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How is the Samsung display? 1080p dispalys are just so cheap compared to 1920 x 1200.

Well, it's a cheap display, but this is only my home office, so I'm not that fussy.

I am actually pretty satisfied with the display. I had an old Apple one but it was getting too old. The Samsung has a built-in Freeview tuner, so I could watch TV in the background. But I don't. :)
I used to use this with my previous unibody MB (on the second picture) as that had the worst quality screen ever, so an external display was a must-buy. With the mid-2009 13" MBP, the higher resolution comes very handy.


Now I want an anti-glare i3 or i5. If Apple won't have it for a reasonable price, I'll go Dell. I haven't checked competitors' computer prices for over five years, but now I reached the point when some Apple fanatics annoy the hell out of me, so I'm almost embarrassed to take my Macs outside of the office or my home. Going on and on about computer hardware and listening to the insults that some people throw at others on the basis of their computer hardware is making me sick.

Also, Apple's prices for portables reached a ridiculous level. Yesterday, I checked the i3 and i5 prices on Dell's site. The price of a noisy and old MacBook Air that I sold is enough for a 15" i5 with aluminium body and anti-glare display. I don't care much about other specs. I just want a reasonably fast, future-proof computer that I don't have to spend a fortune for. I've had enough of Apple's defective products and frustrating omissions too.
 
Have they got these?

Thanks for the best laugh I have had all week. You are hilarious! Can I suggest you take advantage of the universal health care Great Britain has to offer and get a prescription for Prozac? I have to move on now. This has flown way off topic and over the cuckoo's nest.
 
Thanks for the best laugh I have had all week. You are hilarious! Can I suggest you take advantage of the universal health care Great Britain has to offer and get a prescription for Prozac? I have to move on now. This has flown way off topic and over the cuckoo's nest.

1.) In the UK, it's not Prozac, it has a different name, I think.

2.) Why don't you post a picture of your Mac Mini or whatever you have. Put something funny on it!

3.) You should have moved on before you got defeated.

4.) You questioned my statements and called me all sorts of things on the basis that I'm not happy to approve the insulting that you throw at people. It's your turn. Show me what you've got that makes you so superior! Ironically, you a claim to be a recent 'convert'. Your avatar reveals that you used to be a Linux user. Now you claim to be a Mac user. One day, you might 'turn' again and make a big deal out of using a better OS than others.

But still... "pictures, or it never happened"!
 
I like OSX better than Windows7 in most areas, but some things I'm seeing by Mac people don't make sense.

Exposé, Spaces, Quicklook, Time Machine, Dashboard, Stacks, CoreGraphics, CoreAudio, Multi-Touch Trackpad/Magic Pad, Voice-Over, etc. are all timeless productivity enhancers.

Those didn't come out in Snow Leopard. What you quoted suggested nothing groundbreaking happened in Snow Leopard and that is quite correct. OpenCL and Grand Central aren't even properly utilized by Apple's own software for goodness sake (e.g. FCP won't even properly use TWO cores, let alone 4 or 12).

What a bunch of uninformed nonsense.

The "trucks" thing was not calling computers names. It's true. In the future, most people will get the Internet on portable devices. You'll only need desktops or even laptops in numbers much like are out there now. The growth is all in iPads and iPhones and whatever's next.

They're definitely working on 10.7.

You call what he said "uninformed nonsense" and then what do you reply with? 2nd rate "me too" OPINIONS that might as well be quoting Master Steve word-for-word. Sorry, but mobile devices are not ergonomic and so you'd have to be out of your mind to use one at home when you could use a perfectly nice ergonomic full powered desktop that can handle more than just web pages. Notebooks and desktops aren't going to disappear ANY time soon. Jobs is getting about 10-15 years ahead of himself and the "truck" comment is ridiculous unless you realize that pickup trucks are EXTREMELY COMMON and they're not going away any time soon either.

