Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
To be honest, not for a long time now. I get more spinny beachballs in os x then BSOD. The last BSOD i had was on a macbook pro, and that was the black screen of death cause the GPU overheated due to bad fan management and shutdown. If you use old PC hardware with flacky drivers it is more common. The last PC BSOD I got was self induced by pushing a 2.66 to 4.5 mhz through overclocking.

MHz, huh? No wonder it crashed ;]
 
I'm sure the Apple Store Managers were able to put food on the table... What you think they were working at the Apple store for free?

From what others are saying in this thread, MS is supposedly offering them "double" what they are making at Apple.

This would be rather unheard of and I doubt it's even close to true.

The managers of most retail operations get a base salary and then with bonuses can make quite a bit more. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the median salary of an Apple store manager (the head cheese) was around $75,000 or so and then they can earn upwards of another $50,000 if they hit their numbers.

So, MS is going to offer them base salary of $150,000 and a $100,000 bonus? Highly unlikely.

MS is probably going to offer a larger base salary and smaller bonus, since there's almost no way that they are going to hit any big targets in the first year or two of operation.
 
I can't wait to see Apple make fun of all of this non-sense in the next batch of Mac vs. PC adverts.

:D
 
He didnt say OSX now did he. He said mac software. Could be anything. Quicktime, itunes, Saffari, ilife, iwork etc.

or even 3rd party mac software.



your source? I believe you are right (makes logic sense) but unless you provide a source, its just talk

You are correct. However, QuickTime, safari, and iTunes are not exclusive to Macs. So how do mac owners run programs that are exclusive to PCs? I can only assume by running windows. Same for mac software, one would need to be running an apple OS.
But unlike OSX, Windows can be loaded on macs without having to be hacked.
Please help me understand if macs OSes can run pc exclusive without windows?
 
Feature sets

Do you need to use it to know it's an ill-conceived, dead-end device?

Unless MS does a helluva lot more with it, it won't last very long. Apparently, we're being told it's not even competition for the iPod Touch. Which leaves it somewhere between "limited" and "pointless."

Lets have a look at the stuff that counts, shall we?
iPod Touch / Zune HD
GPS sort of (wifi) / no (apparently)
Radio no / yes
Audible Books yes / no
subscriptions no/ yes
Email yes / no
instant messaging yes / no
Calendar yes / no
maps yes / no
facebook/twitter yes / no
Apps 75000 / 9 or so
games 21000 / 7 or so
Screen 3.5 LCD / 3.3 OLED
 
my own probably worthless prediction

Fewer than 10 Microsoft stores will open before they pull the plug.

Microsoft does not have a single marketing-savvy bone in it's corporate body. They got their marketshare not by marketing, but by limiting buyers' options with their exclusive deals with manufacturers...
 
So how does the world work? Apple fixed the industry. It's that simple. They did to smartphones what they did to mp3 players.

Apple didn't just make smartphones "hip" and "cool." Apple made them usable, powerful, and relevant. We can get into an infinite regression and go back to the horse and buggy, if you like. But really, the reason we have HTC devices running Android is because of Apple. The reason we have the Pre is because of Apple. The reason we have capacitive touchscreen as the new standard is because of Apple. The reason MS went back to the drawing board with WinMo is beacuse of Apple. The reason we actually have a usable App Store that people want to develop for is because of Apple. The reason we're enjoying rich multimeida content on smartphones today (and some stlll can't manage it) is because of Apple.

Compare the smartphone industry pre-iPhone to post-iPhone. There's a galaxy of difference. And no, I don't buy the "we were were moving in that direction anyway" argument. It took Apple to show everyone the way, and some *still* can't get their act together. At best, the indusrty was stumbling toward more button-festooned, bad-screened, stylus-based devices with horrible OSes.

There have been too many mistakes on apples part to even list to say they "did to smart phones what they did to MP3 players" does that mean that they bought an already existing IP? The iPhone until it steps up corporate support is still going to be a media phone. BB's beat iPhone sales alone hand over fist and they own the business sector.
 
So how does the world work? Apple fixed the industry. It's that simple. They did to smartphones what they did to mp3 players.

Apple didn't just make smartphones "hip" and "cool." Apple made them usable, powerful, and relevant. We can get into an infinite regression and go back to the horse and buggy, if you like. But really, the reason we have HTC devices running Android is because of Apple. The reason we have the Pre is because of Apple. The reason we have capacitive touchscreen as the new standard is because of Apple. The reason MS went back to the drawing board with WinMo is beacuse of Apple. The reason we actually have a usable App Store that people want to develop for is because of Apple. The reason we're enjoying rich multimeida content on smartphones today (and some stlll can't manage it) is because of Apple.

Compare the smartphone industry pre-iPhone to post-iPhone. There's a galaxy of difference. And no, I don't buy the "we were were moving in that direction anyway" argument. It took Apple to show everyone the way, and some *still* can't get their act together. At best, the indusrty was stumbling toward more button-festooned, bad-screened, stylus-based devices with horrible OSes.

uh... BINGO!:)
 
There have been too many mistakes on apples part to even list to say they "did to smart phones what they did to MP3 players" does that mean that they bought an already existing IP? The iPhone until it steps up corporate support is still going to be a media phone. BB's beat iPhone sales alone hand over fist and they own the business sector.

OK then... please list all those mistakes so that we might be edified.
 
