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Microsoft Completes Rollout of Basic iMessage Support on Windows 11

GMShadow said:
Bringing it cross platform defeats the encryption. Most Android devices are hacked bug ridden crap from Huawei, Xiaomi, and similar. And Windows support would just increase spam.
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Most popular messengers are cross-plattform, encrypted and have got spam under control.

And the encryption is about as defeated as bringing iMessage to macOS - oh wait, that exists already.
 
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Picapau21 said:
This is apple being apple. One of the biggest reasons I haven’t left OS x is the lack of proper iMessage support.
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Same. Which is the exact reason Apple has no desire to un-wall their tidy little electronic garden. For me and many of my peers, iMessage integration has become too essential a part of the workflow to abandon. In fact, with the recent focus Apple's put on facilitating remote work, I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually try to build iMessage out into something approaching a Slack competitor. (Although I also would be surprised, given Apple's lack of interest in any meaningful innovation within their mature products. We'll always get those new emjois, though :rolleyes:)
 
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mattaaron said:
huh? That's a close-minded way of looking at things.

Perhaps Apple doesn't bring iMessage to other platforms because of security/privacy (won't be encrypted anymore).
Maybe it's on Microsoft/Androids end to come up with a better solution to compete with iMessage.
No one knows the answer.

But if you don't like what Apple is doing by not having iMessage open, leave? No one is forcing you here and there's plenty of great alternative Apple products out there (Zune, Windows Mobile, Android watches and tables, Tile, SkullCandy headphones, Alexa speakers, FireTV/Boxee Box, Pandora/Napster, etc 🙃)
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Everyone knows the answer ready. Apple does it to lock in users.


REGULATION (EU) 2022/1925 OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL


Obligation for gatekeepers on interoperability of number-independent interpersonal communications services

1. Where a gatekeeper provides number independent interpersonal communications services that are listed in the designation decision pursuant to Article 3(9), it shall make the basic functionalities of its number-independent interpersonal communications services interoperable with the number-independent interpersonal communications services of another provider offering or intending to offer such services in the Union, by providing the necessary technical interfaces or similar solutions that facilitate interoperability, upon request, and free of charge.


The gatekeeper shall make at least the following basic functionalities referred to in paragraph 1 interoperable where the gatekeeper itself provides those functionalities to its own end users:


(a) following the listing in the designation decision pursuant to Article 3(9):


(1) end-to-end text messaging between two individual end users;


(ii) sharing of images, voice messages, videos and other attached files in end to end communication between two


individual end users:


  1. within 2 years from the designation:
    (1)
    end-to-end text messaging within groups of individual end users;
    (ii) sharing of images, voice messages, videos and other attached files in end-to-end communication between a group
    chat and an individual end user:
  2. within 4 years from the designation:
    (8)
    end-to-end voice calls between two individual end users:

(11)


end-to-end video calls between two individual end users;


(in) end-to-end voice calls between a group chat and an individual end user;


(iv) end-to-end video calls between a group chat and an individual end user.


The level of security, including the end-to-end encryption, where applicable, that the gatekeeper provides to its own


end users shall be preserved across the interoperable services.


The gatekeeper shall publish a reference offer laying down the technical details and general terms and conditions of interoperability with its number-independent interpersonal communications services, including the necessary details on the level of security and end-to-end encryption. The gatekeeper shall publish that reference offer within the period laid down in Article 3(10) and update it where necessary.


Following the publication of the reference offer pursuant to paragraph 4, any provider of number-independent interpersonal communications services offering or intending to offer such services in the Union may request interoperability with the number-independent interpersonal communications services provided by the gatekeeper. Such a request may cover some or all of the basic functionalities listed in paragraph 2. The gatekeeper shall comply with any reasonable request for interoperability within 3 months atter receiving that request by rendering the requested basic functionalities operational.


The Commission may, exceptionally, upon a reasoned request by
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But no worries. EU have fixed this already so prepare for ios 16

Laughs in eiropean baguette and meatball languages.