There is simply no reason that home and mobile devices cannot live comfortably side-by-side. The problem with Jobs is he clearly believes no one needs a powerful desktop anymore. Given most fanboy comments (they seem to make up about somewhere between 20-40% of Apple's customers) that show no real knowledge of computers, I'd say he's probably a third right. Most fanboys don't need real computers. They don't do anything on them that would require any power.

I am new Mac convert this year. When I first hooked up my Mac and I noticed the icon to my Buffalo Link Station Samba share in the Finder, it was funny as hell because I noticed that the icon to the windoze share was a monitor with the blue screen of death. LMFAO! That pretty much summed up what I went through from windoze 3.1 to XP. Today I really like how I spend zero minutes trouble shooting my Mac as opposed to the days I spent doing clean installs as a result of a corrupted windoze OS. I have more time to laugh at the comments on this forum from windoze huggers.

Wait awhile. Macs freeze too. Both my older PowerMac and my less than two year old Macbook Pro have both suffered from both the odd nonsensical "freeze" (whereby something is still running in the core, but the interface freezes and often the main screen windows as well, but no "failure" is registered upon a reboot) and the Mac's own equivalent of the "blue screen of death" which is known as a kernel panic. My hand-built XP machine doesn't crash half as much so this NONSENSE that Macs don't freeze, crash or otherwise have similar problems to Windows is just that, PURE NONSENSE.

I have NEVER EVER had to do a clean install of XP and I have two machines (including one Mac) running it. I have had to restore from backup both of my Macs before. Thankfully, that IS easy to do with Carbon Copy Cloner, but once again, the Mac isn't bullet proof as you like to intimate with your "zero minute" nonsense. One of the two times was caused by Apple's own Software Update corrupting the Leopard system (well documented problem awhile back). Thank goodness I DID have it backed up or I would have been SOL. Win98 was nice that almost all corruptions could be fixed with a simple re-install over top of itself without losing any installed software. XP lost that, but I've never had to re-install it on my own machine whereas Win98 was very unstable. However, the Mac OS at the time was OS9 and I still have it installed on my PowerMac so I can boot into it if I want. It's INSANELY UNSTABLE, much worse than Win98, so fanboys have no room to talk about those years, IMO.

I've also never had a virus on any of my Windows machines in 10 years time. I know people who did, but they were pretty unscrupulous about web sites they visited and other risky behaviors. I don't even leave my virus scanner running all the time because it slows the system down. Still never had a virus to this day.

... they've certainly been duds in 10.6.... ;)

Since less than half of OSX users are on 10.6, you can't blame software vendors for not rewriting everything for 10.6-only features. But, in 2013 when 10.7 ships - it might be reasonable to update with 10.6-and-later APIs.


Given they dumped 1/3 of ALL their users with 10.6 permanantly (at least without having to buy a new computer; a nice thing Apple tries to force on people more and more frequently these days now giving less than 2 years support to all their hardware as the new GPU card for the Mac Pro proves on top of the previous iOS updates that ditch less than 3 year old hardware), I'd say you have somewhat of a point. But the real problem is that Grand Central is kind of USELESS without software rewrites. What does it do for Final Cut Pro??? NOTHING. It STILL won't use more than 1 core for most operations. If you have to rewrite to use it, then it's not so great after all. In point of FACT, Snow Leopard actually runs a bit SLOWER than Leopard. So much for "optimizations" and "efficiency" changes. The only thing they 'optimized' was saving hard drive space by dumping PPC code. Everything else slowed down. My M-Audio MIDI interface STILL doesn't work quite right in Snow Leopard (I have to manually pull the USB cable after starting logic to get it to sync right). It's always nice when Apple breaks all kinds of software in OS updates and you have NOTHING to show for it (not faster, no real new features, etc., just a major dump of PPC machines).

The problem with Windows users on this forum is when they start talking about Macs without a relevant experience of using them, and those are the huge majority.

Personally I’ve used Windows at work for 10+ years and prior to that on Macs for a few years. With all the objectivity that I’m capable of, I came to a simple conclusion: Windows sucks.