Well, microsoft is probably trying too hard. They really don't need ex-apple employees to have a successful run at having stores. It is getting pretty childish at this point. They are doing things out of spite. Hire other techs and managers in the community looking for jobs. NOT people that already have jobs.
 
Is that not windows CE-based PDA? Hardly a secret
If you're a competitor looking to implement a similar system (without having to do all of the legwork yourself) only knowing that it's Windows CE doesn't exactly give you much of a headstart. :confused:

Edit: On second thought, if you think the iPhone software for business users is flawless, then there is no point in discussing it with you.
I thought the iPhone was about Apple getting consumers to adopt smartphones, something consumers weren't doing in droves prior.

iPhones are about as perfect of a business solution as BlackBerrys are as perfect of a multimedia consumer solution.
 
Lets have a look at the stuff that counts, shall we?
iPod Touch / Zune HD
GPS sort of (wifi) / no (apparently)
Built-in Radio no/ yes
Radio (apps) yes / no
Audible Books yes / no
subscriptions no/ yes
Email yes / no
instant messaging yes / no
Calendar yes / no
maps yes / no
YouTube yes / no
facebook/twitter yes / no
Apps 75000 / 9 or so
games 21000 / 7 or so
external speaker yes / no
tactile volume control yes / no
Screen 3.5 LCD / 3.3 OLED

Internet Radio offers an extremely large variety of AM/FM and international stations, of which there are several apps for.
 
In all honesty I don't know why people bitch about the two companies. Windows and OSX aren't even in competition with each other. Apple & Microsoft don't really give a crap about their customers. They, like all for profit companies, just want money, not your blessing.

I would work for apple for Free!!:D
 
Competition...

...Is competition, right?

Just let Microsoft pay more to their employees.

They can still having a Mac on their house, so, what's the problem with a higher wage?
 
I just bought a Mac Mini for around $500.
You dont want people to know what computer you have, but you list the name of a car as your screen name? Why didn't you call yourself Daewoo7200?

Dude, why are you being so hostile? Go take a walk and calm down, this is the internet. The fact is a new Mac Mini bought directly from Apple as of September 22, 2009 at 9:43:55 PM EDT starts at $599. There are many people who don't want to pay much for computers, or simply can't afford. That's where the other OEM's and Microsoft have their advantage, reaching to the people who don't want/can't afford expensive computers.

And about my signature, that is simply a joke. Since most people list their computers in their sig, I wanted to joke about it buy writing that. Before that my computers were listed. If you really want to know what computers I have, i'll tell you.

White MacBook (May 2007) 2.16 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo 2GB RAM 120 GB HD
Aluminum iMac 24" (August 2007) 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 4GB RAM 500 GB HD
iMac G5 ALS 20" (~purchased April 2005) 2 GHz PowerPC G5 2GB RAM 500 GB HD
iMac G4 17" (purchased 2002) 1 GHz PowerPC G4 512 MB RAM 75 GB HD

Happy? :rolleyes:

Jai Ho
 
Edit: On second thought, if you think the iPhone software for business users is flawless, then there is no point in discussing it with you.

Sir, forgive me, I forgot that I wrote that iPhone software for business users was flawless. OH... WAIT... I DIDN'T. ANYWHERE. ANY TIME. Ever. Can't even think of one, can you?
 
Their is no commitment to retail. Retail managers and employees go from chain to chain looking for the best money and opportunities. Case in point many Apple managers worked at Pottery Barn, Gap, Best Buy, and CompUSA. My old manager used to work at Best Buy and was a notorious Mac hater. Retail is retail. Employees smile and cheer and behind the scenes, complain, and disagree.

this pretty much sums up reality, and it's something that the Apple faithful need to realize.

I worked in retail all through college, and there's just no loyalty. Anywhere. Anyone who thinks that the majority of Apple employees do it for the love of Steve are fooling themselves. Do most of them like Apple stuff? Probably. Would they skip out on better pay and benefits given the opportunity? No way.

Besides, what's keeping them from continuing to use Apple stuff at home anyway? Who cares what they sell at work?
 
Okay, let me repeat the question I asked before; have you actually used the Zune HD to be forming such an opinion?

I've used the old one and I've seen ton of videos demoing it on youtube so it doesn't matter if you have to try it out in person when they got 10000093450938459872 vidoes of it demoing for you.
 
Internet Radio offers an extremely large variety of AM/FM and international stations, of which there are several apps for.

I'd take Slacker Radio on my iPhone over any local radio channel (even HD) any day.
 
this pretty much sums up reality, and it's something that the Apple faithful need to realize

Why don't we ever hear the term "the Microsoft faithful" when it's obvious they exist (with many of them right here on MacRumors no less...)?
 
Depending on the state, NDAs generally (notice that I say "generally") would not be enforced by a court for retail staff. Since the Apple retail folks are merely in store to sell, which includes disseminating public knowledge about the product, it would likely be difficult for Apple to demonstrate the kind of need usually necessary to justify the enforcement of an NDA.

Apple Retail staff consistently claim they are told nothing until the public is. they don't know release dates, details,what's on the drawing boards etc. they say it when the rumors start, they say it when the announcements of an announcement go out, they say it when folks come in pissed cause they just bought a new whatever 3 weeks ago and this morning a new version was announced.

crazy thought, maybe they aren't told anything. which would make an NDA unneeded. and that lack of having to bother could be part of why they aren't told since it's hard to track someone down to sign one when leaving if the person just decides not to show up one day
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.