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hey people...

instead of thinking this is all about apple for once, look closely, there's a lot more going on at CES than just a slate. probably the biggest I saw was the Bing deal and Natal/360. I'd love to see that properly discussed as well, but everyone's got SLATE on their minds.. eh...
 
I don't know about that - I doubt "hit" should be determined by the amount of financial losses to its creator. The lowly Wii, that everyone laughed off when it was launched, kicked the Xbox to the curb in sales (yet was profitable from day one). I remember one of the MS execs saying that the 360 absolutely had to succeed in Japan or the platform was in big trouble. Well, the 360 is in a distant third place (out of 3) in Japan. I doubt that's the kind of "success" they had in mind.

I'd be seriously concerned if I were Nintendo at this point... They have a fun, enjoyable console at the moment, but can it last another 5 or so years?? The tech is very behind. It seems also that Natal is almost like the next generation of that motion sensor/interaction as well.
 
sorry, it just seems a bit silly like MS are only going after Apple. to me personally, i think that was the least really thought of and looked at compared to the rest of it...
 
should focus on what they're good at - mediocre office computing.

Go talk to software and web developers that develop software that actually runs businesses. Ask them about the .NET programming model. More specifically ask about ASP.NET and Web Services. Ask them about Microsoft's impact on the future of application development and deliverance to the internet. This is far from mediocre computing.
 
I don't know about that - I doubt "hit" should be determined by the amount of financial losses to its creator. The lowly Wii, that everyone laughed off when it was launched, kicked the Xbox to the curb in sales (yet was profitable from day one). I remember one of the MS execs saying that the 360 absolutely had to succeed in Japan or the platform was in big trouble. Well, the 360 is in a distant third place (out of 3) in Japan. I doubt that's the kind of "success" they had in mind.

Mind you, a million and one different tech things come out in Japan that we never see. They're gadget geeks over there. What is successful in Japan doesn't always translate to other places around the world...
 
What would you use for a media extender then?

I have to admit, the ps3 works well with being a media extender. it sees my NAS on the network without even asking or setting it up, works well on the mac with Vuze, much like Sega, we'll probably lose another company by the time the next generation of consoles come out. I think it will be Nintendo. Geez, the thing can't even play DVDs! ;) I wish they'd stick to making handheld stuff. That side of things they do, and do well...
 
I'd be seriously concerned if I were Nintendo at this point... They have a fun, enjoyable console at the moment, but can it last another 5 or so years?? The tech is very behind. It seems also that Natal is almost like the next generation of that motion sensor/interaction as well.

Indeed. The Wii was great fun at first, and continues to be the best family console (by far), but its limitations grow more painfully obvious by the day. If they think they can milk the current hardware throughout this entire generation, I think they will be in for a rough road.

And their online strategy is stuck in the 90s. Yikes.

As for Natal, it was the "hardcore gamers" (you know, the Xbox 360 crowd) who swore that motion controls were for kids and idiots. I don't know that they'll suddenly change their minds just because the Xbox gets motion controls (though Microsoft does have strong mind-control powers over its minions, which will help).

MS will try (again) to make the Xbox into a "family gaming system," as they failed to realize (again) where real consumer demand was. Maybe they'll fund another doomed game and animated TV program (¡Viva Piñata!) to try to show everyone they're hip to the family groove. It's only money baby!

I can't wait to see XBowling and XSportsPark! Oh, you know they're coming!

Mind you, a million and one different tech things come out in Japan that we never see. They're gadget geeks over there. What is successful in Japan doesn't always translate to other places around the world...

I agree. But Microsoft seemed to think that winning in Japan was critical to the success (survival?) of their gaming platform, and a 3rd place finish (out of 3) isn't a "win."
 
I have to admit, the ps3 works well with being a media extender. it sees my NAS on the network without even asking or setting it up, works well on the mac with Vuze, much like Sega, we'll probably lose another company by the time the next generation of consoles come out. I think it will be Nintendo. Geez, the thing can't even play DVDs! ;) I wish they'd stick to making handheld stuff. That side of things they do, and do well...
Right now it's either an Xbox 360 or another Windows 7 machine.