No, the problem on here is that most Mac users on here have never really used Windows machines except maybe at work or school or something. I've used both and Linux as well. Win98 DID suck except for running games, but OS9 sucked worse, IMO. XP isn't that bad, but it's not as intuitive as OSX. Vista DID suck big time because it slowed things to a crawl and didn't work with much hardware for a long time. Windows7 is actually pretty decent. I still prefer the OSX interface, but OSX has some problems of its own like totally CRAPPY graphics support (from drivers to ancient versions of OpenGL) that result in completely TERRIBLE frame rates from equivalent software, gaming being the most obvious thing. But instead of admitting this, most Mac "fans" just denounce games as a waste of time or they use their Xbox or some other drivel. When people cannot admit the faults of their own operating system they have no business "discussing" ANYTHING because they're obviously completely biased and emotionally charged and therefore have nothing objective to say.

It makes no sense to me why all you windoze huggers are here on this forum trying to tell us that windoze is better than OSX.

Here's a prime example. When this guy refers to anyone who might use Windows as "windoze (sic) huggers" he immediately loses 100% all credibility of anything he has to say. He clearly has no objectivity and feels the need to use insults instead of solid arguments to make his point. The post is worthless. It pretty much says, "I hate Windows. Go away Windows people!" Well gee, I use BOTH and I'm far from a "hugger" of any kind. I mean does that make him an OSX "hugger"? No, that's right, we call someone like him a "fanboy".

Gamers weren't the targeted group with that Ad campaign. More like the average family in california, who takes snaps of the son's baseball game, movie clips of the latest Disney World trip, etc, and want to send a nicely edited DVD to Grandma to Florida. And those things were much much easier and faster to do on a MAC with the iLife suit. Windows didn't have anything by a long shot.
And that is a fact.

Yeah, like "average" people don't "game". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Steve Jobs doesn't game so I don't game! (puts fingers in ears) La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. ;)

The point is that saying the user base doesn't "want" or "use" (like they can use it if it's not available) a given feature is a POOR EXCUSE for it being missing in the operating system. Steve's initial excuse about licensing simply isn't valid anymore and nearly 5 years after BD came out, it's starting to just look BAD that the "most advanced operating system in the world" doesn't support such a basic feature. Similarly, the "most advanced operating system in the world" has an ANCIENT (in computing terms) version of OpenGL on it. It's embarrassing for Apple to make claims that just don't make sense. How about they actually make it the most advanced OS by adding/addressing such basic deficiencies? Apple is LOADED with excess cash. They clearly have the resources to do this RIGHT so they should stop making lame excuses and simply hire the people and license the technologies needed to TRULY make that statement true. Snow Leopard was SUPPOSED to optimize, etc. so why didn't it add the latest OpenGL and optimize the video drivers and add BD support, etc.? Some of those things aren't rocket science. It's simply putting out the money to get the developers to do the work instead of focusing on *NOTHING BUT* PHONES all the darn time!


No, you should just use the digital copy of the movie that is being included in nearly every major release these days.

Oh, you mean that iTunes SD version that typically has bad compression with no dolby digital audio that sounds like crap on a real system? Yeah, that's a GREAT alternative to Blu-Ray there baby! :rolleyes:

Blu-Ray: What's the point of watching Blu-ray on a laptop screen? I have a 42-inch TV for that. :D

So all Mac and PC users have nothing but laptops now? Ever hear of a Home Theater PC? (I know a lot of Mac Mini owners like them for that use.) Ever hear of a docking monitor? Ever hear of a desktop machine? I've seen monitors in the 30"+ range and ANY HDTV can act as a monitor up to its native resolution as well. My projector downstairs takes VGA, DVI, HDMI and RGB inputs.

