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As for iWork software its all crap, these applications are too restricted, Apple force you use use the applications their way, pushing their own file formats, saving all photo contents to one file, etc and hide a lot of info and features in submenus. Microsoft Office is a lot better, and I would never use IWork / iPhoto / iMovie, as they are too stripped down. Simplicity is not always best because when things go wrong, it makes it a lot harder to get back to where you were..

I use a Mac and love Mavericks, but Apple's iWork suite is garbage compared to Office which has a lot more usability and more powerful, and you uses have more choice over functionality etc. I hate the way Apple dictate how to use their applications.

Of course the evaluation is subjective and iWork is not probably the most function-rich office suite out there but iWork on OS X exports as Word, PDF, Powerpoint and etc files in addition to their native formats and does that very well. I didn't try new Pages but today I bought and already used new Keynote 6.0 for OS X - thats amazing piece of software especially compared with Powerpoint and my impression was that their graphic adjustment and tables have really improved. I don't do much dynamic transitions but new themes are awesome and style boxes are great for formatting. And they import Powerpoint files very well. Files from OS X also open easily.
 
As much as it pains me to say it, MS's Frank Shaw is mostly accurate - especially since the latest version of iWork is a step in the wrong direction. Yes I've been trying hard to make the latest iWork for me. It needed more features not less!!!!

Does anyone on the iWork development team care about how their software is actually used in the real world? Are the iWork engineers spread around too many projects to even give a d*mn?

Come on Apple pleeeeze get with it. You've had a large window of opportunity to create a solid set of mobile to desktop productivity tools with iWork. However, even after all these years you continue to drop the ball and give Microsoft a free pass for the only viable business and enterprise productivity solutions. Unless you have a clandestine agreement with MS to purposely fail, what on earth are you thinking?
 
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While I think Windows will still have its place for many years to come, and the Surface does have its advantages... that statement is utterly ridiculous coming from the company that foisted the horrible Windows 8 interface onto its desktop customers.

Well, I find W8 start screen quite useful and beautiful, specially after 8.1 and the far greater customization it allows.
Maybe it helps I use a mouse with wheel and 4 buttons. Wheel right for charms, button 1 in the thumb go to Start, button 2 in the thumb go to desktop. It feels very natural to me.

Also, with 8.1 if you don't want you don't have to see the start screen anymore. Just select the options "boot to desktop", "go directly to programs list" and disable the "hot" corners. Now you are left with a much improved Windows 7. Why the hate? :confused:
 
Assuming this is a serious post and you are not someone MS is paying to promote their products. I can think of a few issues here:
1) Tablets are not the best devices for office productivity. If you want to get a lot of writing done, a laptop is far better.
2) The surface is unlikely to be very useable on the plane, on your lap as the keyboard is too flexible. Typing for long periods of time on a touch screen is not fun.

This is the problem with the surface, pretty much it's only advantage over the iPad is that it has Office. But Office on a tablet is not the best way to get work done, a ultra book is a much better option. Now there are some tasks that can be performed better or just as good on a tablet, but then they will be better on the iPad because of the greater number of quality apps.

This is a typical post of a non-typical scenario.

The average person focuses on office productivity at a desk (where the best device is a desktop, not a laptop), and does lightweight work/entertainment when travelling (where the average users LTE & GPS smart phone is typically more equipped than your average tablet).

But the bigger issue is that these activities are ideally not de-coupled. So if I want to find an old spreadsheet while I'm travelling, grab some number and put it into a powerpoint, and then present it for an hour, it's not going to work well on the phone or tablet. You can gimp something together, for sure, but generally that 1 hour presentation will require you to bring two devices.

Similarly, on the entertainment side, if you have mixed platforms at home, or a media harddrive with different files types on it, an ipad can be utterly useless to access that content on a plane. It's also pretty useless if you want to organize your vacation photos on a train ride/bus and don't have wifi. Once again, a pretty common scenario and while you can gimp solutions, your would ideally do these things on two different devices.

If you're on the road a lot and always have to do heavy work on the road, an ultrabook, mba or rmbp will probably work better. But for the average worker, I think the surface gives you a good, flexible experience in most usage scenarios without you having to figure out which accessories you need to bring and how to organize your files. There is the issue around the interface of windows 8, but at the end of the day, you're not trying to figure out how to get your ipad to play the media file from the new camera you bought for your vacation.

The other thing is that the lack of apps is nonsense when referring to the surface pro. It offers access the best of breed of the original "killer aps" - spreadsheets, word processing and later browsers.

