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Microsoft Edge 89 Brings Vertical Tabs and New History View

Well once macOS locks down just like iOS, wonder if those browsers would still around. Heck, Apple can ban people from using all other browsers and only allow safari.

Rant aside, I haven’t tried this new version yet, and Windows side does not get an updated version with vertical tab support. With that being said, vertical tab should work great for website that still somewhat adhere the aspect ratio when 1024*768 was popular.
 
why would anyone install that? is it somehow compulsory to use this in some weird setting?
 
NZP said:
why would anyone install that? is it somehow compulsory to use this in some weird setting?
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Lack of proper (and free) Extensions support, rendering issues with specific websites or cross-platform support for example.
 
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Shirasaki said:
Well once macOS locks down just like iOS, wonder if those browsers would still around. Heck, Apple can ban people from using all other browsers and only allow safari.

Rant aside, I haven’t tried this new version yet, and Windows side does not get an updated version with vertical tab support. With that being said, vertical tab should work great for website that still somewhat adhere the aspect ratio when 1024*768 was popular.
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Don't worry. When Apple imposes tougher security criteria, all browsers will show up in Apple's App Store for macOS as well. After all, this has already happened for iOS (Firefox, Chrome etc)...

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The browser distributors are not doing this voluntarily, because it takes away "freedoms" that are certainly not in your or mine personal interest.

Another topic:
In general, more browsers are rather a disadvantage for all of us:
Because every browser will develop its own html-dialect in order to generate unique selling points.
This means that in the future, more and more browsers will be needed to open certain pages.
Apple never wanted that. It has relied on transparent html6 (html7 starting this year) and just installed tracking barriers. Good for us.
Nowadays many websites already just serve browsers that have e.g. no barriers for tracking/advertising.
Besides, site creators will have to proove more and more different browsers, which will eventually become uneconomical and you will always have broken performance when "free" surfing, no matter which browser you use...

Edge will of course (deservedly) be one of the hopefully few surviving browsers.
 
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Safari 14 has lots of issues on older macOS versions (like Mojave) which Apple does not seem interested in fixing. Other browsers are not tied to the OS version like Apple apps are. I've been testing many alternatives and Edge is a strong contender at becoming my new default browser.
 
Morgenland said:
Oh wow, you are quite a wild boy...
It's OK to be enthusiastic about Microsoft here if it makes you happy or makes you money.
But please allow other opinions, considerations and aspects. This is a free forum!
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There is a HUGE difference between voicing your opinion and displaying that you don't know anything about the product you're talking about. Especially since it comes from a company named microsoft. As I said before, your first question, and actually all of them, just show that you can't even do the baseline research.
 
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phr0z3n said:
Are you saying that the version of Office on the MAS might have security issues?
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Of course. Cloud based systems are just tricky.
What world do you live in? You realized the basic situation years ago, at the latest, when you heard about Snowden. Skype, Microsoft etc...
Of course, the debate has shifted somewhat in the meantime, but from where is the world supposed to have become whole and safe and paradisiacal again?
 
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Morgenland said:
Don't worry. When Apple imposes tougher security criteria, all macOS browsers will show up in Apple's App Store for macOS as well. After all, this has already happened for iOS.
The browser distributors are not doing this voluntarily, because it takes away "freedoms" that are certainly not in your or mine personal interest.

Another topic:
In general, more browsers are rather a disadvantage for all of us:
Because every browser will develop its own html-dialect in order to generate unique selling points.
This means that in the future, more and more browsers will be needed to open certain pages.
Apple never wanted that. It has relied on clear html and just installed tracking barriers. Good for us.
Nowadays many websites will only serve browsers that have e.g. no barriers for tracking/advertising.
Besides, site creators will have to proove more and more different browsers, which will eventually become uneconomical and you will always have broken performance when "free" surfing, no matter which browser you use...
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Yeah, because it is definitely in the consumers interest if Apple mandates which software one can install and which software one cannot... Don't know for sure if you are trolling or not.
Also I would not bet on it that Apple will lock down macOS as they already do with iOS (at least I hope so), as I am sure a lot of developers will simply stop developing software for the mac platform, and with outdated or missing software users will be forced to switch to different platforms, which in the end might just simply kill macOS.
I don't know why so many people are afraid of installing software that was not reviewed by Apple and therefore want macOS locked down. If you don't want to install software outside from the MAS, then simply don't or use an iPad. The rest of us know how to securely get and install software outside the MAS.
 
edgonzalez32 said:
There is a HUGE difference between voicing your opinion and displaying that you don't know anything about the product you're talking about. Especially since it comes from a company named microsoft. As I said before, your first question, and actually all of them, just show that you can't even do the baseline research.
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I do not want to develop your world any further, kiss!
 
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Edge has been great for me. After seeing chromeisbad.com, I removed Chrome from my aging 2014 MacBook Air and replaced it with Edge.

