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Microsoft Edge Looks Set to Overtake Safari as World's Second Most Popular Desktop Browser
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Chrome: MMM. Love RAM (munch, munch, belch, munch...)
There is something about the Chromium engine that makes it write happy on SSDs...even on Windows.Waht does your 2nd paragraph even mean? What is PWA / PWA installation . what is a a web app ? what is the difference between a web app and an app like experience ? Have you got any examples ?
what are these 'features ' ? I find chrome really annoying to use. Perhaps they could make safari more like vivaldi, that actually has some features. Example: separate search box. the way safari insists on searching the internet for local network names and addresses kills me. Then it alters the address bar. So i have to retype it in again . Chrome isn't that much better . Surely having an address bar and a search bar just makes more sense ?
Both Safari and Edge are great browsers. With more Windows computers, Edge can overtake Safari soon.
Is this something that matters to me as a user of Safari?
If it was the 50th most popular browser and I was using it, I might have some issues.
But Safari is always going to be the top two (top three at worst) on my Mac and it's the default, it's likely going to always have decent support, right?
If it was the 50th most popular browser and I was using it, I might have some issues.
But Safari is always going to be the top two (top three at worst) on my Mac and it's the default, it's likely going to always have decent support, right?
Wow! I'm incredibly surprised that anyone uses chrome, much less that its almost 70%! Holy crap! I would have thought the the majority was still on IE and edge was slowly taking over it's dominance as people updated windows. How are sooooo many people using google spyware as their everyday browser?!
Right?! And I use NONE of it. I actively avoid google products and services. And you know what I get? No creepy targeted ads. None.
I'm stating the obvious, but one thing that really helps Edge is the large Windows users base, which dominates the desktop space. Edge is probably "good enough" that a lot of people won't bother to search out alternatives. (IE had the same advantage, but it reached the point where a lot of people got tired of IE issues of one sort or another, and ditched it.)
I have worried about the possible demise of Firefox. And I don't think it would be a good thing for the Internet. It's not healthy having one solution entirely control something critical. Competition helps improve products.
Being better than IE is not a really a huge achievement.
Steve would be rolling in his grave... however, Apple's software quality isn't what it used to be, but still better than competitors.
“Matters are different on mobile platforms, where Safari has a more secure position in second place with a 26.71 percent market share. Despite Safari being the default browser on the iPhone and iPad, Chrome still dominates both iOS and Android with a market share of 62.06 percent. StatCounter suggests that Edge's mobile presence is comparatively diminutive even though it has been downloaded 10 million times on the Google Play Store.”
Does anyone know how much % of people use chrome on IOS? I think that 62.06% is for both android and IOS combined, I couldn’t adjust the graphic to get the data I wanted.
Does anyone know how much % of people use chrome on IOS? I think that 62.06% is for both android and IOS combined, I couldn’t adjust the graphic to get the data I wanted.
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It is a news site with a news feed, that changes over time. Quite often it shows the typical safari message „an error occurred“
I made a screenshot esp for you in the morning, when the same thing happend using an iPad
believe me - this happens constantly on various sites. Safari became such a mess ….
And another one (this time macOS BiG S) ....
And finally Edge on macOS Big S ....
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Yes. I've made this video to answer your question. It is faster for me than put it in writing ...
Honestly Apple should rebase Safari on Chromium like Microsoft did with the Edge browser.
And why not? All of those are based on Blink and Blink is a WebKit fork.
Guess there is no other way to enter competition again.
Apple should ask itself, why other WebKit based browsers gained huge demand and success, while Safari didn't?
And why not? All of those are based on Blink and Blink is a WebKit fork.
Guess there is no other way to enter competition again.
Apple should ask itself, why other WebKit based browsers gained huge demand and success, while Safari didn't?
At least you have 44 tabs opened in Chrome. Here's MacOS using 10GB with nothing running.
Looks like you don't know how macOS memory management works. Don't worry though, most have no need to - but it is probably best if you don't publicly point at things when you don't know what they mean.
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Macfan boy that I am, I have to agree. I still have Safari as my default browser, but boy is it frustrating.... especially when trying to check that my own websites are working properly, and it's not Safari or some extension.
Microsoft Edge is on the verge of overtaking Safari as the world's second most popular desktop browser, web analytics service StatCounter reports (via TechRadar).
According to the data, Microsoft Edge is now used on 9.54 percent of desktops worldwide, a mere 0.3 percent behind Apple's Safari, which stands at 9.84 percent. Google Chrome continues to hold first place with an overwhelming 65.38 percent of the market. Mozilla Firefox takes fourth place with 9.18 percent.
In January 2021, Safari held a 10.38 percent market share and appears to be gradually losing users to rival browsers over time. If the trend continues, Apple is likely to slip to third or fourth place in the near future. Edge and Chrome are now both Chromium-based browsers, meaning that Chromium will likely come to dominate the top two desktop browsers.
While Edge appears to be set to overtake Safari on a global scale, in North America, Safari is in a stronger position, being used on 16.87 percent of desktops compared to Edge's 11.93 percent market share. In Europe, Edge has already surpassed Safari, taking 10.9 percent of the market compared to Safari's 9.95 percent. The data is similar in Asia, where Safari's 5.41 percent market share trails behind Edge's 7.46 percent.
Matters are different on mobile platforms, where Safari has a more secure position in second place with a 26.71 percent market share. Despite Safari being the default browser on the iPhone and iPad, Chrome still dominates both iOS and Android with a market share of 62.06 percent. StatCounter suggests that Edge's mobile presence is comparatively diminutive even though it has been downloaded 10 million times on the Google Play Store.