For the surface 2 and rt though, the description is correct, but it really isn't about the numbers. It's about the top apps. In windows, the apps can in some occasions provide for a much better experience, for example Vlc and multiple video formats.

I think people are in for a surprise in the next quarter. A lot of companies have been looking at these things but, unlike consumer purchases, corporate purchasing can be a bit drawn out.
 
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Well, I find W8 start screen quite useful and beautiful, specially after 8.1 and the far greater customization it allows.
Maybe it helps I use a mouse with wheel and 4 buttons. Wheel right for charms, button 1 in the thumb go to Start, button 2 in the thumb go to desktop. It feels very natural to me.

Also, with 8.1 if you don't want you don't have to see the start screen anymore. Just select the options "boot to desktop", "go directly to programs list" and disable the "hot" corners. Now you are left with a much improved Windows 7. Why the hate? :confused:

I would guess the majority of people in this thread will hate anything thats not Apple. You cant reason with most of them.
 
…..Come on Apple pleeeeze get with it. You've had a large window of opportunity to create a solid set of mobile to desktop productivity tools with iWork. However, even after all these years you continue to drop the ball and give Microsoft a free pass for the only viable business and enterprise productivity solutions. Unless you have a clandestine agreement with MS to purposely fail, what on earth are you thinking?

While it is true that iWork cannot compare with MS Office, the former is quite adequate for most day-to-day routines for many Mac users. And those who need the more comprehensive features of Office can purchase this as Office for Mac. I don't believe Apple has the desire or inclination to be everything to everybody; some things are just better left to others.
 
I would guess the majority of people in this thread will hate anything thats not Apple. You cant reason with most of them.

There are lots of people making totally unjustified assumptions. They think people criticise products not made by Apple because they hate anything that's not Apple - but for example in the case of Windows 8, people who have nothing to do with Apple and never owned a Mac in their life hate it, hate it, hate it, because it is just rubbish to use. (People who quite liked Windows XP, and were OK with Windows 7).

Now obviously you will find it hard to reason with people if your argument is that they hate anything that isn't Apple.
 
Apple has been spreading such BS for years - even decades - about Microsoft or any other competition. Was that also sad?

Winni, Apple hasn't been spreading ******** as you claim.

The "I'm a Mac / I'm a PC" campaign was about things that people, Windows and Mac users, knew to be true. Obviously a bit played up, obviously made to make looks in the best possible light, but with undeniably a bit of truth at the bottom of it. As a Windows fan, you could hear it and say "well, it's true, but it's not really as bad as they make it sound, and not as important".

What this Microsoft guy does just makes him look stupid. You read or hear his claims, and you think "this guy must come from some different universe. I have no idea what he is talking about". That's the difference.
 
So, the "surface" looks like an iPad, behaves like an iPad and hell, they copied the whole frikkin' idea 1-to-1 from the iPad yet the iPad "clearly" sucks and M$ says it totally won't sell and oh pls you buy our surface now.

Right... :rolleyes:
 
Windows 8 sucks. Everyone knows it.

The Surface hasn't sold well at all, to the point of having the price slashed. Everyone knows it.

The iPad experience is better. Everyone knows it. Sales prove it.

Fail.

It's a matter of opinion, nothing proves it.
 
As an aside, Microsoft keeps saying they have more accessories for Surface. While it is true that they have more first-party accessories, there are far more third-party accessories made for iPad. Microsoft's music-oriented touch cover is a joke compared to the things you can do with an iPad, Garageband and a connected instrument.

You are aware the that surface has full USB and driver support right? That alone outnumbers the amount of accessories available for the iPad. And instead of GarageBand you're able to run something a little more studio orientated like Pro-Tools or Ableton.

The Surface will kick the iPad's butt in a music studio.
 
Well nothing will help them

to win me back.
more than 10 years ago I ditched Widows. Constant reinstall and crash was reality, and today? Windows 8 is not better. That bloody thing doesn't work.

Friend bought their Stuff.

well keyboard is useless, he never uses it.
and the back flop is like an Epson printer door, both noisy plastic, rubbish
 
I like the new iWork... it is far more easy to use as the old one and totally enough for me. In Group Projects or Report-Writing I have to use Word anyway, as that is used by the majority.
Don't see any issue for me here... just an update for Office for Mac would be nice, but expecting that for Spring, with a huge price-sticker on it probably.... so I don't get why a free iPages (or 15$ or something before) should be compared to a much more expensive office suit... It does what it says it does, no more and no less
 
You are aware the that surface has full USB and driver support right? That alone outnumbers the amount of accessories available for the iPad. And instead of GarageBand you're able to run something a little more studio orientated like Pro-Tools or Ableton.