I'll have to look into XBMC as well but I'd want something like an Acer Revo for that. Then you end up wanting Windows 7 regardless.
 
anyone remember the HP advert from a few years back...
Two guys climbing a mountain, they stop, whip out a small iPhone-sized HP device and watch their favourite soap on TV... I'm still waiting for that HP device - they never delivered, but they boasted about "HP innovation"

...so I'm glad now I can go up everest and whip out my 24 inch slate and watch 'Countdown' on it... maybe even make a shelter out of it...

LAUGHING. Ya know I never thought out the shelter option.
 
i agree about the slate. they basically introduced it then like threw it behind them like a pair of socks on christmas morning. NO time was spent it at all. If i was hp id be really pissed off.
 
What would you use for a media extender then?

I don't watch much TV, so this isn't a big issue for me. The PS3 seems capable in this regard, though you have to use 3rd party software (which isn't great) to really take advantage of it, and of course you can't view video purchased in iTunes. :mad:

Sony would be wise to release its own media app for Mac and Windows to match them up to the PS3. I certainly won't be spending money on multimedia content on the PlayStation store since they aren't portable to my iPhone or Macs.

I seem to be at an impasse in that regard. Fortunately it's a very low priority.
 
I don't watch much TV, so this isn't a big issue for me. The PS3 seems capable in this regard, though you have to use 3rd party software (which isn't great) to really take advantage of it, and of course you can't view video purchased in iTunes. :mad:

Sony would be wise to release its own media app for Mac and Windows to match them up to the PS3. I certainly won't be spending money on multimedia content on the PlayStation store since they aren't portable to my iPhone or Macs.

I seem to be at an impasse in that regard. Fortunately it's a very low priority.
The Mac/Windows software side is flakey and you don't get your playback formats either.

Doesn't the ridiculously-intrusive noise from the Xbox make it a poor media ambassador?
Another reason a passively cooled Atom + ION LE Acer Revo with Windows 7 Media Center and iTunes sounds good.

I have a spare AMD system right now. I need to move it to a slim Micro ATX case though. This is all a work in progress.

From what I've read the 65 nm Xbox 360 CPU and GPU revision corrects the noise issues. I remember Paul Thurrott calling the original cooling system a joke on the Windows Weekly podcast.
 
Indeed. The Wii was great fun at first, and continues to be the best family console (by far), but its limitations grow more painfully obvious by the day. If they think they can milk the current hardware throughout this entire generation, I think they will be in for a rough road.

And their online strategy is stuck in the 90s. Yikes.

As for Natal, it was the "hardcore gamers" (you know, the Xbox 360 crowd) who swore that motion controls were for kids and idiots. I don't know that they'll suddenly change their minds just because the Xbox gets motion controls (though Microsoft does have strong mind-control powers over its minions, which will help).

MS will try (again) to make the Xbox into a "family gaming system," as they failed to realize (again) where real consumer demand was. Maybe they'll fund another doomed game and animated TV program (¡Viva Piñata!) to try to show everyone they're hip to the family groove. It's only money baby!

I can't wait to see XBowling and XSportsPark! Oh, you know they're coming!



I agree. But Microsoft seemed to think that winning in Japan was critical to the success (survival?) of their gaming platform, and a 3rd place finish (out of 3) isn't a "win."

I think they'll play both sides, myself. Keep the hardcore gamers happy, but if they work with companies like Rare to make the motion/fun games, they've got a winner..
 
Microsoft is listening to people though.

With Apple you're told what you want and what you need.

Snow Leopard is a $29 coaster and I couldn't keep myself from going to Windows 7. Believe me I've been waiting for the next big thing for some time. It hasn't happened yet.

From who? Windows 7? LOL..WOW...How's the Fisher Price interface treating you?

Oh wait, never mind. I see you follow Paul Thurrott. That explains it all...
 
I will only criticize the delivery: I had the impression to be at a sales car event or worse to see the TV Ads for local car dealership on a local TV station... Don't they have communication classes at Msoft... Steve Ballmer was pathetic! What a way to talk to the world!


Yeah, the presentation was not CES material. It was boring, and pretty much they just talked about things we already knew. The HP Slate itself was not impressive considering that many manufactures are already coming with similar devices.