Safari has been met with complaints from some users in recent years over the browser's bugs, user experience, and website compatibility. Apple's Safari team recently asked for feedback amid accusations that "Safari is the worst, it's the new IE."
The problems reached fever pitch last year when Apple unveiled a substantial redesign for Safari at WWDC, which was met with widespread criticism that accused the changes of being "counterintuitive." After months of tweaking the ambitious redesign in response to feedback, Apple eventually gave up on the changes just before the public release of iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and macOS Monterey, reverting to the previous Safari design by default.
Article Link: Microsoft Edge Looks Set to Overtake Safari as World's Second Most Popular Desktop Browser
I wouldn't like Apple to make Safari Chromium based.
I chose Firefox because it's not Chromium, and Safari is just too buggy at the moment.
Apart from the search engine which is good, I'm staying away from Google.
i honestly dont get why people stress so much or see much difference in browsers.
i like having a browser, it doesnt really matter which one it is, they all do the same thing on a mac/iphone.
on my mac, its easy, i have safari. ive never seen something and thought ooh that browser does that better. wait i tell a lie, i do have a copy of edge too, but only because i use a VPN for british tv among other things, and its easier to have it just as an extension on another browser and always on rather than have it as an on/off switch for the whole mac. i dont see anything about edge that would make me want to change to it.
if instead of safari i just had edge, or chrome, it would be fine, id neither be happier nor less happy.
on my phone, i just use safari. it works.
what i hate is on my work windows pc, i have to have nearly all browsers as the work systems have all been designed by different companies at different times and run either exclusively or better on one browser.. the old sales system only works on IE. the website CMS only works reliably on Chrome. the reservations system for some reason works best on Chromium. and Edge is the default browser which i cant change.
i read about browsers being 'faster' 'more powerful' but tbh they all do the same for me.
i like having a browser, it doesnt really matter which one it is, they all do the same thing on a mac/iphone.
on my mac, its easy, i have safari. ive never seen something and thought ooh that browser does that better. wait i tell a lie, i do have a copy of edge too, but only because i use a VPN for british tv among other things, and its easier to have it just as an extension on another browser and always on rather than have it as an on/off switch for the whole mac. i dont see anything about edge that would make me want to change to it.
if instead of safari i just had edge, or chrome, it would be fine, id neither be happier nor less happy.
on my phone, i just use safari. it works.
what i hate is on my work windows pc, i have to have nearly all browsers as the work systems have all been designed by different companies at different times and run either exclusively or better on one browser.. the old sales system only works on IE. the website CMS only works reliably on Chrome. the reservations system for some reason works best on Chromium. and Edge is the default browser which i cant change.
i read about browsers being 'faster' 'more powerful' but tbh they all do the same for me.
Thanks. Great answer.
maybe it's the age of me oe something but I fail to see the advantage or benefit of this, is it the young crowd reinventing the non tabbed browser experience again ?
So now instead of a browser, that has a list of book marks, to my sites/'apps' I can install the website as an app, remove all the browser stuff, (if the browser stuff is still there, its' now all hidden? , i mean things like the right click menu, plugins etc)
Then I have to call it up with spotlight or create a shortcut somewhere and have loads of windows about the place instead of everything neatly in a browser window ?
So now i can pretend im on windows 98 with MSIE6 and juggle 6 different browser 'apps' instead ? What's next, adding tabs to my window manager so I can group all these apps ? instead of just having s couple of browser open ?
It seems these things come in cycles, everything is an application (as they were once called) then stuff goes onto the web. Then people forget and now stuff is coming back to 'apps' at least in looks.
Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I can't see me using this at all. So I have the You tube app open as shown here. Can open a new tabs? can i queue up a shortlist of video to watch by middle clicking ? what if I wanna search something can I select and right click and search ? does this open *another* window separate from my youtube app ? Breaking context .
Ugh. There's about another dozen problems and questions I have off the top of my head. I kinda feel dirty even just having watched this video.
i mean chrome and safari are trying their damdest to remove the address bar, and any menus and any options from the browser already. Personlly I use safari since the ios and keychain integration is nice. Othewise I use vivaldi on mac and windows and linux it's by far the best 'real' browser that hasn't how to say 'web 2.0-a-fied' it self yet. It still has an actual address bar that shows me the actual address. Safari doesn't do that. Neither does chrome.
I think the main reason is because most people don't know or care how Google collects user data, and feel they haven't experienced any negative effects from it. Many simply feel that Chrome works best for their needs. Additionally, Google has several other popular products (search, Android, ChromeOS, Gmail, etc.) that allow them to push/promote Chrome as a browser. Even Apple essentially endorses/promotes Google by making it the default search engine.
If Apple were to give up on the Safari browser, which I don't see happening anytime soon, it wouldn't surprise me to see them select Chrome (for the right price, of course) as the default browser for Apple products.
As far as IE and Edge go, by the time the original Edge browser launched in 2015, IE worldwide desktop usage had already dropped below 20% and continued to decline rapidly from there.
But why? All the work included is WebKit based (Blink). And Chromium isn't Chrome. Like Microsoft Apple would have to remove everything related to Google and replace it with Apples functionality.
Apple could fork Blink, name it WebKit3 and is good to go. Chromium can be the base of a Safari with all the functionality Apple blocked and refused, like PWA.
I don't think Apple manages to get out of this mess very fast. Sometimes you have to rebase and restart.