It went from borderline unusably slow to tolerable. I was ready to buy an M1 MBA and get rid of mine because it was so bad, but now I feel I can stick with it at least until the M1X 14” MBP or longer.
 
xflashx said:
Yeah, because it is definitely in the consumers interest if Apple mandates which software one can install and which software one cannot... Don't know for sure if you are trolling or not.
Also I would not bet on it that Apple will lock down macOS as they already do with iOS (at least I hope so), as I am sure a lot of developers will simply stop developing software for the mac platform, and with outdated or missing software users will be forced to switch to different platforms, which in the end might just simply kill macOS.
I don't know why so many people are afraid of installing software that was not reviewed by Apple and therefore want macOS locked down. If you don't want to install software outside from the MAS, then simply don't or use an iPad. The rest of us know how to securely get and install software outside the MAS.
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I don't want to affect your self-confidence. Continue to feel reassured and strong, my dear...
 
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Morgenland said:
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used RAM for the basic application
Of course, this is the lower range. Of course, it depends on the overall load, e.g. if you load many tabs at the same time.
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That’s just for the main Safari process. Safari runs each tab in it’s own process so in activity monitor each tab appears as “Safari Web Content”. You’ll have to add up the memory consumption of all those Safari web content processes plus the main safari process.
 
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That’s just for the main Safari process. Safari runs each tab in it’s own process so in activity monitor each tab appears as “Safari Web Content”. You’ll have to add up the memory consumption of all those Safari web content processes plus the main safari process.
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You're right, therefore I wrote "basic application".
If you want to map RAM needs, you either have to load a large number of defined pages or focus on the basic needs of the application.
 
Chompineer said:
Ultrawide is 21:9.



Sounds like you’re stuck in the past. The chromium based edge is better than Chrome, and very light in resources. I exclusively use it on my Mac, Safari has too many compatibility issues and doesn’t sync with my windows PC.
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I'll second that. Safari is becming less and less compatible every year. I do like the side tabs, reminds me of Omniweb from way back.
 
xflashx said:
Ah I see, a person who believes to know everything better than everybody here on this forum. On my ignore list.
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So you reduce your vision on 'everybody' and stay among 'everybody" and feel strong.
I've recognized 5 extremely noticeable Edge friends here, others are still unbiased and curious and interested in thoughts. And curious means you can still learn something. Good luck for you, kiss
 
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Morgenland said:
Why?
- Can Edge also synch all bookmarks on all devices (macOS and iOS?)
- Does it block ads as effectively (plug-in) and secure (native script analysis) as Safari?
- After deleting the application, does it leave as much data junk and support data as Chrome, for example?
- It it a MS$ gift without ulterior motives?
- Is it optimized for speed? (new Apple CPU?; Microsoft Visual Studio with Official Apple Silicon Support has only been available since today.)
- What disadvantage with Safari's history view or even their bookmark management should I learn to see?

These are the thoughts you have when you live under a rock ;-)
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You should take a second look at MS. Under Nadela they have changed a lot. I worked at MS 2006-2010 writing code in the Windows division and the company deserved the "M$" title then. And I have a number of friends that still work there. It's changed without Balmer at the head.

Everything from VS Code, an open source IDE based on an open source editor from another company. Edge is the same, they ditched the old IE engine for a modern one that was clearly better developed by their rival Google. And SQL Server runs on Linux? To say nothing of the collaboration with Ubuntu over the past few years (although Ubuntu seems to be having a mid-life crisis and that is making things shaky).

And take a look at the packet captures that get sent back from each browser. The payload in edge is a machine hardware profile. Chrome send that, plus a cookie list, dns requests, network traffic round trip times, IP geolocation, and more! Chrome is creepy.

And the App Nutrition Label stuff that Apple is doing, MS was all over it. Google, still dragging their heels.

I know its weird, but MS is getting a better "plays well with others" mark on their report card. And I'd argue doing a better job protecting and serving their customers.
 
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The area of space taken up by vertical tabs compared to horizontal is considerable. I don't really see the trade-off to losing all that space. But hey, choices are good.
 
mzeb said:
You should take a second look at MS. Under Nadela they have changed a lot. I worked at MS 2006-2010 writing code in the Windows division and the company deserved the "M$" title then. And I have a number of friends that still work there. It's changed without Balmer at the head.

Everything from VS Code, an open source IDE based on an open source editor from another company. Edge is the same, they ditched the old IE engine for a modern one that was clearly better developed by their rival Google. And SQL Server runs on Linux? To say nothing of the collaboration with Ubuntu over the past few years (although Ubuntu seems to be having a mid-life crisis and that is making things shaky).

And take a look at the packet captures that get sent back from each browser. The payload in edge is a machine hardware profile. Chrome send that, plus a cookie list, dns requests, network traffic round trip times, IP geolocation, and more! Chrome is creepy.

And the App Nutrition Label stuff that Apple is doing, MS was all over it. Google, still dragging their heels.

I know its weird, but MS is getting a better "plays well with others" mark on their report card. And I'd argue doing a better job protecting and serving their customers.
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I am glad to read your very nuanced and multi-faceted statement.
You actually managed to make me a bit curious about Edge. 🤝
 
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