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Microsoft seems a little like its a bit of a wounded animal lashing out at its tormentors. Microsoft is by no means finished - it would be naive to argue otherwise - but it does appear weaker.

At the moment the wounds are fairly minor - Apple and Google are eating into the marginal non-corporate user base of Office - but even some corporates are reviewing their IT strategies.

As others have said, Microsoft have made a mistake in not releasing a version of Office for iOS or Android. The Surface (Pro) is their attempt at grabbing some of the market for productive tablet users. So far that hasn't worked too well - time will tell if the new version performs better.

If home users (in particular) have no need for a PC at home because they can undertake the simpler home-based office tasks, like writing letters, on a tablet they will be less inclined to replace that machine and certainly less inclined to buy/subscribe to Office for occasional use, never mind not buying a PC with a Windows licence on it.

If tablet users then become more ensnared in the corresponding ecosystem for their tablet, whether iOS/OSX or Android/Chrome, they will lose both sources of revenue forever.

Not only that, but as younger generations go through school and college not using Windows or Office (using iPads or Android tablets instead), they lose a major source of new users. Obviously many will still need to use Windows and Office in their careers, however it may not be their first/natural choice.

Microsoft can thus see a number of scenarios that result in a medium/long term decline in users and revenue. That must be quite scary and makes having a success in the tablet market absolutely essential. If Surface 2 fails to gain much traction, there's a danger that commentators will start to write them off and negative perceptions will grow. That does not bode well.

There is a place for Microsoft in the future, it's just not as lucrative or profitable as it has been. There are plenty of carcasses of once-mighty tech companies lying around to show that it can happen to anyone.
 
Also... calm down. The ribbon isn't "the worst change made to any program by any company ever in the history of computers". I don't even know if your post should be taken as seriously, you're obviously not taking it seriously with statements like that.

You're right. I thought it was, until I used Windows 8. The "ribbon" is only the second worst. :D
 
Though admittedly, the Surface does suck for using in your lap.

It seems like you tried to use Surface in your lap, so I would like to ask you:
Is it worse than a tablet without kickstand? Is there a tablet with a better solution than the kickstand? Have you tried Surface 2 with the new position?

Thanks!
 
As far as I remember back in 1990s Apple never gave away for free their office software suit (Claris Works - I had it). Neither their office apps were on the web for free - I mean iWork.com. They didn't have 700 million tablets and smartphones running same, free office software, which is iWork now.

No, they didn't. The thing is, Apple suddenly deciding to release their office apps for free benefits them, but doesn't do much to hurt MS. The people who need Office will continue to need Office, no matter if the iWork suite is $70, $30, or free.

Nice bonus though it is, it won't do much to hurt Microsoft at all.
 
What I am saying is that it's not worth the freakstorms we see every time one of these threads pop up, and Apple is just as guilty of doing the same thing previously.

It wasn't supposed to be a freakstorm. It was me simply explaining why Microsoft's attempts at taking on the competition are received differently. If any company did the same thing, they should expect the same reaction - negative advertising is rarely received well. And then I got leapt on myself as if I was somehow taking it all personally. 5 or 6 posts later, here we are.
 
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See? If I didn't put my woop emote there, my scathing insult would've totally devastated you emotionally. But since I did, everyone got a good laugh out of it, and we all became bestest friends forever.

Yeah! You got it! Now, what if we punch each other in the face while smiling... until there are no teeth left? Must be a blast! And we will feel soo happy!! I start. :D :p
 
It seems like you tried to use Surface in your lap, so I would like to ask you:
Is it worse than a tablet without kickstand? Is there a tablet with a better solution than the kickstand? Have you tried Surface 2 with the new position?

Thanks!

Unless it's attached to a solid keyboard base, every free standing tablet out there sucks for lap usage. The Surface is no better or worse than any others here.

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It wasn't supposed to be a freakstorm. It was me simply explaining why Microsoft's attempts at taking on the competition are received differently. If any company did the same thing, they should expect the same reaction - negative advertising is rarely received well. And then I got leapt on myself as if I was somehow taking it all personally. 5 or 6 posts later, here we are.

Nah, I wasn't singling you out specifically when I mentioned the freakstorm. I'm talking about the general reactions throughout the thread.

Also, negative advertising isn't always received negatively. It depends on the demographic. Right now, there are probably people at Ars Technica and Tech Crunch having a good laugh over it. But here on an Apple specific forum? Everyone's wailing and gnashing their teeth.

But after everything is said and done, what really matters is that people are talking about it. Here, MS did their job quite well.
 
You could have just said "no" when I asked if you wanted links showing Apple doing negative campaigning instead of dancing around it like you just did here. I get it. ;)

Whether Apple did it previously or not is irrelevant. Are we keeping score? Apple did it X times in the last Y years so Microsoft has Z more times they can do it before it becomes sad? Does this mean that Apple gets a free pass to be bitchy and whiny with their next ad, since Microsoft have been that way today?

