x sometimes even 3x its almost not even fair to compare them. but the imac offers a better CPU thats about it
 
Surprised at the lack of the nVidia 10xx series GPUs. They are quite more powerful than the 9xxM's.
 
The issue I see is the price point. I understand that it isn't "overpriced" for the niche artist/designer that can utilize the creativity solutions they have to offer, but for the average consumer it seems extremely steep.

Love to see the innovation none the less. In the end, it'll only fuel competition and give us more to look forward to so I like what I saw
 
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Trusteft said:
In terms of looks, they look very good.
The problem for me is the software or to be more exact, Windows 10.
That keystroke recording, file opening recording, big brother BS of an OS will never get a place as my main OS.
If they fix their spying crap W10, we will talk.
Till then, no thank you.
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You can disable all of Microsoft's telemetry in the enterprise version of Windows 10. Ready to talk now?
 
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Karma*Police said:
Sometimes these novel ideas look and sound cool, but in practice, they aren't nearly as useful or practical in real world use. Surface Book is a perfect example.
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Find 10 people that have owned a touch-screen Windows 10 laptop, tablet, or PC for more than a month if they would be willing to go back to a non-touch enabled device. It is not only useful, it changes the way some of us work and we will never go back.
 
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\-V-/ said:
It doesn't offer a better CPU. Where are you guys getting this stuff?
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i take that back the article i read was wrong it said it was using the duel core i7's but when i went to microsofts website it is suing the 6th gen quad core i7. so my mistake
 
Faelan said:
Surface Studio? Awesome concept, but $3000 starting price for something that makes my year old gaming PC laugh? Nope, ain't happening. This thing is really only of interest to those in the market for a Cintiq. That's a very limited market. I can hear Tim breathe a sigh of relief right now. This thing won't make a dent in the iMac/MacBook sales. Wacom on the other hand... they're panicking right now. Which is good.
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I find this to be short-sighted.

Microsoft has pulled out of their rear the coolest desktop computer in recent memory.

People buy things on looks; it's certainly what drew me to Apple in the first place.

Twenty eight MacRumors forum pages say that this machine is not to be underestimated.

If Tim is sighing relief at this point, he's pulling a Steve Ballmer post-iPhone release.
 
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