That being said, Steve Ballmer was just, Steve Ballmer. You either love him or hate him. Just like Jobs, some people cannot stand that guy.

Before you say anything.... I dislike both. But Ballmer is certainly a funny character.
 
MAC vs. Windows for Quick Books

Does anyone know if a Mac computer and a Dell (MS Windows bases) can communicate with each other when it come to the program of Quick Books?
 
From what I've read the 65 nm Xbox 360 CPU and GPU revision corrects the noise issues. I remember Paul Thurrott calling the original cooling system a joke on the Windows Weekly podcast.

My brother is on his third (thank you RROD) and each has been extremely noisy (exponentially so than my PS3 Slim) but I don't know which revision his latest machine is. The good news is he'll probably get another RROD and end up with the 65 nm console eventually. ;)

It's the free upgrade path that keeps on giving!

I think they'll play both sides, myself. Keep the hardcore gamers happy, but if they work with companies like Rare to make the motion/fun games, they've got a winner..

A tough act to pull off I bet. Remember, the hardcore Xbox crew is all about gaming street cred. Geez, Jay Allard legally changed his name to J, shaved his head and started dressing in t-shirts with skulls just to give his game platform the requisite vibe among the teen set (now that's corporate dedication!). It may be hard to maintain that image when you're advertising your new family-friendly "Happy, Happy Fun Ball" game on TV and the Web. They were irate when Microsoft followed Nintendo's Mii route, though they seem to have gotten over it.

Xbox - The Family Gaming Console? Good luck with that.

(Maybe Allard will grow a big curly fro and dye it red?)

But Ballmer is certainly a funny character.

Funny, yes. But not in the good way.

no different from a normal computer when its running. and besides, you should have the sound cranking ! ;)

By "normal computer" you must mean a PC, because my iMac certainly doesn't sound like an Xbox 360.

And movies only have so many explosions to hide the Xbox noise - you're going to have to listen (or try to listen) to some actual dialog sometime. Unless it's a Michael Bay flick, of course. ;)
 
I don't know about that - I doubt "hit" should be determined by the amount of financial losses to its creator. The lowly Wii, that everyone laughed off when it was launched, kicked the Xbox to the curb in sales (yet was profitable from day one). I remember one of the MS execs saying that the 360 absolutely had to succeed in Japan or the platform was in big trouble. Well, the 360 is in a distant third place (out of 3) in Japan. I doubt that's the kind of "success" they had in mind.


MS has already started making money on the Xbox hardware since couple of years ago. On top of that they also have a steady stream of income through the lucrative Xbox LIVE, a product which so many people are willingly paying for even though Sony has free online.

As for market share, I thought it didn't matter? or is that when we're just talking about macs. Let's get deeper into the stats

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/105/1058513p1.html

"A survey conducted by U.S. research firm Nielsen has revealed Microsoft's Xbox 360 is currently the most played console in terms of total usage minutes, coming in at 23.1 percent. Sony's PlayStation 2 came in second at 20.4 percent, and the Nintendo Wii at third with 19 percent.
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You also haven't answered my question. Why do so many Mac users choose to buy xbox? The fact that even the Mac users who demand so much "consumer user experience" are buying the Xbox in droves shows that MS can indeed understand the consumer market.

Xbox has been a huge success. The fact that even your brother has one says something.

But Microsoft seemed to think that winning in Japan was critical to the success (survival?) of their gaming platform, and a 3rd place finish (out of 3) isn't a "win."

Japan is a small market and is worth hardly anything. Apple has shown with ipod and iphone that you don't have to be successful in japan to be successful overall.
 
Jones

Major Eaton: Good God!

Brody: Yes, that's just what the Apple employees thought.

Colonel Musgrove: [pointing to the touch screen] Uh, now what's that supposed to be coming out of there?

Indiana: Video, Media, Interactive Gaming or somethin'.

Major Eaton: I'm beginning to understand Ballmer's interests in this.

Brody: Oh, yes. Ballmer speaks of the Tablet leveling marketplaces and laying waste to entire product lines. A CEO which carries the Tablet before him... is invincible... [ominously]
 
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