More to the point, a modern OS should support modern standards. BD is pretty darn cheap to license at this point (<$30 per PC and that's only if includes a BD drive; so someone OPTING to get BD could foot the bill and it wouldn't hurt anyone else that doesn't want it). Steve has decided FOR YOU that you don't want BD (for any reason). He couldn't have any ulterior motives there (cough iTunes cough). The problem is there isn't jack squat to buy (or rent unless you have ATV) in HD off iTunes after 3+ years and it's still only 720p. So Steve essentially decided you should use a non-viable option as an alternative and that Mac users basically don't WANT HD movies (or at least he cannot deliver them from the studios). Either way, that makes it all the more ridiculous that you cannot get a reasonable selection of HD movies for the Mac operating system (and MakeMKV is not an official or legal method and it is both time consuming and the movies take up a LOT of space on the hard drive, which you can then not delete without having to do it all over again should you ever want to watch the movie on your Mac again).
 
IMO, this whole "PC vs Mac" thing is stupid. PC is an abbreviation for "Personal Computer", not a computer running Windows. I also find Microsoft's PC vs Mac advertising campaign misleading. Their commercials show features that can be done with a software, then it's like "get a f---ing PC", and the end.
 
I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous.

Plus, on my Mac, I can browse ANY site without worrying abut viruses. The PC my Dad had? Viruses. All the freaking time. He had to go through hell, fixing the computers over and over, and wasting money on new ones.

I'd also have to say that OS X is better than 7... I used 7 the other day at the Best Buy. It crashed, so I went over to the Macs.

Freaking PCs, man. >_>

Also, I love these people play the "Moar peeple hav pcs lol so macs suk lol" game. Fo' seriously, Macs are expensive. Of course people are going to go with a PC... they need a computer, but they just can't afford, even if they wanted it.
 
How is the Samsung display? 1080p dispalys are just so cheap compared to 1920 x 1200.

Of course they're cheap - 1080p is crap compared to 16x10 ;) .... Losing 120 pixels, especially in vertical, is not a "good thing".

Too bad that so few people are smart enough to realize that "wide screen" and "short screen" are the same thing.
 
Plus, on my Mac, I can browse ANY site without worrying abut viruses. The PC my Dad had? Viruses. All the freaking time. He had to go through hell, fixing the computers over and over, and wasting money on new ones.

Brace yourself, the Windows apologists are going to descend on your comment and point out how inept your father must be to be incapable of avoiding malware. "Blame the user" is the standard Windows' fan defense mechanism.
 
Brace yourself, the Windows apologists are going to descend on your comment and point out how inept your father must be to be incapable of avoiding malware. "Blame the user" is the standard Windows' fan defense mechanism.

Well that is true. A vast majority of the "virus" on windows are trojans. Trojans require the USER to install them. Apple computers are just as easy to nail with a Trojan as windows since it uses user stupidity to install.

Yet I find people who practice a very basic safe surfing (not installing unknown apps) seem to have no problem with any of that. I wonder why that is....

I read crap like the guy you seem to be promoting all the time from Apple fanboys but then I ask the question what type of stuff are they doing on the net. Are they installing every pop up they see and so on.. If the answer is yes then it is just user stupidity. Virus scanners, antispyware scanners ect are worthless against the biggest security hole in ANY OS is user stupidity.
 
Apple computers are just as easy to nail with a Trojan as windows since it uses user stupidity to install.

Perhaps, but good luck finding one. I remember the publicity over a Mac OS X trojan back around February 2006. It was disguised as an image file, which prompted for the admin password. After you enter it, what happens? It fails to attack the host, yet tries to propagate through iChat.

Even logged in as admin, root privileges are not given without a password prompt at every attempt = a very good idea.

On Windows, someone can easily mask a jpeg with an exe that unleashes havoc from the moment it's double-clicked. Unlike on Mac, true worms and viruses do exist, which can self launch, replicate, transmit themselves and do serious damage.
 
Perhaps, but good luck finding one. I remember the publicity over a Mac OS X trojan back around February 2006. It was disguised as an image file, which prompted for the admin password. After you enter it, what happens? It fails to attack the host, yet tries to propagate through iChat.

Even logged in as admin, root privileges are not given without a password prompt at every attempt = a very good idea.

On Windows, someone can easily mask a jpeg with an exe that unleashes havoc from the moment it's double-clicked. Unlike on Mac, true worms and viruses do exist, which can self launch, replicate, transmit themselves and do serious damage.