Whatever happened in the past, Apple clearly changed their strategy, because it's not how they behave today. Microsoft did not, which puts them square in the firing line over their negative campaigning today. You seem to be under the misconception that I won't criticise Apple. But if Apple reverts, then they deserve the same criticism.

BTW, if you're going to trot out the I'm a Mac campaign, then you really haven't understood in the slightest.
 
The problem with the Surface tablets is that none of them have 3G / 4G / LTE, they only support WiFi, so if your out and about and don't have a wifi connection everywhere, you are then forced to use another separate device to tether to get Internet / data access. That's the major downer re hardware.

As for iWork software its all crap, these applications are too restricted, Apple force you use use the applications their way, pushing their own file formats, saving all photo contents to one file, etc and hide a lot of info and features in submenus. Microsoft Office is a lot better, and I would never use IWork / iPhoto / iMovie, as they are too stripped down. Simplicity is not always best because when things go wrong, it makes it a lot harder to get back to where you were..

I use a Mac and love Mavericks, but Apple's iWork suite is garbage compared to Office which has a lot more usability and more powerful, and you uses have more choice over functionality etc. I hate the way Apple dictate how to use their applications.
 
Wow, he claims theres a reality distortion field at apple! I think he's got one going on in his own universe that consists of him and the ms ad team.

When your tablet takes a 1billion dollar hit on profits to shift stock how can you say you understand your customer? If anyone can make a tablet for consuming media how come you can't at ms? Jesus this guy is mental, literally.

If he hasn't noticed there are a metric tonne of creativity apps in the ipad for everything from music to 3d and video. No one really wants to type on a tablet as virtual keyboards just don't work as well. If you write you have a laptop.

Not to mention that apple has been the standard in graphics agencies even before Steve jobs returned. The only places that had windows boxes were the ones who didn't have the cash to buy em suggesting maybe they weren't a very good agency.
 
Microsoft needs to pull up its socks together & come back to surface :)D) rather than fly in the sky. It needs to buck up to competition in deeds rather than words. 90% if software population has grown up using MS products, but now its a subject of pity, seeing its downfall.
 
Wow. While I want MS to succeed because it benefits all of us, this sounds like immature "tit for tat" whining.

MS would have been better off just saying nothing.

Agreed 100% on both points; these comments now make them look like sore losers.

The Surface is definitely a nice looking device with decent specs, at a good price, but MS has misread the direction the market was heading in. They've missed the mark in releasing a PC wanting to be a tablet, wanting to be a PC.

Nothing like showing bitterness to sell your product.

Precisely! Good way to turn off potential buyers.

Mama always told me, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again."

Then there's that famous quote:
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". Albert Einstein
 
But after everything is said and done, what really matters is that people are talking about it. Here, MS did their job quite well.

What really matters is if people buy their product.

The first round of Microsoft Surface tablets didn't do so well.

But but but... they run Microsoft Office and thousands of real Windows programs!!! The iPad can't!

And yet... the iPad is still a huge success.

Microsoft can talk all they want... but it barely moves the needle.
 
But helping people be productive on a tablet is a little trickier. It takes an understanding of how people actually work, how they get things done, and how to best support the way they do things already.

The good news is that Microsoft understands how people work better than anyone else on the planet.
While I think Windows will still have its place for many years to come, and the Surface does have its advantages... that statement is utterly ridiculous coming from the company that foisted the horrible Windows 8 interface onto its desktop customers.
 
Unless it's attached to a solid keyboard base, every free standing tablet out there sucks for lap usage. The Surface is no better or worse than any others here.


I see, but you did not try the Surface 2 with the improved kickstand position that was made to improve lap use. Right?
 
What really matters is if people buy their product.

The first round of Microsoft Surface tablets didn't do so well.

But but but... they run Microsoft Office and thousands of real Windows programs!!! The iPad can't!

And yet... the iPad is still a huge success.

Microsoft can talk all they want... but it barely moves the needle.

We'll see how that turns out in the long run. A sales guy at my company already brings a Surface Pro to the office - he also has an iPad, but no longer uses it. He has also replaced his iPhone with a Galaxy Note. Sales people are usually a good indication for upcoming trends, because they love to show off the latest fancy toys.

In any case, Microsoft has a fat bank account, patience and breath. They just purchased Nokia - whose sales figures have been rising again since they switched to Windows Phone - and they are very, very serious about their strategic change. Microsoft has a LONG history of entering markets late and eventually taking them over.

Then there is a new CEO coming, which might make things very interesting again.

Apple, on the other hand, seem to be resting on their laurels. Their latest products have merely been optimizations and evolutionary updates, but nothing groundbreaking. They're no longer leading the pack, but are just trying to keep up with it. And let's not forget that the whole Apple hysteria and mania is mainly a US-American phenomenon. Sure, they are also successful in Europe, but not nearly as successful as they are in the US.
 
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