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jz0309 said:
nonsense.
Among all households in 2016, 89 percent had a computer, which includes smartphones, and 81 per- cent had a broadband Internet subscription.
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He said use, not own. My wife owns a 2022 MacBook Air. Before that she had a 2017 MacBook Air. She had another MacBook Air before that. The point is she buys a new MacBook every 3 to 5 years. She uses them less than once a month. She just doesn’t want to be without a real computer even though she barely uses it. I suspect there are a substantial number of those households that fit that same description.
 
jz0309 said:
I don't miss Windows, just sayin ... LOL
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I do. I miss it when I'm trying to do something important at work.
Like trying to choose from a broad selection of apps for ModBus, or for SNMP MIB files or trying to connect a Moxa interface or countless other industrial apps and processes and equipment.
I get on site with my Mac, and then it's a pain in the butt to get Parallels up and working with it without unloading drivers and generally looking very unprofessional.

But then the oposite is true when I don't need Windows.

I guess I'm saying I try not to fanboy myself on to one platform. ... LOL
 
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H2SO4 said:
I do. I miss it when I'm trying to do something important at work.
Like trying to choose from a broad selection of apps for ModBus, or for SNMP MIB files or trying to connect a Moxa interface or countless other industrial apps and processes and equipment.
I get on site with my Mac, and then it's a pain in the butt to get Parallels up and working with it without unloading drivers and generally looking very unprofessional.

But then the oposite is true when I don't need Windows.

I guess I'm saying I try not to fanboy myself on to one platform. ... LOL
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Thankfully I only need a good SSH/SCP when I go on-site with my Mac. SecureCRT/FX is my favorite. USB-C console cables work great as well.

I have Zero need for Windows in my life.
 
mrow said:
He said use, not own. My wife owns a 2022 MacBook Air. Before that she had a 2017 MacBook Air. She had another MacBook Air before that. The point is she buys a new MacBook every 3 to 5 years. She uses them less than once a month. She just doesn’t want to be without a real computer even though she barely uses it. I suspect there are a substantial number of those households that fit that same description.
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Interesting story. And what do you prove with this example?

Thera a bunch of thins that people do on a computer because it's easier. And still having imessage on windows is 100% good for the consumer so what's the problem?
 
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gaximus said:
It has to have Bluetooth connection, this is the same implementation that my Tesla has with my phone, its not iMessages, its just bluetooth texted messaging, through your phone. I assume you'd be able to do the same thing with Android, right? what about this makes it iMessage? Do you log in with your AppleID?
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This should have been added to the article, because that's exactly what this is. And I commend Microsoft for doing this, with Apple being as inflexible as ever. This is about as much as you can do. For the record: it's been about 8 years since WhatsApp Web launched, and Apple still doesn't have a proper way to have messages available on laptop and desktop. Even on macOS it's flaky at times.

Don't get me wrong, I love all my Apple products, but Apple is so stupidly stubborn at times that they're losing opportunity to engage more users.
 
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Its a nice idea, but not drag and dropping of images etc would make life hard.

I'm very thankful for the Mac ecosystem - it has made my working life and personal life infinitely more productive that it would have on a PC. Being able to text from my computer without limitations is massive.
 
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mpkossen said:
This should have been added to the article, because that's exactly what this is. And I commend Microsoft for doing this, with Apple being as inflexible as ever. This is about as much as you can do. For the record: it's been about 8 years since WhatsApp Web launched, and Apple still doesn't have a proper way to have messages available on laptop and desktop. Even on macOS it's flaky at times.

Don't get me wrong, I love all my Apple products, but Apple is so stupidly stubborn at times that they're losing opportunity to engage more users.
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There is little to no advantage for Apple to open iMessages to Windows, other than saying it is open.
 
GMShadow said:
Bringing it cross platform defeats the encryption. Most Android devices are hacked bug ridden crap from Huawei, Xiaomi, and similar. And Windows support would just increase spam.

Apple is under no obligation to open iMessage.
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Cross platform doesn't defeat encryption, though integrating through Google messages would. The solution is entirely available to Apple, make an app for Android with encryption.

Continuing to send unencrypted messages to Android phones rather than creating an iMessage app on Android is ludicrous. Apple is actively harming their customers to maintain a competitive advantage.
 
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I was intrigued by this, since I am using a Windows PC at work and struggling with a usable workflow... But it sounds so wonky.

But I have been giving Beeper a test run, and it allows me to sync iMessages and respond on Windows 10. Other than not having contacts synced, it's really solid.
 
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