In this regard, there is absolutely no difference between Windows 7 and OS X.
 
Perhaps, but good luck finding one. I remember the publicity over a Mac OS X trojan back around February 2006. It was disguised as an image file, which prompted for the admin password. After you enter it, what happens? It fails to attack the host, yet tries to propagate through iChat.

Even logged in as admin, root privileges are not given without a password prompt at every attempt = a very good idea.

On Windows, someone can easily mask a jpeg with an exe that unleashes havoc from the moment it's double-clicked. Unlike on Mac, true worms and viruses do exist, which can self launch, replicate, transmit themselves and do serious damage.

Little out dated there. That was changed in when Vista came out.

Trojans by pass everything now days by using the single largest hole in every OS. The user. It promotes for User password or permission to install and run things that need that access.

On windows 7 if you are log in as an admin it is a yes no question. if you are not an admin you need and admin User name and password to get temporary admin rights
 
Well, it's a cheap display, but this is only my home office, so I'm not that fussy.

I am actually pretty satisfied with the display. I had an old Apple one but it was getting too old. The Samsung has a built-in Freeview tuner, so I could watch TV in the background. But I don't. :)
I used to use this with my previous unibody MB (on the second picture) as that had the worst quality screen ever, so an external display was a must-buy. With the mid-2009 13" MBP, the higher resolution comes very handy.
My Macbook has a miserable display with only a few degrees of optimum viewing angle. In Forum Spy you can't tell the difference from yellow highlighted posts and white ones. If you adjust the display the top or bottom colors wash out.

I'm holding out for Sandy Bridge notebooks but the urge for a replacement is just since my current notebook is 3 years old and not the need for more power. Though it would be nice not to have to give up on my games while on vacation.

Of course they're cheap - 1080p is crap compared to 16x10 ;) .... Losing 120 pixels, especially in vertical, is not a "good thing".

Too bad that so few people are smart enough to realize that "wide screen" and "short screen" are the same thing.
It's very annoying how short 16:9 displays are. 1080p is just so plentiful and cheap.
 
Yeah, like "average" people don't "game". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Steve Jobs doesn't game so I don't game! (puts fingers in ears) La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. ;)

The point is that saying the user base doesn't "want" or "use" (like they can use it if it's not available) a given feature is a POOR EXCUSE for it being missing in the operating system. Steve's initial excuse about licensing simply isn't valid anymore and nearly 5 years after BD came out, it's starting to just look BAD that the "most advanced operating system in the world" doesn't support such a basic feature. Similarly, the "most advanced operating system in the world" has an ANCIENT (in computing terms) version of OpenGL on it. It's embarrassing for Apple to make claims that just don't make sense. How about they actually make it the most advanced OS by adding/addressing such basic deficiencies? Apple is LOADED with excess cash. They clearly have the resources to do this RIGHT so they should stop making lame excuses and simply hire the people and license the technologies needed to TRULY make that statement true. Snow Leopard was SUPPOSED to optimize, etc. so why didn't it add the latest OpenGL and optimize the video drivers and add BD support, etc.? Some of those things aren't rocket science. It's simply putting out the money to get the developers to do the work instead of focusing on *NOTHING BUT* PHONES all the darn time!

While you have some valid arguments, I feel that despite the many Rolleyes you completely missed the point :p

Who said that average people don't game? :confused: If you spend some time outside computer forums, you would probably notice that the "average family" I mentioned above, plays some Facebook games, GT4 on a PS3, or the occasional Bowling or Tennis match on a WII.

But if Soccer Mama feels the sudden desire to blow up some Aliens, she can still do so with Bootcamp. (While Joe Average can't shut down his XP-PC and boot into MAC to edit his latest holiday movies on iMovie, etc.).