The Surface will kick the iPad's butt in a music studio.

The Surface 2? Doubt it. Because no one (figuratively speaking) is going to use a tablet as the primary device in a "music studio", but rather as an accessory (like the Logic X companion app). And there are far more accessory audio touch apps for the iPad- even in Garageband you have a light version of one of the most popular professional music apps. With the Surface Pro you'd just have an underpowered audio PC- with full apps, sure, but not designed for touch which defeats the purpose of having a tablet. The types of apps available for the iPad suitable for studio use would work just as well as the types of apps available for the Surface, except the ones for Surface don't happen to exist.
 
Snoozefest

Negative advertising and public relations is sooooo boring. I can't see anything in Apple advertising about iWork that suggests they view it as anything other than a set of relatively easy to use, well designed products for mostly home and small business users. The tag line is "Creativity and productivity apps" not "heavy weight business applications".
 
I can sort of see what he's trying to say from an Enterprise point of view but with a plethora of VPN and Remote access apps on the iPad I've taken to using it as a thin client and leaving my laptop in the office.

I have a feeling that Terminal servers and thin clients might be the way were going back to as the preference for 'Bring Your Own Device' these days means that as long as businesses provide such a facility, it really doesn't matter what connected device you use as an Input/Output.

Going back to the guy from MS, besides fleeting briefly with a good point it does sound rather like sour grapes.
 
Microsoft clearly watched the Keynote the other night and when Tim and the team announced what they did.....more things becoming free, the excellent looking new iPad Air etc etc....they didn't know which way to turn and didn't know what they could possibly do to compete. Apart from trying to "look hard" and slag Apple off...again...and fail...again!! Oh dear Microsoft!!
 
I think the facts are that true productivity is still, and for the most part always will be, in the hands of desktops and laptops. True productivity comes with the use of a mouse and a decent size display. Finding ways to compliment that productivity with a tablet is probably the key. Look at Logic Pro, and the use of the iPad as a peripheral device. Great idea, that with a bit of work and fine tuning, will represent great productivity. There was no need for Tim Cook to bait microsoft, and this response is to be expected. Let the iPad be what it is, people are buying it. Let microsoft continue to try and better it, the competition is good for all of us, providing us with true choice.

I think if you can find just a handful of really good uses for the iPad, then it's great. I use mine as a remote for my iTunes library, as a peripheral for logic, and waste a bit of time playing games etc. I'm happy with that, and if I want to get productive, I use my mba 11". One device can't do everything, and it's silly to try. A microsoft tablet trying to be a complete office package, is just as silly. Just not going to happen. If we all do some research on all the devices to see what they can do for us, we can be happy. Don't let either company dictate to us what we should be using and how. We will ultimately decide through what we buy, as to what devices represent productivity for us. We have to take that responsibility, it's in our hands not theirs.

With this in mind, Apple offers products that unlock potential productivity, and that is why iPad will continue to be more successful.
 
As much stumbling as Microsoft has done with tablets, I still have to agree with this guy about iWork. It's a very light weight version of office and isn't going to cut it for most. Sure, it's colorful, easy to use, and plays nicely within apples walled garden or whatever. But, it's not sufficient as a powerful office application.

I don't get why MS. And apple don't team up and get a serious office release out for the iPad and split the revenue. I bet it would be the top app download for months and months.
 
The sad part here is that MS is somewhat right. I'm a long time iWork user and eagerly downloaded the desktop update. Big mistake. 50% of it's formerly great functionality has been stripped out for parity to iOS and iCloud. As such, iWork as a competitor to Office on the desktop is no more. Check out Apple's iWork forums for rants. It's really sad. Luckily, I was able to restore the previous iWork apps and never deleted iWork '09.

and u registered to post this? :p
thats curious... ha ha ha
 
As much stumbling as Microsoft has done with tablets, I still have to agree with this guy about iWork. It's a very light weight version of office and isn't going to cut it for most. Sure, it's colorful, easy to use, and plays nicely within apples walled garden or whatever. But, it's not sufficient as a powerful office application.

I don't get why MS. And apple don't team up and get a serious office release out for the iPad and split the revenue. I bet it would be the top app download for months and months.

what are the missing features in iwork compared to office?
thx
 
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