Offering an optimized gaming rig hasn't probably been on Apple's priority list for some time now (Has it ever?) and therefore Gamers were not the targeted customer group with the ads. Remember I was responding and referring to the Get-a-mac campaign. ;)
 
Perhaps, but good luck finding one. I remember the publicity over a Mac OS X trojan back around February 2006. It was disguised as an image file, which prompted for the admin password. After you enter it, what happens? It fails to attack the host, yet tries to propagate through iChat.

Even logged in as admin, root privileges are not given without a password prompt at every attempt = a very good idea.

On Windows, someone can easily mask a jpeg with an exe that unleashes havoc from the moment it's double-clicked. Unlike on Mac, true worms and viruses do exist, which can self launch, replicate, transmit themselves and do serious damage.

And then somehow infect the system through Photo Viewer? :rolleyes:

You would need to get the person to open it as an EXE. How is that easy?
 
Offering an optimized gaming rig hasn't probably been on Apple's priority list for some time now (Has it ever?) and therefore Gamers were not the targeted customer group with the ads. Remember I was responding and referring to the Get-a-mac campaign. ;)
What is an optimized gaming rig?
 
On windows 7 if you are log in as an admin it is a yes no question. if you are not an admin you need and admin User name and password to get temporary admin rights

So are you saying on Win7 it is not possible for malicious code to infect the host without a user okaying it? Or are we merely talking about trojans?
 
What is an optimized gaming rig?

A computer which has a combination of hardware designed to game.

For an extreme example, think;

Core i7-980x:D

Radeon HD 5970/GTX 480 in Crossfire/SLI :D:D:D

8 GB of RAM

1 TB+ of storage.

And a smoking hole in your pocket.

In other words (on the mac side), the new Mac Pro, except with an i7 cpu and without the server features.

Which it doesn't have.
 
Then let me make sure we're talking about the same thing, because I just tried it. I have a bunch of documents on my desktop. I press the letter "C" and it highlights the first document that starts with "C". Then I press the letter "M" and it highlights "Macintosh HD" because that's the first one that starts with "M". Once a file is selected, I use the arrow keys to move the selection around from file to file.

Is that what you were trying to do? Because it definitely works here...

Yes, that's correct. If I have a dozen documents on my desktop that start with 'A' I'll press 'A' on the keyboard and it will jump to a random document that starts with 'A'. If I press 'A' again, it will jump to another one that starts with 'A'. But that's it, I can press 'A' a million times after that and it won't advance to any more documents.

This behavior is consistent on both my iMacs running SL. :confused:
 
Yes, that's correct. If I have a dozen documents on my desktop that start with 'A' I'll press 'A' on the keyboard and it will jump to a random document that starts with 'A'. If I press 'A' again, it will jump to another one that starts with 'A'. But that's it, I can press 'A' a million times after that and it won't advance to any more documents.

Weird. I get the same thing. I have about 4 screenshots. I press S, it goes to one of them, then S again, to another file that starts with S. If I press S a third time, it selects a X-edit.dmg. From that point on, pressing S does nothing. (Pressing a different letter at that point will make it change again.)

Have you sent a bug report to Apple?
 
So are you saying on Win7 it is not possible for malicious code to infect the host without a user okaying it? Or are we merely talking about trojans?
I was talking merely about trojans which control the vast majority of all infections out there.

As for the malicious code normally those things crop up as worms now days and that is something to by pass everything and has zero user involvement. That is an entire another world of hurt.

As for this top got kick up my some one saying their father has a computer completely infect I can tell you that those things trance down to normally user installing trojans which put huge holes for other code to install in something that even in OSX could in theory be done.

The basic ways to keep a computer safe is
1. Do not open and install files you are not sure of.
2. INSTALL UPDATES.

An example from the past is MSblaster. The blaster worm came out months after MS released a patch that plug the hole but so many people had failed to update it caused a lot of problems.
MS I believe changed some of their patch notes releases after it was found out people where taking those notes and finding out exactly what it fix and figured out how to attack the unpatch hole. They target non-updated computers.
The real threats are zero day ones. MS has a fairly good track record recently at jumping on Zero day and patching them. Apple has a tenancy to let them stay open for months before they FINALLY release a patch for it.
 
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